Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[Xatticus]

I think Butler would be a great addition to the team, but I think that if the Bulls are going to be trading anyone, it's going to be Rose. If they trade Butler and Rose bolts, all they're left with is whomever they acquire. If that's Vuc, then they're left to rebuild around Vuc. I don't think any team is in a rush to do that right now.

If they trade Rose and manage to get a player locked into a longer deal, they could at least have a Butler/[x] core to work with.

I similarly think DMC isn't on the block this summer, especially with Sac showing how much they're willing to sacrifice to keep him happy.

Most likely big name trade candidates in my mind are Griffin and Love.

Possible names could be Marc Gasol (if Conley bolts and the Griz don't see room to retool on the fly), Dragic, Bledsoe/Knight (one of them), Millsap (if the Hawks rebuild). Utah might look to move some of their core, with Hayward, Gobert and Burke up for extension next summer and Exum the following summer.

Any other possible names?

Drose salary is impossible to move right now imo.

They can't move Rose. Nobody will take him. It's a really interesting situation. Butler can't seem to coexist with Rose, and supposedly he has clashed with Hoiberg and management as well. He is a player that really shouldn't be available, but there are legitimate reasons to think this smoke might lead to something. After a very disappointing season, a lot of people are expecting them to blow things up.

[Orlwillbeback]

I used to be on the Conley train but given the miles he already has on his body and the salary he would command in an open market plus his recent injury history, I'm not sure anymore.

I'm thinking something more along the lines of Deron Williams for half the price and years might be smarter.

I don't know if Williams is type of player RH is looking for. He's definitely not a leader or team locker room chemistry guy; there's plenty of evidence of that from his time in Brooklyn and Utah. He also wouldn't be the type of player acquisition that lured one of the better centers like Horford out of Atlanta.

If the Magic are going to trade some of their better assets for Butler, they aren't going to half step it in free agency and decide its time to penny pinch for no reason. They have the cap room and have to spend it to at least reach the floor - what would they be saving money for?

Do we need deron to be a leader of this team? That is not what I'm suggesting. Williams is still a productive player and can thrive in a role where he is the 4th or 5th guy, not the number one option like he was in Brooklyn.

I'm not privy if hennigan's is consigned to only signing these types of guys you are suggesting but the recent trade for Jennings has to upend that argument doesn't it?

[Bensational]

I think Butler would be a great addition to the team, but I think that if the Bulls are going to be trading anyone, it's going to be Rose. If they trade Butler and Rose bolts, all they're left with is whomever they acquire. If that's Vuc, then they're left to rebuild around Vuc. I don't think any team is in a rush to do that right now.

If they trade Rose and manage to get a player locked into a longer deal, they could at least have a Butler/[x] core to work with.

I similarly think DMC isn't on the block this summer, especially with Sac showing how much they're willing to sacrifice to keep him happy.

Most likely big name trade candidates in my mind are Griffin and Love.

Possible names could be Marc Gasol (if Conley bolts and the Griz don't see room to retool on the fly), Dragic, Bledsoe/Knight (one of them), Millsap (if the Hawks rebuild). Utah might look to move some of their core, with Hayward, Gobert and Burke up for extension next summer and Exum the following summer.

Any other possible names?

Drose salary is impossible to move right now imo.

There's bound to be a team that's desperate enough to take a punt on it. They may not get full value back, but it would be better than losing him for nothing.

New Orleans, Sacramento, Brooklyn. Someone will have a management team feeling the pinch to make a big change. His impending FA status might even be a bonus to some, as it could be a chance to open up big cap space for the 2017 FA season.

[Orlwillbeback]

I think Butler would be a great addition to the team, but I think that if the Bulls are going to be trading anyone, it's going to be Rose. If they trade Butler and Rose bolts, all they're left with is whomever they acquire. If that's Vuc, then they're left to rebuild around Vuc. I don't think any team is in a rush to do that right now.

If they trade Rose and manage to get a player locked into a longer deal, they could at least have a Butler/[x] core to work with.

I similarly think DMC isn't on the block this summer, especially with Sac showing how much they're willing to sacrifice to keep him happy.

Most likely big name trade candidates in my mind are Griffin and Love.

Possible names could be Marc Gasol (if Conley bolts and the Griz don't see room to retool on the fly), Dragic, Bledsoe/Knight (one of them), Millsap (if the Hawks rebuild). Utah might look to move some of their core, with Hayward, Gobert and Burke up for extension next summer and Exum the following summer.

Any other possible names?

Drose salary is impossible to move right now imo.

There's bound to be a team that's desperate enough to take a punt on it. They may not get full value back, but it would be better than losing him for nothing.

New Orleans, Sacramento, Brooklyn. Someone will have a management team feeling the pinch to make a big change. His impending FA status might even be a bonus to some, as it could be a chance to open up big cap space for the 2017 FA season.

That's what they said about deron Williams too but they ended up buying him out. 21 million is just such a mammoth number.
Rose is done and will be relegated to signing for close to the league minimum imo.

[KillMonger]

Went on hoop rumors and read that we might be going after Evan Turner? What would that mean for fournier?

[ezzzp]

I used to be on the Conley train but given the miles he already has on his body and the salary he would command in an open market plus his recent injury history, I'm not sure anymore.

I'm thinking something more along the lines of Deron Williams for half the price and years might be smarter.

I don't know if Williams is type of player RH is looking for. He's definitely not a leader or team locker room chemistry guy; there's plenty of evidence of that from his time in Brooklyn and Utah. He also wouldn't be the type of player acquisition that lured one of the better centers like Horford out of Atlanta.

If the Magic are going to trade some of their better assets for Butler, they aren't going to half step it in free agency and decide its time to penny pinch for no reason. They have the cap room and have to spend it to at least reach the floor - what would they be saving money for?

Do we need deron to be a leader of this team? That is not what I'm suggesting. Williams is still a productive player and can thrive in a role where he is the 4th or 5th guy, not the number one option like he was in Brooklyn.

I'm not privy if hennigan's is consigned to only signing these types of guys you are suggesting but the recent trade for Jennings has to upend that argument doesn't it?

I do think he does, RH is looking for veteran leadership - he's said it several times when asked about free agency.

Jennings was an expiring contract - that is all. He wasn't brought in to be the team captain for the remaining 25 games.

Williams would be fine, but he's not ousting EP from the starting lineup or making the Magic an attractive destination. He'd be the fall back plan to the fall back plan in my opinion.

[ezzzp]

Went on hoop rumors and read that we might be going after Evan Turner? What would that mean for fournier?

You have link? I don't see anything on Hoops Rumors

[Bensational]

Drose salary is impossible to move right now imo.

There's bound to be a team that's desperate enough to take a punt on it. They may not get full value back, but it would be better than losing him for nothing.

New Orleans, Sacramento, Brooklyn. Someone will have a management team feeling the pinch to make a big change. His impending FA status might even be a bonus to some, as it could be a chance to open up big cap space for the 2017 FA season.

That's what they said about deron Williams too but they ended up buying him out. 21 million is just such a mammoth number.
Rose is done and will be relegated to signing for close to the league minimum imo.

Fair call. Did Deron only have 1 year left as well?

The one factor which might make a difference is the new cap room every team will have.

I agree that Rose is done. Which is why I struggle with the idea that Chicago would trade Butler instead of him. But front offices have done stupid stuff before so you very well could be right.

[SOUL]

I think Rose has more left in the tank than Deron. However, I don't think either are starting caliber PG type anymore.

[Orlwillbeback]

Turner would be a fantastic get but I think he'll be more expensive than we think.

[Incognito76]

This forum will get depressing this summer when people realize Fournier will be biggest FA we will sign. People want playoffs now, but say no to Dwight. And keep coming up with ideas of Durant....

[IllMagic04]

Oh and imp we should try to trade Vuc for butler.

I think Butler is more than a marginal improvement over Oladipo but I think it would be even better if we had both of them and started them at the 2 and 3.

Sign Deron Williams for 3/24

Deron
Dipo
Butler
Gordon
Dedmon

Might have to try to upgrade at the center, but I honestly think ded could hold it down.

Vuc for Butler will not get it done. You will have to trade more. Jimmy Butler is a 2 time all star.

Fine.

Throw in Payton or hezonja or something. Whatever.

Any lineup that results in us starting Gordon Dipo and butler is worth it imo.

I agree. But Im pretty sure we wouldn't move Mario though. I personally would do it in a heartbeat. EP would be harder to part with but Id definitely do that too.

[Patrick1978]

If we could make a trade for will barton or tj warren.
These guys have great scoring abilities.
And we need a scorer

[ezzzp]

This forum will get depressing this summer when people realize Fournier will be biggest FA we will sign. People want playoffs now, but say no to Dwight. And keep coming up with ideas of Durant....

People don't just want playoffs - that can be easily bought by sacrificing all the core...what they want is playoffs with the capacity to stay there for many years ...Dwight Howard doesn't even guarantee you playoffs for 1 year, much less longterm

Btw, having a defeatist attitude doesn't exempt you from being down if nothing happens this summer, it just widens the time frame of negativity.

[ezzzp]

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[KillMonger]

Went on hoop rumors and read that we might be going after Evan Turner? What would that mean for fournier?

You have link? I don't see anything on Hoops Rumors

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/04/evan-turner-tentatively-eyes-celtics-return.html

Its somewhere in there but it comes off as more of an observation rather than something he heard

[SOUL]

Turner would drive me nuts. I feel it.

[ezzzp]

Went on hoop rumors and read that we might be going after Evan Turner? What would that mean for fournier?

You have link? I don't see anything on Hoops Rumors

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/04/evan-turner-tentatively-eyes-celtics-return.html

Its somewhere in there but it comes off as more of an observation rather than something he heard

Thanks! here are the quotes:

A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com points to the fondness the Knicks have for the former No. 2 overall pick and suggests the Magic will come after Turner, too. Orlando has no shortage of cap space, with enough for two maximum-salary free agents, and while it shouldn’t take the max to secure Turner, he appears poised for a raise on his salary of less than $3.426MM for this season.
Hoops Rumors

Several teams will come hard after Turner, among them being the New York Knicks and the Orlando Magic who are desperate to add talented, proven veterans to their young rosters.
A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE

I think the level of talent the Magic are "desperate" for is substantially higher than Turner.

Turner is a horrific shooter (24% from 3pt range and 46% eFG) so unless Rob Hennigan is trying to assemble the worse shooting team in the NBA, I don't see why in the world the Magic would be interested.

[fendilim]

Who is this Chad Evans guy?

[Mrrags009]

What would you offer Jordan Clarkson in case we struck out with other free agents