Giannis' Development

Presence · Post #1201 » by **Presence** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:12 pm

1. Kidd mentioned that Giannis should work on his physical conditioning (along with his mental) to withstand the long minutes and wear-and-tear by opponents picking him up from half-court (or 3/4 of the court) now that he's bringing up the ball.

2. Kobe told Giannis to practice to the point of fatigue in the off-season to be able to withstand the accumulating minutes during the season.

3. Giannis' body is thankfully extremely well built to be less susceptible to injuries.

I like Giannis playing big minutes, the key is to be conditioned enough to not let it affect him.

Prince12 · Post #1202 » by **Prince12** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:28 pm

Well, i sort of agree that he is young and built to withstand the long minutes at his age but i am also very weary that guys his size are not supposed to put their bodies through the stress that he does and will be playing the point. Its obvious but picking up a genuine pg that is starter worthy is paramount so he wont always need to be point giannis.

Its a long season and he is still only 21. I want him to have plenty left in the tank at 26.

emunney · Post #1203 » by **emunney** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:48 pm

We need more good players in general so we can approach break even play when he's sitting.

Chapter29 · Post #1204 » by **Chapter29** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:49 pm

Point Giannis is a keeper. I don't disagree that having a PG who can take some of the pressure off of him at times makes sense, but Point Giannis should not go away.

Giannis is going to be playing big minutes for quite some time in the NBA. I don't want him leading the league in PT but he will be right up there with the superstars of this league.

For me I just want his summers to include some recuperation time and focused training. Simple as that.

Giannis could get hurt. He's built perfectly for this game but still he could get hurt. I am not going to worry or sweat it. It is the risk they all take. He could get hurt playing a pick up game, practicing or any other activity basketball or otherwise. I am not worried about it and it likely wont be Kidd's fault.

old skool · Post #1205 » by **old skool** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:32 pm

At the peak of his career, Wilt played an entire season averaging over 48 minutes a game. While he was admittedly much stronger than Giannis, it did not hurt his longevity or effectiveness.

Just because we fans don't understand the decisions made by coaches and medical staffers, does not make those decisions wrong.

It is legitimate to question minutes played, but the incessant whining about it undermines validity of the minutes issue. It seems pretty hollow to characterize the coaches and medical staff as stupid and incompetent just because we fans don't understand what they are trying to accomplish. This is not Curly, Larry and Moe and to suggest otherwise says more about the fans here than it does about the Bucks.

The Bucks coaching staff is full of successful professionals who know what it takes to compete at a high level. They have done a phenomenal job developing young talent into players who can be top 50 NBA players next season. They have those young talents poised to be considered for All-Star status if they continue to grow. Giannis seems to view Kidd as more of a catalyst in that progress than an impediment. Why should we fans disagree with Giannis?

H2tObes · Post #1206 » by **H2tObes** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:37 pm

I'm just gonna say this...who really cares? Giannis is going to be averaging 36+ minutes a night for the rest of his career, get used to it. That's what happens when you are an elite NBA player. Doesn't help we had one of the worst benches the league has seen in the last few years. Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining

Prince12 · Post #1207 » by **Prince12** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:46 pm

H2tObes wrote:I'm just gonna say this...who really cares? Giannis is going to be averaging 36+ minutes a night for the rest of his career, get used to it. That's what happens when you are an elite NBA player. Doesn't help we had one of the worst benches the league has seen in the last few years. Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining

Certainly I think a lot of it came from people wanting to bash Kidd but I absolutely see no reason why he was playing 40 minutes consistently to finish the season. Was ridiculous and detrimental to what we should have been doing.

You hope next year our bench is respectable but even with the best bench in the league I want him playing 36 a night absolutely.

Presence · Post #1208 » by **Presence** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:48 pm

I want him playing 40

old skool · Post #1209 » by **old skool** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:48 pm

The issue of off season international competition is a dicier question. The NBA allows - even encourages - international competition because it increases the popularity of the game, expands the reach of the NBA and puts money in the pockets of all concerned. The trade off for those extra dollars is that individual players will be disadvantaged in their NBA season. Players who don't compete internationally have a competitive advantage over those who do. Every team recognizes this, which is why every NBA player contract gives teams control over off season competition.

While I would prefer that Giannis use the off season to recharge his mind and body and improve his strength and basketball skills, international competition is a fact of life for NBA players. Lamenting it is pointless.

H2tObes · Post #1210 » by **H2tObes** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:51 pm

Prince12 wrote:
H2tObes wrote:I'm just gonna say this...who really cares? Giannis is going to be averaging 36+ minutes a night for the rest of his career, get used to it. That's what happens when you are an elite NBA player. Doesn't help we had one of the worst benches the league has seen in the last few years. Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining

Certainly I think a lot of it came from people wanting to bash Kidd but I absolutely see no reason why he was playing 40 minutes consistently to finish the season. Was ridiculous and detrimental to what we should have been doing.

You hope next year our bench is respectable but even with the best bench in the league I want him playing 36 a night absolutely.

While I realize for lottery purposes playing Giannis that many minutes is detrimental, I'm also not going to expect a coach to be playing for the lottery if I'm being realistic

Prince12 · Post #1211 » by **Prince12** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:07 pm

H2tObes wrote:
Prince12 wrote:
H2tObes wrote:I'm just gonna say this...who really cares? Giannis is going to be averaging 36+ minutes a night for the rest of his career, get used to it. That's what happens when you are an elite NBA player. Doesn't help we had one of the worst benches the league has seen in the last few years. Seems like complaining for the sake of complaining

Certainly I think a lot of it came from people wanting to bash Kidd but I absolutely see no reason why he was playing 40 minutes consistently to finish the season. Was ridiculous and detrimental to what we should have been doing.

You hope next year our bench is respectable but even with the best bench in the league I want him playing 36 a night absolutely.

While I realize for lottery purposes playing Giannis that many minutes is detrimental, I'm also not going to expect a coach to be playing for the lottery if I'm being realistic

True, but it's pretty easy to play him ten less minutes a night and play it as, giving the young guys minutes to see what we have. I mean at the meaningless end of the season it's tanking without tanking.
Anyway I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know I'm just glad for the sake of this board he didn't get injured. Imagine the reaction.

VooDoo7 · Post #1212 » by **VooDoo7** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:00 pm

H2tObes wrote:I'm just gonna say this...who really cares? Giannis is going to be averaging 36+ minutes a night for the rest of his career, get used to it.

Pretty sure nobody would take issue with him averaging 36-38 minutes/game. Hell, he averaged around 36 on the season, and nobody complained about that.

It's the playing big minutes on back to backs. It's us getting our asses kicked on the 1st game of the back to back, and Kidd still playing him the whole 4th knowing we have a game the following night. And then playing him big minutes then, too. Same goes with Jabari. This isn't even an injury thing. It's just stupid coaching.

And it's playing Giannis and Jabari for crazy long stretches during games with no rest. That's the issue that people have. Kidd has no clue how to manage minutes.

It's never been about the amount of minutes he averages per game. By now I would've thought everybody would've gotten that.

H2tObes · Post #1213 » by **H2tObes** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:41 pm

I mean sure, it's inefficient coaching no doubt. But I swear you make this same point every single day. Giannis plays a quarter and a half without rest sometimes, so what? He averaged 35 minutes a game and is going to be playing a lot over his career, going a quarter without rest is going to be a very normal thing for a player of his caliber. It's not that big of a deal. Find something more significant to complain about if you're going to continue to whine about Kidd every day..

VooDoo7 · Post #1214 » by **VooDoo7** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:36 pm

H2tObes wrote:I mean sure, it's inefficient coaching no doubt. But I swear you make this same point every single day. Giannis plays a quarter and a half without rest sometimes, so what? He averaged 35 minutes a game and is going to be playing a lot over his career, going a quarter without rest is going to be a very normal thing for a player of his caliber. It's not that big of a deal. Find something more significant to complain about if you're going to continue to whine about Kidd every day..

And as usual, my whole post flew right over your head. Not sure why I bother.

H2tObes · Post #1215 » by **H2tObes** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:50 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:
H2tObes wrote:I mean sure, it's inefficient coaching no doubt. But I swear you make this same point every single day. Giannis plays a quarter and a half without rest sometimes, so what? He averaged 35 minutes a game and is going to be playing a lot over his career, going a quarter without rest is going to be a very normal thing for a player of his caliber. It's not that big of a deal. Find something more significant to complain about if you're going to continue to whine about Kidd every day..

And as usual, my whole post flew right over your head. Not sure why I bother.

Nothing has flown over my head. You have made the same post 50 times in the past few months, I get it. I'm not sure why you bother either, your hatred for Kidd isn't very healthy

VooDoo7 · Post #1216 » by **VooDoo7** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:58 pm

H2tObes wrote:your hatred for Kidd isn't very healthy

I'll be the first to admit that. I even admit I bitch too often about him. But I just can't help it sometimes.

I didn't like him before we hired him. He's a weasel POS. Oh, and he beat his wife. Yeah, not sure why someone would hate the guy.

And following game threads all year, it was interesting to see how many people here went from pro-Kidd to anti-Kidd. Why do you suppose that is?

drew881 · Post #1217 » by **drew881** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:21 am

M-C-G wrote:
Nightfall wrote:NBA Countdown made a Top-10 for Giannis

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P2I51ogP2U[/youtube]

That is some hard work widdling the list down to 10.

Number 5 still gets me pumped up, even though it was exhibition game. I just love his reaction

To get in the top 10 it is almost like the clip requires a defensive play and an offensive play. So many of his highlights are him blocking a shot at one end and dunking it at the other.

VooDoo7 · Post #1218 » by **VooDoo7** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:28 am

Watching clips from last season, it makes me realize just how much better our unis are now. Man, those red/greens were terrible.

M-C-G · Post #1219 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:33 am

VooDoo7 wrote:
H2tObes wrote:your hatred for Kidd isn't very healthy

I'll be the first to admit that. I even admit I bitch too often about him. But I just can't help it sometimes.

I didn't like him before we hired him. He's a weasel POS. Oh, and he beat his wife. Yeah, not sure why someone would hate the guy.

And following game threads all year, it was interesting to see how many people here went from pro-Kidd to anti-Kidd. Why do you suppose that is?

I am really hot and cold on Kidd...I don't like the schemes, I HATE the GMing, personality is off putting to say the least, BUT I can't deny the players that have developed under his staff and the core that has emerged. I can't overlook we went from a terrible defense and with mostly the same guys last year as the year before, turned it into a top defense. But then I can't overlook we give up more threes than just about anyone, and take less than anyone.

Part of me thinks, he is actually being patient with the rebuild and development plan for these guys. IF that is actually the case, that he has somehow been more patient than me with the rebuild, I don't know what to think, but then he does inexplicable crap like Vasquez and play guys 40 minutes to beat the Sixers in a meaningless game.

Get rid of the GMing, and he may actually be an effective coach if we just add a bench around what we have. But I have no problem if Prunty was named head coach tomorrow, in fact, I'd much prefer it, except that would probably mean Kidd moved into a POBO role, which I expect, but despise.

H2tObes · Post #1220 » by **H2tObes** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:48 am

M-C-G wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:
H2tObes wrote:your hatred for Kidd isn't very healthy

I'll be the first to admit that. I even admit I bitch too often about him. But I just can't help it sometimes.

I didn't like him before we hired him. He's a weasel POS. Oh, and he beat his wife. Yeah, not sure why someone would hate the guy.

And following game threads all year, it was interesting to see how many people here went from pro-Kidd to anti-Kidd. Why do you suppose that is?

I am really hot and cold on Kidd...I don't like the schemes, I HATE the GMing, personality is off putting to say the least, BUT I can't deny the players that have developed under his staff and the core that has emerged. I can't overlook we went from a terrible defense and with mostly the same guys last year as the year before, turned it into a top defense. But then I can't overlook we give up more threes than just about anyone, and take less than anyone.

Part of me thinks, he is actually being patient with the rebuild and development plan for these guys. IF that is actually the case, that he has somehow been more patient than me with the rebuild, I don't know what to think, but then he does inexplicable crap like Vasquez and play guys 40 minutes to beat the Sixers in a meaningless game.

Get rid of the GMing, and he may actually be an effective coach if we just add a bench around what we have. But I have no problem if Prunty was named head coach tomorrow, in fact, I'd much prefer it, except that would probably mean Kidd moved into a POBO role, which I expect, but despise.

I agree with this, Kidd has shown enough for me to be fine with him as a coach up until now, he isn't perfect, but no coach will be perfect in the eyes of a message board. I think he can possibly be an asset as a coach for us, and you can make the argument that he already has been an asset for us as a coach. There is reason to believe he has had a decent sized role in the development of our big 3. It's the GM'ing that should put people off, that's why I would be fine with him being gone tomorrow. I don't think he will be okay with taking a backseat in GM decisions, and if that's the case then he can pack his bags. Sadly I don't have an trust in our actual GM to make any better decisions