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Post#2021 » by bwgood77 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:16 am

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bwgood77 wrote:There are people in the basketball world who thought it strange that Watson took a job as an assistant in the D-League. He made $1.4 million his last season as a player, and more than $40 million in his career. The job with the Austin Spurs required ditching chartered flights and five-star hotels for eight-hour bus rides and motels. The $30,000 salary was not enough to cover his expenses, and who among us goes out of pocket to work?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article73515637.html


Watson made over $40M as a journeyman backup point guard who never played on high-profile teams?

... good work if you can get it.


Yes, that part gave me a second take as well. The enormous disparity between the select few and everyone else.
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Post#2022 » by gaspar » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:27 am

Not that long ago Lakers fans were complaining about Walton's terrible self-renewing contract and were celebrating when he finally got traded to Cleveland and now he's the next great NBA coach...
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Post#2023 » by TeamTragic » Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:42 am

Blazers eliminate the Clippers. Major props :D
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Post#2024 » by MrMiyagi » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:14 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GMATCallahan wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:There are people in the basketball world who thought it strange that Watson took a job as an assistant in the D-League. He made $1.4 million his last season as a player, and more than $40 million in his career. The job with the Austin Spurs required ditching chartered flights and five-star hotels for eight-hour bus rides and motels. The $30,000 salary was not enough to cover his expenses, and who among us goes out of pocket to work?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article73515637.html


Watson made over $40M as a journeyman backup point guard who never played on high-profile teams?

... good work if you can get it.


Yes, that part gave me a second take as well. The enormous disparity between the select few and everyone else.

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Post#2025 » by Gorilla Warfare » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:18 pm

102 pages and no new thread created?!?


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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#2026 » by GMATCallahan » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:23 pm

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:I think it's more beneficial to get a top 5 pick than get swept in the playoffs.


Depends on the circumstances. If you are full of 25 and younger guys and get swept, it is a taste of the playoffs, like when the Thunder lost to the Lakers while young in their first season making the playoffs.

There is not going to be a rebuilding team that automatically vaults into a team that makes a really deep playoff run barring crazy injuries.
Now it wouldn't shock me if Minnesota got to the 2nd round next year if they make it, but I'm guessing they'd have to get to at least the 6 seed to do it.

A vet team trying to patch together a team like we did in the post Amare years to make the 8th seed is not a smart goal. Getting to the playoffs with a team made up mostly of guys in rookie contracts is a worthy goal.


A classic example is the 1994 Orlando Magic with a rookie Anfernee Hardaway and a second-year Shaquille O'Neal (additionally, Dennis Scott was twenty-five and Nick Anderson was twenty-six). Indiana swept Orlando in the First Round, but that maiden playoff experience, along with the additions of free agent veterans Horace Grant and Brian Shaw, helped the Magic reach the NBA Finals the very next season.

One of the few examples of a team that went from a rebuilding state to a deep playoff performance overnight was the 1989 Suns, who rocketed from 28 wins to the second-best record in the West and the Western Conference Finals in one year. In the summer of 1988, Phoenix inked the first unrestricted free agent in NBA history, Tom Chambers, to complement their array of young players. The 2005 Suns, of course, performed a similar feat, going from 29 wins to the best record in the NBA and the Western Conference Finals in one year. They, of course, signed Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson in the summer of 2004 to complement their young and athletic core. Both of those Phoenix teams, by the way, had been playing around .500 basketball in the final weeks of the previous season, thus showing improvement. And the 1990 Spurs enjoyed a similar turnaround, but they also possessed a recent first-overall draft pick debuting in the NBA at the age of twenty-four, an instant superstar as a rookie: David Robinson. The 1980 Boston Celtics, of course, enjoyed a monumental turnaround behind a rookie Larry Bird, as did the 1970 Milwaukee Bucks behind a rookie Lew Alcindor.

There are a few other examples, but generally speaking, teams require at least one intermediate step, often more.
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Post#2027 » by LV-Suns » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:51 pm

just realized we have a UCLA guy coaching the Suns, while an Arizona guy coaching the Lakers.. Something is not right lol
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Post#2028 » by saintEscaton » Sun May 1, 2016 7:15 pm

Man we really fleeced Riley, once the Don hangs it up Miami will have to blow it up, no way they can reload in a single offseason. Those 2018 and 2021 picks are lotto bound for sure. Dragic is a bum on the worst contract in the league lets proceed to pat ourselves on the back.
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Post#2029 » by Jdiddy701 » Sun May 1, 2016 8:30 pm

Draymond Green is a monster. I once said Markieff Morris is better than him. Yikes


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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#2030 » by MrMiyagi » Sun May 1, 2016 9:28 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Man we really fleeced Riley, once the Don hangs it up Miami will have to blow it up, no way they can reload in a single offseason. Those 2018 and 2021 picks are lotto bound for sure. Dragic is a bum on the worst contract in the league lets proceed to pat ourselves on the back.

Why, because they beat the Hornets without Bosh? Bosh might be done for his career, Wade will be 36 for the 2017-18 season. Dragic is proving to be exceedingly mediocre for them in the playoffs. If Luol Deng is your best player (which is likely the scenario in 2017-18 unless some miracle happens), you're not going far, even in the East. They're praying that Justice Winslow become Kawhi Leonard, otherwise there isn't much appeal to that squad other than the "South Beach lifestyle".
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Post#2031 » by darealjuice » Sun May 1, 2016 9:39 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Man we really fleeced Riley, once the Don hangs it up Miami will have to blow it up, no way they can reload in a single offseason. Those 2018 and 2021 picks are lotto bound for sure. Dragic is a bum on the worst contract in the league lets proceed to pat ourselves on the back.


Man, is everything you post negative and tongue-in-cheek lol? Dragic is about to be 30 years old, he doesn't fit with the future of our team anymore and was going to leave in the free agency anyways after his role on offense changed. Getting 2 first rounders, even if they aren't locks at lottery picks, is a decent haul for someone who literally said he was gone in the offseason anyways. They also didn't make the playoffs last year, and the East keeps improving, so there's no real guaranteed that they stick in the playoffs as their core continues to age.

He had his best years with us. He hasn't played as well for the Heat and isn't worth the $17 MM a year that he's getting paid until he's 33-34 years old. I liked Dragic while he was here and was disappointed with how the situation played out, but it's time to stop crying over old spilled milk.
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Post#2032 » by bwgood77 » Sun May 1, 2016 10:27 pm

We got a good return for Dragic, especially since he could and would have left us in free agency anyway. And he doesn't really fit with a team that needs to rebuild and go younger and I wouldn't want to have paid him that much anyway. But the knee jerk Knight trade was likely a mistake too, though maybe that pick turns out not all that great anyway (most here have agreed the 4th pick in this draft sucks) and it could be like the 8th or 9th pick next year.

But those who continue to bring up how much Dragic sucks after a bad game, when, for stretches of the seasons, much like today, he has been their best player, is pretty ridiculous too. Dragic is a good player and often plays his best in big games in the playoffs like today in an elimation game, and of course we saw him do it against the Spurs for us.

We didn't really fleece them because it kind of made sense for both teams at the time. If they wanted to take advantage of the rest of Wade and Bosh's time there, they needed better players around them and guys that could step in when they are out.
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Post#2033 » by jcsunsfan » Sun May 1, 2016 11:40 pm

bwgood77 wrote:We got a good return for Dragic, especially since he could and would have left us in free agency anyway. And he doesn't really fit with a team that needs to rebuild and go younger and I wouldn't want to have paid him that much anyway. But the knee jerk Knight trade was likely a mistake too, though maybe that pick turns out not all that great anyway (most here have agreed the 4th pick in this draft sucks) and it could be like the 8th or 9th pick next year.

But those who continue to bring up how much Dragic sucks after a bad game, when, for stretches of the seasons, much like today, he has been their best player, is pretty ridiculous too. Dragic is a good player and often plays his best in big games in the playoffs like today in an elimation game, and of course we saw him do it against the Spurs for us.

We didn't really fleece them because it kind of made sense for both teams at the time. If they wanted to take advantage of the rest of Wade and Bosh's time there, they needed better players around them and guys that could step in when they are out.


It was a great save. Imagine what people would have been saying if he just walked and signed with Miami last summer without us trading him.
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Post#2034 » by batsmasher » Mon May 2, 2016 7:41 am

Not sure where to post this but I had some fun with Project Murphy:

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Post#2035 » by lilfishi22 » Mon May 2, 2016 11:46 pm

Can we get some of that Archie/MJ comparison?
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Post#2036 » by batsmasher » Tue May 3, 2016 2:48 am

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Post#2037 » by saintEscaton » Tue May 3, 2016 3:12 am

Dat jowl tho
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Post#2038 » by King4Day » Tue May 3, 2016 12:19 pm

Loving the controversy of the Spurs getting shafted last night.
Acting like the Thunder successfully inbounded the ball and ran out the clock.

HELLO! You stole the ball and had an oddman fast break and STILL didn't convert. So you cry that the refs didn't make a call.

I don't know if the foul were called, if they would have gone to the line but I really don't care. Just happy there's something exciting to talk about regarding the playoffs as they've been a total bore so far.

Manu's history of flopping likely cost them that call. Refs see him fall and assume it's just Manu continuing to cheat.

Glad this went against the Spurs for a change.
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Post#2039 » by GMATCallahan » Tue May 3, 2016 10:02 pm

DarkHawk wrote:Loving the controversy of the Spurs getting shafted last night.
Acting like the Thunder successfully inbounded the ball and ran out the clock.

HELLO! You stole the ball and had an oddman fast break and STILL didn't convert. So you cry that the refs didn't make a call.

I don't know if the foul were called, if they would have gone to the line but I really don't care. Just happy there's something exciting to talk about regarding the playoffs as they've been a total bore so far.

Manu's history of flopping likely cost them that call. Refs see him fall and assume it's just Manu continuing to cheat.

Glad this went against the Spurs for a change.


The fast break did not fully materialize in the end, but the Spurs committed a few mistakes.

A) Since they were only down by one point, they certainly did not need a three-pointer. The left-handed Ginobili, driving into the middle from the right, possessed a chance to shoot a lefty runner in the lane, but instead he kicked the ball out to Patty Mills in the right three-ball corner.

B) Instead of whipping the pass to Mills, Ginobili floated a carnival-style pass to him—you know, the kind that looks cool on highlights yet is actually much less effective. In this case, the floating pass gave Steven Adams time to race out to the corner and contest the Mills shot, which consequently came up well short. Ginobili might have feared that the trailing Russell Westbrook would deflect the pass if it did not have enough air under it, but chances are that Westbrook would not have managed to do so.

C) Again, the Spurs possessed absolutely no need for a three, and Mills is a ball-handling guard who can shoot off the dribble. With the much bigger Adams flying at him, Mills should have faked slightly and then put the ball on the floor, ducking in for a wide-open, one-dribble, two-point jumper from about eighteen feet or so. Instead, he shot a contested three—with his team down by one.

That last mistake constituted the biggest of all.
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Post#2040 » by lilfishi22 » Tue May 3, 2016 11:54 pm

I thought Gino was going to go for a floater or at least try and draw the foul instead he whips the ball out to the three which they didn't need. Patty Mills taking a contested 3 to me seems like he wasn't aware of the time left at that point in the sequence.

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