The Trade-Mill - Trade Thread Part Infinity

[lon3lytoaster]

Report: Celtics believe they’ll get meeting with Kevin Durant


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/celtics--offseason-plan-to-include-a-run-at-kevin-durant-143324787.html

Ainge will be aggressive in free agency, team sources told The Vertical, and yes, that means a run at Kevin Durant. The Celtics believe Durant will meet with them this summer, but they know that meeting won’t accomplish much unless there are significant moves leading into it. Durant will be 28 in September, and the former MVP isn’t interested in hearing what a team could someday become. He wants to win now, which is why Golden State and San Antonio expect to be appealing, why Oklahoma City is still very much in play. Boston needs a deal for Jimmy Butler, a commitment from Al Horford, a carrot to dangle in front of Durant to persuade him that relocating east is the smart play.

The Bulls are a hard read right now. They seemed to throw Butler under the bus after their season ended. He's never played well with Rose and he's clashing with Hoiberg. But do they have incentive to trade him? They just re upped him long term. What's it take to pry him away? Probably starts with the BKN pick and Crowder, I'd imagine. I wouldn't necessarily mind dealing Jae if it meant Durant though.

[Afam]

Jimmy Butler for Crowder, 2016 Brooklyn pick is fair deal for both sides. Anything else is overpay . Mostly importantly the Celtics wouldn't be getting only Jimmy Butler. Trading for Butler is to use him to convince Kevin Durang to sign with the Celtics. That to me is worth doing the trade .

[CelticsPride18]

Jimmy Butler for Crowder, 2016 Brooklyn pick is fair deal for both sides. Anything else is overpay . Mostly importantly the Celtics wouldn't be getting only Jimmy Butler. Trading for Butler is to use him to convince Kevin Durang to sign with the Celtics. That to me is worth doing the trade .

It depeends if the pick is 3rd or higher you do the trade but if the pick is 1 or 2 keep Crowder out of the deal offer more picks.

[BfB]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

[165bows]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

What would be the lineup in that case? Butler at three or Bradley to the bench? Or would he have to go in another move?

[BfB]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

What would be the lineup in that case? Butler at three or Bradley to the bench? Or would he have to go in another move?

Butler starts at SG, no doubt.

BOS will have to get more shooting into their starting 5 - I suspect KD would be playing the 4 if they got him - Horford/Durant/Crowder/Butler/IT lets you play 5 Out and open up the lane for drives.

[BakersDozen]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

If thats really what it takes to get Butler its a no brainer for us.


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[Afam]

I don't think Durant would want to play the Power Foward position . Has he ever played there before ?

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

If thats really what it takes to get Butler its a no brainer for us.

Well, that's all it takes on Real GM, LOL.
Acquiring Butler is going to be a bit more expensive in reality.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

What would be the lineup in that case? Butler at three or Bradley to the bench? Or would he have to go in another move?

Butler starts at SG, no doubt.

BOS will have to get more shooting into their starting 5 - I suspect KD would be playing the 4 if they got him - Horford/Durant/Crowder/Butler/IT lets you play 5 Out and open up the lane for drives.

Interesting. Would Durant be OK playing the 4 full-time?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

None of us know the deal with Cousins first hand (a couple people have relayed broad descriptions, like 'everyone hates him'), it's possible he is a difficult guy, but it's just as possible that he's being scapegoated for how badly that team has been managed and coached.

Cousins doesn't look that different, to me, from someone like Rasheed Wallace, or even Kendrick Perkins.. Why is Perk "intense" and Cousins "petulant" except that Perk looked like a 50 year old man when he was 17 and Cousins has a baby face?

It's a huge, huge gamble when your superstar best player is the polar opposite of Tim Duncan. But Cousins' on-court stuff isn't that different from a lot of players, his reputation exceeds the damage he's done. Maybe there's more behind the scenes, but the Kings don't seem great at keeping stuff in-house. I suspect we'd have heard about it- unless Cousins truly is diagnosably bipolar and management is trying to protect *him*.

If there's any organization that could provide 'containment' for his emotional storms and help him mature, it would be ours. Just really really risky, and we could end up seeing Demarcus traded somewhere for a shockingly small return. The Kings have hemmed and hawed so much that now he's getting branded as a problem child who can't win. I don't think that's true, but they've absolutely tanked his trade value by trying and failing to make the organization work as is. Something something radical disruption.

Perk and Sheed were loved by their teammates. Cousins is hated. When multiple teammates complain about you, that is not a good look.

As for the Kings not being able to keep things secret - Cave has already said that the Kings have covered up half of his shenanigans. Even their radio play-by-play man has said it too.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

If thats really what it takes to get Butler its a no brainer for us.


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I would try to take away the 16. I feel like we can get a pretty solid guy at that position of the draft. Offer the Bkn pick, Bos pick, Smart, Olynyk and their choice out of Young/Hunter. Will hurt losing Smart but if Butler helps you get Durant then you have to do it.

Another thing to keep in mind is who you would rather have..Bradley or Smart? Smart's ceiling is higher than Bradley's IMO and he is a better option to come off the bench, Bradley would probably not like the bench too much. Bradley's value is also higher right now so he could potentially save you some assets if you trade him instead of Marcus.

[galipeautim]

Butler trade would likely be for 3, 16, Smart

If thats really what it takes to get Butler its a no brainer for us.

Well, that's all it takes on Real GM, LOL.
Acquiring Butler is going to be a bit more expensive in reality.

Yeah, Bulls know we offered the Brooklyn pick and three other picks for Justice Winslow last summer. There were no takers. In order to land Butler the pick would have to be in the top 2 and then I could actually see it working. Maybe top 2 pick, Mavs pick, Smart and Rozier gets it done. Maybe. There aren't too many studs locked up long term like Butler.

[BfB]

They're not trading Bradley - one of their few two way players. Chicago is debating a rebuild - if they trade Butler it'll be for rookie contract guys.

[galipeautim]

I don't think we're disagreeing all that much here. I'm perfectly happy with the way things have played out to this point. Danny positioned himself to have assets to improve the roster last summer and at the deadline this year if things worked out. They didn't, so we rolled with what we had. Brad did a great job coaching them, and they were fun as hell to watch, and the rookies did indeed develop and playoff experience was great.

What I'm saying is going forward it, you get diminishing returns doing that again next season. The preferred path is add a couple of legit starters with star potential via draft, trade or FA. If that happens, you are bumping a couple guys that played well this year from the rotation, right? If it doesn't happen, and you draft a bunch of young guys - at least 1 very highly rated one - added to the young guys we already have, you still gotta bump guys from the rotation to play them. There's a window to how much development can happen without playing. Rookie year / d-league, for mid to late first rounders, sure. But do you want to do that with our top draft choice? Kawhi played 24 minutes a game his rookie year. Hill & Green, sure - Terry, RJ & Mickey got that same treatment, that's fine.

I agree that we aren't far off on opinion, but I don't think you downgrade the roster so that the "younger" (everyone on this team is young) guys can play. I also don't think you play those guys unless they are the plyers best equipped to win you the game. At the end of the day, it comes down to our rising sophomores and incoming rookies playing well enough to earn their time. Otherwise, yes I think another year of Jerebko is the right decision. I certainly hope we draft/drafted well enough that it isn't the case.

This argument drives me insane...

SOME players are adept at kearning through observation/instruction. SOME require a playing time to test their knowlege to internalize instruction.

It's different for every player. There is not a one size fits all olayer development ideology that works for all players. A quality player development program caters the approach on a case by case basis.

If a player is good they will earn their minutes. An 18 year old Kobe wouldn't be wallowing on the bench. He would be in the gym 18 hours a day and would earn his minutes. So would all the other stud players in the league. Stevens is a smart guy. Each of these guys will get their chance if they deserve it. If not, tough ****. This is the NBA. You aren't awarded minutes because you're talented. Every player in the league is talented.

[BigTrade92]

I'll think Butler to Boston is the worst kept secret in the NBA.

Baring us getting the #1 pick, I think this is pretty much guaranteed to go down.

Watch me be totally wrong now...

[Captain_Caveman]

Report: Celtics believe they’ll get meeting with Kevin Durant


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/celtics--offseason-plan-to-include-a-run-at-kevin-durant-143324787.html

Ainge will be aggressive in free agency, team sources told The Vertical, and yes, that means a run at Kevin Durant. The Celtics believe Durant will meet with them this summer, but they know that meeting won’t accomplish much unless there are significant moves leading into it. Durant will be 28 in September, and the former MVP isn’t interested in hearing what a team could someday become. He wants to win now, which is why Golden State and San Antonio expect to be appealing, why Oklahoma City is still very much in play. Boston needs a deal for Jimmy Butler, a commitment from Al Horford, a carrot to dangle in front of Durant to persuade him that relocating east is the smart play.

The Bulls are a hard read right now. They seemed to throw Butler under the bus after their season ended. He's never played well with Rose and he's clashing with Hoiberg. But do they have incentive to trade him? They just re upped him long term. What's it take to pry him away? Probably starts with the BKN pick and Crowder, I'd imagine. I wouldn't necessarily mind dealing Jae if it meant Durant though.

Crowder, Smart and the Nets pick.

[Captain_Caveman]

None of us know the deal with Cousins first hand (a couple people have relayed broad descriptions, like 'everyone hates him'), it's possible he is a difficult guy, but it's just as possible that he's being scapegoated for how badly that team has been managed and coached.

Cousins doesn't look that different, to me, from someone like Rasheed Wallace, or even Kendrick Perkins.. Why is Perk "intense" and Cousins "petulant" except that Perk looked like a 50 year old man when he was 17 and Cousins has a baby face?

It's a huge, huge gamble when your superstar best player is the polar opposite of Tim Duncan. But Cousins' on-court stuff isn't that different from a lot of players, his reputation exceeds the damage he's done. Maybe there's more behind the scenes, but the Kings don't seem great at keeping stuff in-house. I suspect we'd have heard about it- unless Cousins truly is diagnosably bipolar and management is trying to protect *him*.

If there's any organization that could provide 'containment' for his emotional storms and help him mature, it would be ours. Just really really risky, and we could end up seeing Demarcus traded somewhere for a shockingly small return. The Kings have hemmed and hawed so much that now he's getting branded as a problem child who can't win. I don't think that's true, but they've absolutely tanked his trade value by trying and failing to make the organization work as is. Something something radical disruption.

I've relayed some pretty specific info about the dude and that situation from multiple secondhand sources around that team, going back a couple of years now. Right down to his specific mental health diagnosis and what his teammates and people around the team really think of him. I believe that the events of the last two years have borne out that info about as accurately as possible as well.

[sarcasma]

For Jimmy Butler it depends on if the pick is 1,2, 3, 4,5, or 6.

If its 2 then Crowder plus 2 I do all day, Crowder is severely overrated.

If its 1 then #1 plus Smart should get it done.

I dont like putting Smart and Crowder in one package as we need each one of them for individual packages.

You must also ask yourself, what about Cousins and Blake? We can only do the draft pick plus Smart/Crowder once.

[sarcasma]

For Cousins, I would lowball for sure 16,23, 31, Boston 2018, Smart, Young, RJ, Crowder.

Not #35 though as I want to save that for Thon Maker.