letsgosuns wrote:bwgood77 wrote:letsgosuns wrote:The package it would take to acquire a 27 year old Blake Griffin should be comparable to what it would have taken to get Amare Stoudemire when he was 27. So think Amare circa 2010. Griffin has also had a lot of injuries throughout his career although none on the magnitude of Amare's.
This was supposedly the package for Amare: The Arizona Republic is reporting that the Suns and Warriors agreed on a pre-draft deal in principle that would have sent Amare Stoudemire to GSW for Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and No. 7 pick Stephen Curry.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1611&line=116347&spln=1 Amare was going into his contract year that year. Griffin is going into his own contract year next year. Very similar situations. So I am thinking the package would be the Suns own pick, Knight, Goodwin, and Len. Just being honest about what I think it would take. I do not want to give up Len but if the Clippers are giving up arguably the best scoring power forward in the league, they will want a big man in return. That is what the Suns would have gotten with Biedrins and Wright. I really do not know if I would do that deal. Griffin's game is based around athleticism just like Amare's was. Look what happened to Amare later on in his career. Giving up a potential top-3 pick for a guy that has a lot of injury problems AND might leave after one season is an enormous risk. It just might not be worth it. It ain't like the Suns are winning the title by just adding Griffin to the team anyway because they need more than him.
Why the hell would they want Len? They have DeAndre Jordan and their window is short. They want floor spreaders. It would probably have to include someone like Telly (who they might be able to sign outright) but if we included him it couldn't be until after the 12/15 or 1/15 wait. The point is, we don't have the assets it would take to get Griffin or Love or any team wanting to compete and it's pretty unlikely those guys are going anywhere anyway.
They would want Len because they would want another big body to make up for the loss of Griffin. Len can come in and back up DeAndre. And the Suns absolutely have the assets to get a trade done for superstar. What are you talking about? Are you telling me that a package such as the Suns own pick, the Washington pick, Knight, Goodwin, Warren, and Len is not good enough to get a superstar? Bledsoe could also be added to a package. And do not forget about those two Miami Heat picks either that are top-7 protected and unprotected. Plus the Cleveland pick this year. The Suns could even do something like trade their own future draft pick top-5 protected or something.
Saying the Suns do not have the assets to get a trade done for a superstar is ridiculous. If the Suns called the Rockets and said we will trade you Bledsoe or Knight, plus our own pick, plus the Washington pick, plus Warren and Len for Harden, you think the Rockets say no? Wow. They would be getting a starting point guard, two lottery picks, a potential 20+ point scoring small forward, and a replacement starting center who should be better than Dwight Howard anyway, and the majority of this on cheap rookie contracts. How could you pass up a deal like that? The only way is if you think you have a chance to sign Durant because of Harden. But I highly doubt that happens.
Yes, that's what I'm telling you. Each situation is unique, but Cleveland and LAC are not concerned with picks. Doc Rivers doesn't care about rebuilding nor does LeBron. They want useful players NOW that help them win in the few years LeBron/Paul are in their prime. LAC might get rid of Blake, but it will be for floor spreaders and/or a really good PF that likely has range.
It's not whether your proposed deals are fair or not, but where their team is, who is in control, how many years their stars have left in their window, etc. If you've paid the least bit of attention to Houston they have done everything they can to appease Harden and at some point maybe they deal him but that time isn't even close to here. Indy has a star they are trying to build around and they may knock off the 2 seed.
The ONLY guy that I could see getting dealt to go into a rebuild is Butler, because of where their team is at, a new coach, already some decent young talent, etc, but then again, he's young himself...it would be like us trading our star (Booker?) in the first year of his second contract so we could rebuild.
The ONLY reason they may trade him is because if they think he is too outspoken and/or dislikes the coach they gave $25 million too, and don't want it to turn into a Sacramento situation, AND they can get a good return on him, maybe they do it. Though for us to get in a mix for him, it would have to start with either Booker or our pick. Of course he doesn't fill our biggest need either though, so probably not worth it unless we have the 5th pick because I'd take him over Jaylen Brown any day....but it would take more than just that pick...probably Len and the Washington pick or our own next year. So MAYBE, the 5th pick, Len, and the Washington pick or our own pick next year gets us somewhat close. Of course we'd have to send out more salary though.
You keep mentioning Knight as being a great centerpiece in a superstar trade...I thought you didn't like him all that much. Most here don't. What makes you think other teams do? Especially at his contract price right now? Maybe later IF he plays well after people are overpaid.
Since we'd need to add salary and they wouldn't want Knight, it would probably have to be Bledsoe, the 5th pick and Len, but they may now want another injury prone PG, but that would give them a decent start on a rebuild.
Bledsoe/Murray or Hield/McDermott/Portis/Len
I don't think we'd do that though. If it was Knight instead of Bledsoe maybe but I don't think McD would want to give up Len and the pick for another SG.
