Draft Thread Part 2

[Mulhollanddrive]

I personally don't get the obsession with drafting a PF.

The same obsession led to Frank Kaminsky mania for 3 months from this time last year.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

My mock, as of today:

1. Philadelphia - B. ingram
2. LA Lakers - B. Simmons
3. Boston - J. Murray
4. Phoenix - H. Ellenson
5. Minnesota - K. Dunn
6. New Orleans - B. Hield
7. Denver - D. Bender
8. Sacramento - J. Brown
9. Toronto - M. Chriss
10. Milwaukee - J. Poeltl
11. Orlando - D. Davis
12. Utah - D. Valentine
13. Phoenix - T. Ulis
14. Chicago - M. Beasley
15. Denver - F. Korkmaz
16. Boston - S. Labissiere
17. Memphis - D. Sabonis
18. Denver - D. Murray
19. Detroit - D. Jackson
20. Indiana - T. Prince
21. Philadelphia - T. Luwawu
22. Boston - A. Zizic
23. Atlanta - B. Johnson
24. Charlotte - D. Jones
25. LA Clippers - D. Stone
26. Philadelphia - A. Barber
27. Toronto - A. Hammons
28. Phoenix - C. Onuaku
29. San Antonio - W. Baldwin
30. Golden State - S. Zimmerman

[Waylay13]

I personally don't get the obsession with drafting a PF.

The same obsession led to Frank Kaminsky mania for 3 months from this time last year.

Could it be because the Suns dont have a PF and this draft is rich is PFs?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I personally don't get the obsession with drafting a PF.

The same obsession led to Frank Kaminsky mania for 3 months from this time last year.

I eventually came to the conclusion that while Murray is BPA after Simmons/Ingram, Ellenson isn't very far behind - if at all. So things just fell into place.

[Mulhollanddrive]

My personal clear top 4 is:

1. Simmons
2. Hield
3. Murray
4. Ingram

I am pretty hopeless at assessing draft talent, though so are most of the professionals.

[Waylay13]

My personal clear top 4 is:

1. Simmons
2. Hield
3. Murray
4. Ingram

I am pretty hopeless at assessing draft talent, though so are most of the professionals.

For me it is top 2 in Simmons and Ingram and then there isnt much difference long term on anyone till about 15 and it drops even more after that. I look at team style of play, where they want to go in direction and finally their needs. Once you do that you can try to see how a play would fit in on the team. If you have a running team and a player is extremely slow they wont fit in with that team or will likely get less playing time. If you want your team to become a better defensive team you want to look at players who are known to be defensive players. The BPA for a team like the Griz is not always going to be the BPA for the Suns unless you are talking superstar player and clearly none here except Simmons and Ingram are close to being that level of player.

[bwgood77]

If Murray is that good, then we'll naturally move Bogdan and Knight to give him minutes.

If Murray is that good, then we won't be the only team that thinks so, and we'll smartly field terrific offers for the pick.

...

That said, I'm now fully on board the Draft Ellenson bandwagon. If we're not 1 or 2, just pick Ellenson. I change my mind a lot, but I've made up my mind on this one. He just makes too much damn sense for us. And I said that the SG was the most coveted position in the league - aside from the stretch 4/5. Well, that's Ellenson. He won't ever slide over to 4, and he's not going to guard the perimeter, but he's a bully inside with long arms, handle and the ability to hit the 3. He's a helluva lot like Kevin Love, only bigger. That's my pick.

I haven't watched him play, but he's been sitting around 5th on Chad Ford's mock all year. It seems the buzz has cooled on him though, and people, particularly fans, are never excited about drafting big white guys. I remember the year Mayo and Love got traded on draft night, TWolves fans were pissed that they had traded Mayo. Between Murray and Ellenson, maybe it's somewhat the same thing.

[bwgood77]

I personally don't get the obsession with drafting a PF.

The same obsession led to Frank Kaminsky mania for 3 months from this time last year.

Kaminsky seems to take a lot of hate, but the dude has started and played between 25 and 35 minutes for Charlotte in their last three playoff games where they've beat Miami. He's not racking up great stats, but he's a rookie starter on a pretty competitive playoff team. They are playing him and Marvin Williams, who are both stretching the floor as bigs with Jefferson in the middle and playing very well.

[saintEscaton]

My write up of my least favorite prospect: Ellenson has clean mechanics, a quick point and follow through but he is only effective facing up midrange at the elbows and isn't much of a pick n' pop threat, he thinks he's better than he actually is. Has questionable shot selections and he'll settle for low percentage attempts, doesn't really play to his strengths or have a feel for the game. He can only drain treys from the corner, bricks everything from the middle, left or right (less than 30% on a significant volume . Most concerning is his lack of intangibles and lateral mobility. He is unable to hedge the screener or switch onto guards in the PnR, no way he has the straightline footspeed to a stick with and close out perimeter oriented Stretch 4s. He will have to transition to center if he wants to cut it, but he offers virtually no rim protection and isn't an interior enforcer who can body up traditional bigs, he just puts his hands up and relies on his verticality to contest . I don't see him being as dominant on the boards at the next level because he doesn't have the hops to win jump balls. He is like a homeless man's KLove without the outlet passing

[saintEscaton]

Also you gotta be outta your mind if you’re taking Hield over Ingram who is on another level as a just turned 18 freshman.Come on Mullholland he's your Kaminsky. Hield took an astronomical leap his senior year , I’m having a hard time buying whether it is sustainable and not just a flukey aberration. There’s a reason why one and doners don’t stay in school. Give any promising underclassmen the same opportunity and they will be just as prolific with a more steady trajectory of progression.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Ingram shot like 39% in the last 2 months to overtake Simmons into no.1 on draft boards.

I find that as ridiculous as anything else.

[No-Man]

The problem is if you stay at 4 and like it should Ingram, Simmons and Bender are gone, because then 4th as similar value to 10th for me.
I think I'd go likely go with Chriss, but it is a harsh pick to make.

[ATTL]

I'd probably trade down to mid lotto for another pick this year or next or another asset if we end up 4th.

[No-Man]

I'd probably trade down to mid lotto for another pick this year or next or another asset if we end up 4th.

not easy to do, not many teams are going to try to trade up, like 4th is the worst pick in this draft by far.

I'd be torn between Luwawu and Chriss, on one hand Luwawu is the better player, defender and shooter as of now, he gives you more versatility and adapts better to your current roster, especially if you see Warren as a potential PF, like you should.
But Chriss has the higher ceiling and fit or not with TJ shouldnt be that important.

I think I'd go Chriss at 4#.

12 is a bit more difficult, I think Korkmaz if he is there would be my call.
28 and 34 are more of longshots for now, so I would wait and see who is fully in.

[kennydorglas]

If we stay in the 4th, I'd trade this pick for a future one.
4th-5th in this draft is the worst position possible, because any 'reach' will be a freak show in the media
and we'd probably have to pick Jaylen ****' Brown to stay 'true' with the consensus pick

If we draft Dunn, another YOLO in the media blablablablablabla

We'd need some luck to see Bender slipping at 4 to give me any hope (not a great one) to land a great prospect.
In the other picks, swing hard on euros with high ceiling... we dont need any safe pick anymore.

[RationalGaze]

If we stay in the 4th, I'd trade this pick for a future one.
4th-5th in this draft is the worst position possible, because any 'reach' will be a freak show in the media
and we'd probably have to pick Jaylen ****' Brown to stay 'true' with the consensus pick

If we draft Dunn, another YOLO in the media blablablablablabla

We'd need some luck to see Bender slipping at 4 to give me any hope (not a great one) to land a great prospect.
In the other picks, swing hard on euros with high ceiling... we dont need any safe pick anymore.

Not really. The consensus is who do you take after the 3rd pick. Take Timothe or Marquese. Either guy won't be there with the 13th pick and that'll be fine. Holding the 4th and 5th pick will be holding the shooting guards so picks 6-8 might want to trade up to get their guy.

[jcsunsfan]

I personally don't get the obsession with drafting a PF.

The same obsession led to Frank Kaminsky mania for 3 months from this time last year.

I eventually came to the conclusion that while Murray is BPA after Simmons/Ingram, Ellenson isn't very far behind - if at all. So things just fell into place.

If players are close, choose the one that meets the need. That said, Ellenson just doesn't impress me. He is slow footed, heavy legged, I don't know how to describe it.

[Weemsickew14]

So many great prospects later in the draft. Would love to see us take someone like Brogdon or Bembry with our later picks.

[gaspar]

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No Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Dunn, Korkmaz and Luwawu.

[MrMiyagi]

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No Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Dunn, Korkmaz and Luwawu.

Are those the people invited or the people who have agreed to participate?

Also, keep an eye out for who won't participate in group work outs.