Ben Simmons

Mike X · Post #1261 » by **Mike X** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:24 am

No problem with it on my part.

RingsDontLie · Post #1262 » by **RingsDontLie** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:02 pm

Anybody know if this Ben Simmons guy has a jump shot? I've watched like 3 highlight videos and haven't seen one perimeter jump shot from this guy, lol. He's not going to be able to drive to the basket all day in the NBA.

Post #1263 » by **GimmeDat** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:56 am

RingsDontLie wrote:Anybody know if this Ben Simmons guy has a jump shot? I've watched like 3 highlight videos and haven't seen one perimeter jump shot from this guy, lol. He's not going to be able to drive to the basket all day in the NBA.

At this stage, not really. He's a solid FT shooter with fairly good mechanics. He barely ever shot a jumper during games though. Partially because he knew he could get to the rim and never settled, but partially because his shot needs a lot of work as well. I wouldn't call it broken though.

Pipp33 · Post #1264 » by **Pipp33** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:09 am

GimmeDat wrote:I'm not really surprised given what we've heard recently that he's decided to skip the Olympics. It's his decision to do what's best for him, so I don't think you can necessarily rip into the guy, but of course people over here want to see someone whose passionate about playing for their country, especially with all the hype that's been around him the last year or two.

I would've loved to have seen him play, but so long as he's available going forward, I don't think it's a big deal. He would've been a bench guy for us this year. Let him prove himself in the NBA for a year or two and Ben should be able to walk into the national team as main guy.

I have no problem with him picking the Draft prep as a priority. Its the rest of his career at stake. Longley and Bogut have both missed the Olympics before for career choices. Exum was injured and missed a season playing for Oz.

I'm not sure how well he would be used by Andrej Lemanis ( Head coach of Oz team). There was an article on the weekend saying that he was not a Players coach and had not been in touch with many of the O'seas players regularly enough. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think he is the coach to get us to the pointy end of the Olympics. We SHOULD be very competitive this year.

As you mention, by the time of the next Olympics, he will have established himself as (hopefully) a dominant player and the team can use him as a focal point

Damkac · Post #1265 » by **Damkac** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:01 am

What position he should play? PF? SF? Maybe try him as PG like Bucks done with Giannis? Where he would be most succesfull?

Post #1266 » by **GimmeDat** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:26 am

Damkac wrote:What position he should play? PF? SF? Maybe try him as PG like Bucks done with Giannis? Where he would be most succesfull?

PF, but he's not going to be your standard PF. His role in the offense could range anywhere from effectively a PG like Giannis to a face up 4 like Draymond Green. Considering he's likely to go to a rebuilding team, chances are he'll have a lot of freedom on offense to do more of the former than the latter.

jpengland · Post #1267 » by **jpengland** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:14 am

GimmeDat wrote:
Damkac wrote:What position he should play? PF? SF? Maybe try him as PG like Bucks done with Giannis? Where he would be most succesfull?

PF, but he's not going to be your standard PF. His role in the offense could range anywhere from effectively a PG like Giannis to a face up 4 like Draymond Green. Considering he's likely to go to a rebuilding team, chances are he'll have a lot of freedom on offense to do more of the former than the latter.

Agreed.

He's so versatile that he will play a little bit of 1, 3 and 4. It gives a coach an AWFUL lot of flexibility. Similar to Giannis it allows you to play with a shooter/off ball specialist at 'PG' or a stretch 4 alongside him at 3, or play him as a 4, surrounded by shooters and run, run, run.

He seems a smart enough defender that in time he can guard 3 or 4. He's strong and rebounds well so that doesn't hurt you on the boards if he plays the 4.

nurseryc · Post #1268 » by **nurseryc** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:24 pm

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'Though I do like Ingram a lot. But Simmons is a much more unique talent with that ability to help your team in a lot of different ways. If he’s not scoring he’s rebounding, if he’s not rebounding he’s setting teammates up to score…he’s always doing something positive for the team. Ingram, though very talented, is the type of player the league is seeing more and more of. He draws many comparisons to Durant for obvious reasons, but he’s not nearly as impressive as Durant was at the same point in his career.

It’s hard to overstate the vastly different situations that Simmons and Ingram are coming out of. Ingram is coming from a situation where his coach is Coach K, one of the greatest basketball coaches to ever live. He was surrounded by other offensive threats, and wasn’t even the team’s leading scorer. I was a little surprised, looking at the advanced metrics (go ahead TCB, have at me) via sports reference, to see that Ingram was 2nd on the team in win shares, 3rd in BPM among guys who got 1000 minutes, 2nd among such players in PER, and and second in useage. While he may have been the team’s best-known offensive weapon, he certainly wasn’t carrying them. That’s why Duke was able to coast to wins even when Ingram played horribly. They beat Georgia Tech by 9 with Ingram going 3/15 from the floor. They beat eventual national runner-up North Carolina with Ingram shooting 7/21. Replace Ingram with an average NCAA player at his position, and Duke still probably wins 22 or 23 games easily enough of the 25 they actually won.

Then Look at Simmons. He was coached by Johnny Jones, a mediocre-to-bad coach with a 57% all-time winning percentage who literally only got hired at LSU because he’s an alum. His team was horrible. Simmons had double the win shares of anyone else on the roster, and the disparity was even bigger on defensive win shares, amazingly. He had the highest PER of any player who got decent playing time by so much that it’s crazy, and had the highest useage by a mile. He had nobody to pick him up. If Simmons had an off night, LSU lost. LSU lost to College of Charleston (a 17-14 minor conference team) by 12 because Simmons played poorly. Replace Simmons with an average-level NCAA forward, and LSU probably goes from 19-14 to 12-21. If not worse. He was their whole team.

I think Simmons could really take his game up a notch if surrounded by a high level of supporting talent for once and coaches who hopefully know what they’re doing.'

nurseryc · Post #1269 » by **nurseryc** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:28 pm

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'At the 2012 adidas Nations event Simmons took 2.3, 3 point shots per game over 6 games, hitting about 28%.

Just going off of his FT%, he probably doesn’t ever project as a GREAT shooter, but 67% isn’t awful, and it seems possible, maybe even likely that he’ll develop into a modestly proficient shooter, despite his mid-range woes this season.'

Agnostifarian · Post #1270 » by **Agnostifarian** » Tue May 3, 2016 5:26 pm

nurseryc wrote:Quote

'Though I do like Ingram a lot. But Simmons is a much more unique talent with that ability to help your team in a lot of different ways. If he’s not scoring he’s rebounding, if he’s not rebounding he’s setting teammates up to score…he’s always doing something positive for the team. Ingram, though very talented, is the type of player the league is seeing more and more of. He draws many comparisons to Durant for obvious reasons, but he’s not nearly as impressive as Durant was at the same point in his career.

It’s hard to overstate the vastly different situations that Simmons and Ingram are coming out of. Ingram is coming from a situation where his coach is Coach K, one of the greatest basketball coaches to ever live. He was surrounded by other offensive threats, and wasn’t even the team’s leading scorer. I was a little surprised, looking at the advanced metrics (go ahead TCB, have at me) via sports reference, to see that Ingram was 2nd on the team in win shares, 3rd in BPM among guys who got 1000 minutes, 2nd among such players in PER, and and second in useage. While he may have been the team’s best-known offensive weapon, he certainly wasn’t carrying them. That’s why Duke was able to coast to wins even when Ingram played horribly. They beat Georgia Tech by 9 with Ingram going 3/15 from the floor. They beat eventual national runner-up North Carolina with Ingram shooting 7/21. Replace Ingram with an average NCAA player at his position, and Duke still probably wins 22 or 23 games easily enough of the 25 they actually won.

Then Look at Simmons. He was coached by Johnny Jones, a mediocre-to-bad coach with a 57% all-time winning percentage who literally only got hired at LSU because he’s an alum. His team was horrible. Simmons had double the win shares of anyone else on the roster, and the disparity was even bigger on defensive win shares, amazingly. He had the highest PER of any player who got decent playing time by so much that it’s crazy, and had the highest useage by a mile. He had nobody to pick him up. If Simmons had an off night, LSU lost. LSU lost to College of Charleston (a 17-14 minor conference team) by 12 because Simmons played poorly. Replace Simmons with an average-level NCAA forward, and LSU probably goes from 19-14 to 12-21. If not worse. He was their whole team.

I think Simmons could really take his game up a notch if surrounded by a high level of supporting talent for once and coaches who hopefully know what they’re doing.'

Have you resorted to quoting yourself? What kind of stats is Ben Simmons putting up in the Nurseryc Fantasy League? I'll bet you manage that league on ESPN, no?

gothehornets · Post #1271 » by **gothehornets** » Tue May 3, 2016 10:25 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:
nurseryc wrote:Quote

'Though I do like Ingram a lot. But Simmons is a much more unique talent with that ability to help your team in a lot of different ways. If he’s not scoring he’s rebounding, if he’s not rebounding he’s setting teammates up to score…he’s always doing something positive for the team. Ingram, though very talented, is the type of player the league is seeing more and more of. He draws many comparisons to Durant for obvious reasons, but he’s not nearly as impressive as Durant was at the same point in his career.

It’s hard to overstate the vastly different situations that Simmons and Ingram are coming out of. Ingram is coming from a situation where his coach is Coach K, one of the greatest basketball coaches to ever live. He was surrounded by other offensive threats, and wasn’t even the team’s leading scorer. I was a little surprised, looking at the advanced metrics (go ahead TCB, have at me) via sports reference, to see that Ingram was 2nd on the team in win shares, 3rd in BPM among guys who got 1000 minutes, 2nd among such players in PER, and and second in useage. While he may have been the team’s best-known offensive weapon, he certainly wasn’t carrying them. That’s why Duke was able to coast to wins even when Ingram played horribly. They beat Georgia Tech by 9 with Ingram going 3/15 from the floor. They beat eventual national runner-up North Carolina with Ingram shooting 7/21. Replace Ingram with an average NCAA player at his position, and Duke still probably wins 22 or 23 games easily enough of the 25 they actually won.

Then Look at Simmons. He was coached by Johnny Jones, a mediocre-to-bad coach with a 57% all-time winning percentage who literally only got hired at LSU because he’s an alum. His team was horrible. Simmons had double the win shares of anyone else on the roster, and the disparity was even bigger on defensive win shares, amazingly. He had the highest PER of any player who got decent playing time by so much that it’s crazy, and had the highest useage by a mile. He had nobody to pick him up. If Simmons had an off night, LSU lost. LSU lost to College of Charleston (a 17-14 minor conference team) by 12 because Simmons played poorly. Replace Simmons with an average-level NCAA forward, and LSU probably goes from 19-14 to 12-21. If not worse. He was their whole team.

I think Simmons could really take his game up a notch if surrounded by a high level of supporting talent for once and coaches who hopefully know what they’re doing.'

Have you resorted to quoting yourself? What kind of stats is Ben Simmons putting up in the Nurseryc Fantasy League? I'll bet you manage that league on ESPN, no?

is there something wrong with the quote it doesn't seem that bad

No-Man · Post #1272 » by **No-Man** » Tue May 3, 2016 10:49 pm

Best fit for Simmons is likely LA, Phoenix or Denver.

Agnostifarian · Post #1273 » by **Agnostifarian** » Tue May 3, 2016 11:16 pm

Fischella wrote:Best fit for Simmons is likely LA, Phoenix or Denver.

Boston

No-Man · Post #1274 » by **No-Man** » Tue May 3, 2016 11:26 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:
Fischella wrote:Best fit for Simmons is likely LA, Phoenix or Denver.

Boston

Nah, they need shooting and a big, Simmons provides neither, a playmaker would be welcomed too but it is not one of their biggest needs.
Boston needs more Ingram/Bender even Chriss than Simmons.

Post #1275 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed May 4, 2016 3:41 am

Agnostifarian wrote:
Fischella wrote:Best fit for Simmons is likely LA, Phoenix or Denver.

Boston

Ingram is a perfect fit for Boston. I actually think Simmons is a bad fit for Boston now. I do think Simmons can be a good fit for Minny depending on what they do with Rubio

Hook_Em · Post #1276 » by **Hook_Em** » Thu May 5, 2016 5:38 am

How many prospects in the past at least 6'9" could handle the ball like Ben Simmons?

gothehornets · Post #1277 » by **gothehornets** » Thu May 5, 2016 11:59 am

Hook_Em wrote:How many prospects in the past at least 6'9" could handle the ball like Ben Simmons?

magic lamar maybe kg and kd

Ettorefm · Post #1278 » by **Ettorefm** » Thu May 5, 2016 2:49 pm

Ettorefm · Post #1279 » by **Ettorefm** » Thu May 5, 2016 2:50 pm

gothehornets wrote:
Hook_Em wrote:How many prospects in the past at least 6'9" could handle the ball like Ben Simmons?

magic lamar maybe kg and kd

Blake griffin dude

HotelVitale · Post #1280 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu May 5, 2016 5:57 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
gothehornets wrote:
Hook_Em wrote:How many prospects in the past at least 6'9" could handle the ball like Ben Simmons?
magic lamar maybe kg and kd
Blake griffin dude

Probably a bunch of other dudes whose names we don't know too. Point is, being tall and having a decent handle won't make you a star. Learning to do a bunch of other stuff will--finishing in traffic at 50%+, being useful from 20 ft while D closes out, defending guys longer/stronger than him, etc.

By the way, ettore, your's sigs hilarious! Reminds me of a lot of ignorant folks I grew up with.