Rookie Discussion Thread

[yitur]

Some people are really overlooking what an full saeson grind as a start, does to a rookie.

People who fallow the Knicks, remember how Porzingis looked his first two month.

That was a different Porzingis, to the one we saw in the second half of the saeson.

Yeah, Booker and Jokic are great, but you can't compere them to Porzingis.

And I know they both would challenge KAT for ROTY, if they played starter minutes from the beginning of a season.

I'm a mere bystander but I really think that Booker has Ray Allen prime's potential (24+4+4 with good fg%).
If Porzingis can do better than this ok, but I'm pretty skeptical...

Well Porzingis has 20-10 potential with much, muuuch better defense so you choose; a scorer and a spacer at the 2 or a defender, scorer and spacer at the 5.

[Duke4life831]

Winslow has been absolutely horrible on offense the last two games. That jumper has regressed. His form has gotten worse and worse throughout the year

[Marcus]

Winslow has been absolutely horrible on offense the last two games. That jumper has regressed. His form has gotten worse and worse throughout the year

needs to hire Josh Richardson as his shooting coach

[Duke4life831]

Winslow has been absolutely horrible on offense the last two games. That jumper has regressed. His form has gotten worse and worse throughout the year

needs to hire Josh Richardson as his shooting coach

Im not sold on Richardson's shot yet. Hes been on fire the last two months, just dont know if its legit yet.

[Riko]

I'm a mere bystander but I really think that Booker has Ray Allen prime's potential (24+4+4 with good fg%).
If Porzingis can do better than this ok, but I'm pretty skeptical...

Well Porzingis has 20-10 potential with much, muuuch better defense so you choose; a scorer and a spacer at the 2 or a defender, scorer and spacer at the 5.

The problem with Porzingis is that you choose a 5 who need to bulk up and can crack under the weight.
So, for the moment, I choose the scorer at the 2 who spread the floor.

[BCbudraptorfan]

i like this justin anderson guy hes chippy as ****, talks lots of **** on court and has game to back it up

[Marcus]

Winslow has been absolutely horrible on offense the last two games. That jumper has regressed. His form has gotten worse and worse throughout the year

needs to hire Josh Richardson as his shooting coach

Im not sold on Richardson's shot yet. Hes been on fire the last two months, just dont know if its legit yet.

yeah we had that conversation I was just joking.

[Duke4life831]

i like this justin anderson guy hes chippy as ****, talks lots of **** on court and has game to back it up

The dude is really good. Good strong defender with great athleticism and give him a few years and his shot is going to improve. I think of him as Jae Crowder on steroids

[jcsunsfan]

I love Booker, Knicks fans love KP, Denver likes Jokic. We are all jus arguing about second place anyway.

Hats off to the big KAT and an absolutely amazing rookie year--so much so that we hardly even talk about him because there is no doubt who the best rookie is.

I am not saying anything profound I know. Just giving props.


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[Klomp]

I love Booker, Knicks fans love KP, Denver likes Jokic. We are all jus arguing about second place anyway.

As long as everyone knows his place......

[Qwigglez]

I love Booker, Knicks fans love KP, Denver likes Jokic. We are all jus arguing about second place anyway.

As long as everyone knows his place......

You won't win rookie of the year next year though...

[dalton749]

I love Booker, Knicks fans love KP, Denver likes Jokic. We are all jus arguing about second place anyway.

As long as everyone knows his place......

Which is Norman Powell. Duh

[HeartBreakKid]

Some people are really overlooking what an full saeson grind as a start, does to a rookie.

People who fallow the Knicks, remember how Porzingis looked his first two month.

That was a different Porzingis, to the one we saw in the second half of the saeson.

Yeah, Booker and Jokic are great, but you can't compere them to Porzingis.

And I know they both would challenge KAT for ROTY, if they played starter minutes from the beginning of a season.

I'm a mere bystander but I really think that Booker has Ray Allen prime's potential (24+4+4 with good fg%).
If Porzingis can do better than this ok, but I'm pretty skeptical...

Porzingis is a 7'3 power forward who can shoot, rebound, drive, be coached and can already anchor a defense - of course he has the potential to be better than prime Ray Allen...

[Riko]

Some people are really overlooking what an full saeson grind as a start, does to a rookie.

People who fallow the Knicks, remember how Porzingis looked his first two month.

That was a different Porzingis, to the one we saw in the second half of the saeson.

Yeah, Booker and Jokic are great, but you can't compere them to Porzingis.

And I know they both would challenge KAT for ROTY, if they played starter minutes from the beginning of a season.

I'm a mere bystander but I really think that Booker has Ray Allen prime's potential (24+4+4 with good fg%).
If Porzingis can do better than this ok, but I'm pretty skeptical...

Porzingis is a 7'3 power forward who can shoot, rebound, drive, be coached and can already anchor a defense - of course he has the potential to be better than prime Ray Allen...

Yeah, if he don't crack. Big if IMHO.
Porzingis potential is insane but I'm not sure he can reach it (to be fair, I'm quite sure that NBA's trainer will ruin him).

[Side beard]

I'm a mere bystander but I really think that Booker has Ray Allen prime's potential (24+4+4 with good fg%).
If Porzingis can do better than this ok, but I'm pretty skeptical...

Porzingis is a 7'3 power forward who can shoot, rebound, drive, be coached and can already anchor a defense - of course he has the potential to be better than prime Ray Allen...

Yeah, if he don't crack. Big if IMHO.
Porzingis potential is insane but I'm not sure he can reach it (to be fair, I'm quite sure that NBA's trainer will ruin him).

You crazy.
He has 2 brothers, who also have played basketball at professional level. They know about Kristaps potential and possibilities more than any.

[saintEscaton]

Booker achieved some scoring milestones that puts him in historic company, but its too early to extrapolate a career trajectory of a HOFer even if you disregard metrics and are judging off the eye test. Not saying he will be another Tyreke Evans flash in the pan either. I see a rich man's Beal/SG version of Hayward who can be a secondary playmaker and make it rain from deep. His effort is there on D and he has the lateral agility to stay in front of his man, but has poor off the ball rotational awareness and subpar length for a wing and has trouble fighting over the top of screens. He just has to improve enough on the other end so that he gets more than he gives up

[CoreyGallagher]

Porzingis is a 7'3 power forward who can shoot, rebound, drive, be coached and can already anchor a defense - of course he has the potential to be better than prime Ray Allen...

KP has extraordinary potential, but some of what you listed I wouldn't consider strengths of his.
Rebounding - he had a good stint of rebounding to begin the season, however after about 2 weeks, his rebounding was comparable to Okafor's which was not good. In fact they had the same amount of rebounds per game (7.2) and the same rebounding percentage (13.6) since November 9th (the season began October 28th).
Driving - Porzingis had the lowest PPS on drives on the Knicks and on the lower end of the spectrum league-wide at 0.98 pps (per nbawowy), coupled with having a lower fg% inside of 10 feet, 49.1% (ranking 230 of 275 qualified), I wouldn't consider that either.

[HeartBreakKid]

Porzingis is a 7'3 power forward who can shoot, rebound, drive, be coached and can already anchor a defense - of course he has the potential to be better than prime Ray Allen...

KP has extraordinary potential, but some of what you listed I wouldn't consider strengths of his.
Rebounding - he had a good stint of rebounding to begin the season, however after about 2 weeks, his rebounding was comparable to Okafor's which was not good. In fact they had the same amount of rebounds per game (7.2) and the same rebounding percentage (13.6) since November 9th (the season began October 28th).
Driving - Porzingis had the lowest PPS on drives on the Knicks and on the lower end of the spectrum league-wide at 0.98 pps (per nbawowy), coupled with having a lower fg% inside of 10 feet, 49.1% (ranking 230 of 275 qualified), I wouldn't consider that either.

These are skill sets, young players are about projections not production.

7 rebounds per game is not bad, and Porzingis is a forward not a center like Okafor, they have different standards.

Porzingis can handle, dunk and he is tenacious, along with a pump fake you can see that he has a lot of drive potential.

[CoreyGallagher]

These are skill sets, young players are about projections not production.

Porzingis can handle, dunk and he is tenacious, along with a pump fake you can see that he has a lot of drive potential.

Projections should have some basis imo. Is it a possibility these become strengths? Sure, he has the tools, but I wouldn't list them in his wheelhouse just yet.

7 rebounds per game is not bad, and Porzingis is a forward not a center like Okafor, they have different standards.

It's not bad, however I wouldn't consider it a strength or something he does well. I used Okafor as an example due to perception. Positionally, could argue Okafor playing alongside of Noel, another Center for all intents and purposes, affected that.

Without Noel - Okafor 13.5 rebounds per 100 possessions. With Noel - 10.1. +3.4 w/o Noel.
(Porzingis without Lopez - 12.1 rebounds per 100 possessions. With Lopez 13.9. -1.8 w/o Lopez)

Also, consider Centers usually have the lowest 'free' rebound percentage in the league (51% to 57.8%) because they tend to be scrumming or boxing out (something Lopez is known for). Demonstratively, Porzingis had a 57.5% free rebounding percentage (Lopez 43.3), Okafor 50.5% (Noel 54.3).

[HeartBreakKid]

These are skill sets, young players are about projections not production.

Porzingis can handle, dunk and he is tenacious, along with a pump fake you can see that he has a lot of drive potential.

Projections should have some basis imo. Is it a possibility these become strengths? Sure, he has the tools, but I wouldn't list them in his wheelhouse just yet.

7 rebounds per game is not bad, and Porzingis is a forward not a center like Okafor, they have different standards.

It's not bad, however I wouldn't consider it a strength or something he does well. I used Okafor as an example due to perception. Positionally, could argue Okafor playing alongside of Noel, another Center for all intents and purposes, affected that.

Without Noel - Okafor 13.5 rebounds per 100 possessions. With Noel - 10.1. +3.4 w/o Noel.
(Porzingis without Lopez - 12.1 rebounds per 100 possessions. With Lopez 13.9. -1.8 w/o Lopez)

Also, consider Centers usually have the lowest 'free' rebound percentage in the league (51% to 57.8%) because they tend to be scrumming or boxing out (something Lopez is known for). Demonstratively, Porzingis had a 57.5% free rebounding percentage (Lopez 43.3), Okafor 50.5% (Noel 54.3).

At best all this is saying is that Okafor is a better rebounder than Porzingis if you take into account the other big they're playing with. Okafor isn't a bad rebounder, nor is it even near any of his biggest weaknesses, so I'm not really sure how debating that Okafor is a superior rebounder to Porzingis is all that relevant. I did not argue that Porzingis was going to be the next Andre Drummond, I just said that he projects to be a rebounder, and I don't see any stats that really infer otherwise. I mean Porzingis is a plus rebounder on an average rebounding team, it's not even an easy comparison given how bad the Sixers are as a team as well as on glass.

I mean if we were to compare him to someone like Dirk as a mismatch PF, he pretty much kills 20 year old Dirk on glass and Dirk grew to be a good rebounder. Porzingis has shown potential to be a good offensive rebounder, and at the very least an average defensive rebounder, I don't really see how it is incorrect to say that prime Porzingis can probably rebound.

To say that there is no basis for that is a little strong.

Also, is your source from NBA.com?