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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#201 » by CobraCommander » Sun May 1, 2016 4:13 am

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~lol~ Talkin' 'bout objectivity! :lol:



Oh I am being objective- Lin is a decent point and a decent shooting guard. At 3 mil a year Lin could help us...if y'all don't want him ;)

Plus if you haven't heard or been to the Wiz areana...it's in DCs Chinatown...(not like that matters)


BTW, do the Wizards have any plan to build a new arena? I went to a game there last month. The seats in my section use old folding chairs and the seat numbers are marked on the floor with chalk.


No I don't think so. We need to plan to rebuild the TEAM so that we can Destroy all that stand before us and not worry about the areana. - I have been to your areana this year Oakland ain't nothing to mess with. If the team was called the Oakland Warriors people would take y'all a little more seriously.
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Post#202 » by Hank7 » Sun May 1, 2016 4:21 am

...just like us Laker fans, Wiz fans having nothing to do but peruse the boards of teams still in action.
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Post#203 » by PG13 » Sun May 1, 2016 4:26 am

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Oh I am being objective- Lin is a decent point and a decent shooting guard. At 3 mil a year Lin could help us...if y'all don't want him ;)

Plus if you haven't heard or been to the Wiz areana...it's in DCs Chinatown...(not like that matters)


BTW, do the Wizards have any plan to build a new arena? I went to a game there last month. The seats in my section use old folding chairs and the seat numbers are marked on the floor with chalk.


No I don't think so. We need to plan to rebuild the TEAM so that we can Destroy all that stand before us and not worry about the areana. - I have been to your areana this year Oakland ain't nothing to mess with. If the team was called the Oakland Warriors people would take y'all a little more seriously.


Can't wait for the team to move out of Oakland. 30 minutes on the BART plus another 20 minutes walk, each way.
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Post#204 » by rallydurham » Sun May 1, 2016 4:37 am

Now thats something everyone can agree on. I can't believe Scott brooks got another opportunity to be honest. Although Donovan has been a terrible replacement.
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Post#205 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun May 1, 2016 4:37 am

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Wow ...someone logical discussing Lin. Most of the people that follow Lin are fans of Lins (for the obvious reason). A lot of Lins fans are not basketball fans or long time basketball fans at least. I would say I am a Lin fan (or at least interested in his story) and not a Hornets fan (everyone in Cobra Support the Wiz). Lin has proven that he is a pretty good bench player and a contributor but he won't be the reason that the Hornets Win or Lose a series. The stars on the team like KD and Westbrook or the System like the Spurs will win the series. Kemba, Jefferson and Batum are the stars of this team and everytime Lin goes over 14 pts is a bonus for the Hornets.

When people say Lin lacks confidence or needs more time : you make it seem like if he were just more confident he wouldn't have gone 1 for 8 last game. Or that if Lin was on the floor for 48 minutes he would have played better...like if he just had one more minute or put up 1 more shot that 1 for 8 would have been 2 for 9 and Lin would have saved the team. I guess you can make that argument about every player on every team every game through out all time and guess what...you might be right or...more than likely you would be wrong.

I love Lins story and his game...plus his YouTube and social media presence is AMAZING... but he isn't a star in the league. Lin just doesn't have the talent of the best players in the league. Lin is a 12/14 pts a game 4 assist NBA player and that is nothing to be ashamed of. Lin is one of the best players on the PLANET and Better THAN almost anyone on this board (I know there are NBA players that Lurk and post on some of the forums) but not one of the best players in the NBA and absolutely not he best player on the hornets. Lin works hard, Lin is talented, Lin is athletic, Lin is confident, Lin is honest about his place in the league, Lin is paid right for his production from the previous year on the lakers but he will probably get a raise this offseason because of his production this year and his ability to play the 1 or 2....which is GREAT. Lin knows the best and worse thing that ever happen to him was the 2/3 weeks of Linsanity (it wasn't even a month) because it set the bar for expectations for Lin so he can never reach those heights again, Lin doesn't have a particularly high basketball IQ (notice his assist to turnover ratio and his turnovers considering his usage over his career), Lin isnt a franchise cornerstone....which is OK...but the great thing is LIN IS SMART and Humble enough to know All of the things I stated. which is what I respect about him. Lin isn't arrogant or as delusional as some of his fans...which is why I pull for him...except for when he plays against the Wiz. I am not a Lin only fan but I am a fan of the good guys in the league ...which Lin appears to be.

One other thing I would like to tell you that is really fun to watch.... The Lin Fan thread that moves from Team to Team as he gets released or signs with a new team. The arguments and debates are the same. E.g. Lin needs more time, The coach doesn't like Lin because of this or that, the team would be better if Lin was a starter, the other players don't defer to Lin enough, Lin is amazing, Lin sucks...pretty much every thread is filled with LOF that are not objective. I have to say the Hornet threads Mods have done a good job managing this...which is refreshing.


Actually, Lin has been pretty important in this series thus far and will be a huge factor again tomorrow with Nic out. We saw last game that nobody else beside Kemba and Al were able to create their own shots and it was all Kemba down the stretch. Props to him for beasting but we can't depend on this again so Lin will be quite important on this injury depleted team.

You make some good points however not all of his fans are delusional and non-objective, most of the posters here are quite rational imo. As fatlever mentioned, many of his harshest critics are die-hard Lin fans such as myself.

For instance I am one of his fans that think that he still doesn't have the IT factor that Dwayne Wade was talking about when it comes to stepping up in big moments. This may seem like I'm criticizing him but in the grand scheme of things it's not. As you mentioned, being an NBA player in itself is damn freak!ng impressive, and on top of that the commentators added that even good veteran players have difficulty in bringing it when the stakes are really high. So saying that Lin doesn't have it YET is not bashing him, it's just stating what I feel is reality.

I believe that being able to be big time is not only an embedded character strength but a trait that can be gained through experience, and Lin has already demonstrated his clutchness through regular season games and non-closeout playoff games. Huge close-out and series deciding games are a different matter and far better players than Lin have choked in big game situations. So to be fair to Lin, I probably shouldn't be so harsh. I don't believe that stinking up the joint last game was just another off-game due to his inconsistency or because he wasn't getting enough minutes or shot attempts. Some of it was tactical strategy against him and some of it was Lin himself needing to be more confident and in control under these high pressure moments.

I've been watching basketball since the 80's (Bird vs. Magic), and I've also played up to the university level so I know how darn hard it is to reach each echelon of play. Lin is a great story and inspiration, he's not a loser by any stretch of the imagination. I'd like to see him be able to play with poise in these situations. Being able to perform at the highest stakes games in the best league in the world is the pinnacle of performance, I'm rooting for him to be able to do this.


Udonis Haslem has Lin's number. Of Lin's 3 charges in the last two games, I think UD drew two of them. They're getting smarter at playing the drive but we're just not reacting and dealing with it well.

UD and Deng are indeed very good at drawing charge, he's gotta be careful.
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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#206 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun May 1, 2016 4:45 am

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Oh I am being objective- Lin is a decent point and a decent shooting guard. At 3 mil a year Lin could help us...if y'all don't want him ;)

Plus if you haven't heard or been to the Wiz areana...it's in DCs Chinatown...(not like that matters)

He's definitely getting more than 3 mil per, stop your wishful thinking, especially in public.


He didn't get it last year...we will see-

~lol~ true, definitely extremely unlikely tho. He could have signed for more last year, decided to wait for the cap raise. He came to Charlotte mainly cuz of Cliff and Silas, I doubt he'll do that for Brooks. He has upped his value. I doubt he'll need to sign another 1+1.
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Post#207 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun May 1, 2016 4:54 am

13th Man wrote:I am one of his fans that think that he still doesn't have the IT factor that Dwayne Wade was talking about when it comes to stepping up in big moments. This may seem like I'm criticizing him but in the grand scheme of things it's not. As you mentioned, being an NBA player in itself is damn freak!ng impressive, and on top of that the commentators added that even good veteran players have difficulty in bringing it when the stakes are really high. So saying that Lin doesn't have it YET is not bashing him, it's just stating what I feel is reality.

I believe that being able to be big time is not only an embedded character strength but a trait that can be gained through experience, and Lin has already demonstrated his clutchness through regular season games and non-closeout playoff games. Huge close-out and series deciding games are a different matter and far better players than Lin have choked in big game situations. So to be fair to Lin, I probably shouldn't be so harsh. I don't believe that stinking up the joint last game was just another off-game due to his inconsistency or because he wasn't getting enough minutes or shot attempts. Some of it was tactical strategy against him and some of it was Lin himself needing to be more confident and in control under these high pressure moments.

I've been watching basketball since the 80's (Bird vs. Magic), and I've also played up to the university level so I know how darn hard it is to reach each echelon of play. Lin is a great story and inspiration, he's not a loser by any stretch of the imagination. I'd like to see him be able to play with poise in these situations. Being able to perform at the highest stakes games in the best league in the world is the pinnacle of performance, I'm rooting for him to be able to do this.

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Post#208 » by JohnStockton » Sun May 1, 2016 6:18 am

Furthering some conversation in this thread--I do think Jeremy has a mentality/confidence problem. Mainly though, I feel that he has issues with his approach of the game--namely that he has a very rudimentary way of approaching the nuances of the sport.

For example, he was (IMO) undeniably timid last game in the first half when he elected to take all of those shaky looking jumpers instead of driving. Did he play like that because he's a pansy? Nah, of course not. If he was soft, games 3+4+5 would have never happened--and if he was mentally weak, he would've obviously never made it in this league after being undrafted. He's a tough player, tough guy--and he's historically never gotten a fair level of credit from the NBA audience for his high level of perseverance both in-game (when he takes all the hits he does), and also just in an overall sense of who he is.

That being said, when he comes out and lays a stinker game, it used to confuse me--because most of his stinker games involve him settling for a style of play outside of his strengths (like Game 6). Why did Jeremy consciously elect to shoot jumpers right at the start of his stint until the end of it, especially when his J is completely broken? Why not just keep driving? Even more perplexing to that decision is that Miami actually put more pressure on him on the PnR by trapping him in Game 5 (and he responded well)--but here comes Game 6--and they did not trap, so he should've theoretically had an easier pathway to driving hard. But he didn't... What the hell? Makes you wonder if his ankle was messed up--but then he seemed to be pretty fast still in the second half, and drove plenty of times. Too hard, actually. So what was going on?

What can you say except it was probably a mentality issue? What else would lead a guy to do something so tactically stupid? The worst part is that I've seen this story before. Some games he comes out of the gate, and he's going to play to his strengths all the way, whether it works out or not. Other games, he just sits back and it seems like he's waiting for the game to come to him--then it doesn't happen--and he's already wasted his time being invisible, never having gotten into a rhythm. Sometimes he tries a happy medium (like Game 6), and is this fake aggressive where he takes his shots, but they're all from the perimeter and he visibly shoots with zero confidence. It's like he's taking his shots just to tell himself that he stayed aggressive--but I never had any faith that those jumpers were going to go in when he shot them--and it looked like he felt the same when he shot them.

So what's with this guy right? He's not mentally weak inherently--otherwise he wouldn't have gotten to this point in his career (while dropping his semi-regular great performances)--but he's also not consistently strong either. One could make an argument that he's mentally average, but I don't even think you could even say that he's a middle of the pack type of guy--because he has these great games semi-regularly where he's completely in the zone and the most confident guy on the court--and then he has games with zero swag.

So is Jeremy just a nutjob? Prototypical sixth man?

Over time, I've come to think that the answer to all his mentality issues is just that the guy is REALLY CONSCIOUS of his strengths and weaknesses at all times. The main problem is that he just thinks too much. It seems to me that even in-game, he's always conscious that he's very good at driving to the rim, and he also knows that the other team knows this, so he's always trying to recognize when the opposing team is packing the paint against his drives. He's always thinking--sometimes not reacting--and in that mind, he is also aware of the scary fact that his shot is subpar. He knows all that stuff. So he saw Miami packing the paint against him, and he thought the logical thing to do was to shoot his midrange J to counter them. Problem is, of course, he also knows his shot is worse than subpar right now--it's broken. So the mind**** occurs. He doesn't drive because of inner-logic and reasoning, and then he shoots a J, but his Js are going to brick before he even shoots them because of his inner-critic. He screws himself up way too often like this--and so in the second half--he forcibly tried to turn off the logic brain and just tried to drive recklessly. Didn't work. He wasn't in any flow. Had no feel for the game.

This is half of the reason I'm on the verge of giving up on the guy as a top-third level Starting PG. He has a tendency to defeat himself before the opponent even gets to him. The other half of the reasoning is because of the lack of tremendous growth in his skill-set over the years--I've just been very disappointed in his approach to learning the game.

To me, it's always seemed obvious that Jeremy feels out of place in the league because he's Asian, and that his response to that has been to keep his inner-circle of bball connections pretty closed off. He's been with his no-connection agent, his personal bball trainer (also an Asian guy), and his High School coach (for shooting) since his Undrafting. You can call that loyalty, but it's also a failure to step outside of his comfort area to grow. It's only been last off-season where it seemed like he started to accept himself and his place in the league more, and actually tried going out of his circle a little bit to find some help with his midrange game and handles--and guess what--now his mid-range actually exists, and his handles have improved the most visibly since any other season.

Who would've thought bro? People who exist outside your inner-circle can teach you things they can't.

So why did this dude wait to go outside of his circle until now? It's probably just because he felt socially out of place in the NBA landscape (which he's talked about plenty of times) to seek help among the established landscape, but that's a choice that has been insanely stupid and hurtful for his growth.

Case in point, In regards to his previous 3 off-seasons (before this last one)--the training his inner-circle gave him has always been focused intensely on shooting spot-up 3s, and finishing on drives off the triple-threat--the former is something I have no issue with (since it was a weakness), but the latter was something he's always been good at--and the fact that they didn't regularly make it a point to drill post/iso/midrange moves is what really damns their process in my eyes. What the hell was the point of such a limited regimen? Even his (recent) inclusion of a mid-range moves (which he should've been working on since his Drafting) only came to pass because he had to play in Byron Scott's antiquated offense where those were the only shots he could get--so really--Jeremy only chose to implement the midrange game in the middle of his Lakers season when he had no other option. And only after that wreck of a season, did Jeremy (by himself) actually understand the value of a midrange game, and add it to his game. How ridiculous is that, that his inner-circle of trainers didn't have the basketball IQ to realize a driving-point guard needed a midrange counter to his drives (not a major dose of spot-up 3 point drills?!?). This total lack of intelligence in approach (to me), would typically come off as incredibly lazy to me--except that it's well documented that Jeremy puts hard work in every off-season--so I know he's not lazy, but that just leaves the option that he's always been training incredibly stupid in favor of staying inside his niche.

It's just annoying as a fan of basketball to have watched this guy's journey, wanting him to grow into a talented Starting caliber player, but seeing such a poor approach along the way. For a Harvard grad, the guy has always trained so narrow-mindedly--which pains me, because he also works very hard. Just very hard in a stupid way--inefficient. But back on topic, for someone's comment in this thread, he's a lot better than Jarrett Jack--and especially Larkin (Come on dude, seriously?).

I think Jeremy is already an average starting caliber PG in this era (a golden era of PGs), so that's pretty good--but I also think his potential has always been higher than this--and I'm disappointed that he's probably not going to reach it because of his poor approach (which have always been fixable). I really wish he would have had a HOF-talent level coach to help him out when he was younger, because I think that could have taught him a broader vision of what the game really is. As is--Jeremy has always had a mindset that is too literal--too un-nuanced. He's never developed the eye to see the nuance of the skills he actually needed to acquire for his game.

TLDR: Jeremy sucks, but I think he'll have a great game tomorrow.
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Post#209 » by rallydurham » Sun May 1, 2016 6:59 am

Its a big game for Lin in terms of his media profile. A lot of eyes will be on the heat tomorrow and Lins style tends to make him extremely noticeable. Also he is definitely one of the more hot/cold players in the league.

If he has a big game he'll definitely get more media attention during his free agency. Its much harder for casual fans to notice the impact of low usage wings or defensive players.

If he has a big role and we take the Heat down they'll be plenty of fan bases clamoring for him this offseason. Whereas if he has another game 6 meltdown it might be the final nail in the coffin for linsanity.

No telling what his role or what team he's on going forward.
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Post#210 » by arthy704 » Sun May 1, 2016 7:01 am

I got a feeling Jeremy Lin is going to show out this game


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Post#211 » by 2k15 » Sun May 1, 2016 7:55 am

I am rewatching game 6 because I can't sleep. Jeremy didn't play as bad as I thought watching it live. Other than missing shots, he played solid. You're gonna have off-shooting nights from time to time. He can't really drive because Heat has made defending the paint a priority. Sagging off on Marvin and switching on PnR. We need to pass the ball better.
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Post#212 » by rallydurham » Sun May 1, 2016 7:57 am

I'm friends with one of jeremy ex teammates. He says he keeps his circle tight because he has to. He gets unbelievable amounts of business proposal, fan/media requests, etc .

Like imagine being Michael Jordan in terms of adoration and attention but you aren't the intimidating presence or superstar jordan is. I mean joe schmoe isn't gonna pitch a Chinese sports drink to Shaq in the supermarket. Far east Asian media is a little out there and not always as experienced or professional with the type of attention and questions they give... I mean look at that crazy question draymond green got asked about how they win when it floods in houston..

Jeremy Lin is not better than peak Jarrett Jack. Jack had several very good years in his prime. They are very comparable. Jack was a borderline starter/elite backup pg for several years. If he'd stayed in golden state for their renaissance he'd be a household name right now.

And i specifically said lin is better than Larkin in my post. Both of you just misinterpreted.

^ lin was very bad in game 6. He missed a ton of shots and turned the ball over. If he has a good game we win. If he has an average game we're 50/50. He's just a hot/cold player. It's one of the reasons he's overrated. People tend to remember good games more than bad ones. He stands out more than a guy who is just consistently average. If a guy goes 2/5 every game we think he's blah. But if he goes 7/9 one game and 1/11 the next he's a star. Look at kobe, carmelo, etc. Everyone tends to focus on the big scoring outbursts and shrug off the missed shots. Carmelo finally started getting called out on it but it took a decade for people to realize he wasn't an elite player.
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Post#213 » by 2k15 » Sun May 1, 2016 8:31 am

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^ lin was very bad in game 6. He missed a ton of shots and turned the ball over. If he has a good game we win. If he has an average game we're 50/50. He's just a hot/cold player. It's one of the reasons he's overrated. People tend to remember good games more than bad ones. He stands out more than a guy who is just consistently average. If a guy goes 2/5 every game we think he's blah. But if he goes 7/9 one game and 1/11 the next he's a star. Look at kobe, carmelo, etc. Everyone tends to focus on the big scoring outbursts and shrug off the missed shots. Carmelo finally started getting called out on it but it took a decade for people to realize he wasn't an elite player.



players have off-shooting nights it happens. i thought he had good looks but just cant hit them. i cant really fault him too much for that. but yes it would be great if he can hit those shots. overall, i look at the game to see the decisions that he made and really, his decisionmaking was ok for the most part. his two offensive fouls were the worst thing to happen for him that night and thats partially a function of being aggressive as much as it is bad decisionmaking.

with all of that, we were very much in the game down til the last minute until vintage wade kicked in which is why i think we have a fighters chance tomorrow.
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Post#214 » by 2k15 » Sun May 1, 2016 8:38 am

JohnStockton wrote:Over time, I've come to think that the answer to all his mentality issues is just that the guy is REALLY CONSCIOUS of his strengths and weaknesses at all times. The main problem is that he just thinks too much. It seems to me that even in-game, he's always conscious that he's very good at driving to the rim, and he also knows that the other team knows this, so he's always trying to recognize when the opposing team is packing the paint against his drives. He's always thinking--sometimes not reacting--and in that mind, he is also aware of the scary fact that his shot is subpar. He knows all that stuff. So he saw Miami packing the paint against him, and he thought the logical thing to do was to shoot his midrange J to counter them. Problem is, of course, he also knows his shot is worse than subpar right now--it's broken. So the mind**** occurs. He doesn't drive because of inner-logic and reasoning, and then he shoots a J, but his Js are going to brick before he even shoots them because of his inner-critic. He screws himself up way too often like this--and so in the second half--he forcibly tried to turn off the logic brain and just tried to drive recklessly. Didn't work. He wasn't in any flow. Had no feel for the game.


I thought he still tried to drive but would get stuck because of the Heat sagging and switching. I think we may have overstated how many mid-range Js he took - he made 1 of 4. For comparison, he also had 3 shots in the paint. Here is where I think we need to get back to our old offense. Drive and kick the ball out to our shooters.
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Post#215 » by rallydurham » Sun May 1, 2016 8:54 am

Yeah I mean we have roughly a 25% chance to win. We are gonna need kemba to have a big game obviously and get scoring from either lin, marv, or lee if batum still can't give us much.
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Post#216 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun May 1, 2016 9:42 am

JohnStockton wrote:Problem is, of course, he also knows his shot is worse than subpar right now--it's broken. So the mind**** occurs. He doesn't drive because of inner-logic and reasoning, and then he shoots a J, but his Js are going to brick before he even shoots them because of his inner-critic. He screws himself up way too often like this--and so in the second half--he forcibly tried to turn off the logic brain and just tried to drive recklessly. Didn't work. He wasn't in any flow. Had no feel for the game.

This is half of the reason I'm on the verge of giving up on the guy as a top-third level Starting PG. He has a tendency to defeat himself before the opponent even gets to him.

Wait, his J's pretty much for sure gonna improve?

The other half of the reasoning is because of the lack of tremendous growth in his skill-set over the years--I've just been very disappointed in his approach to learning the game.

Even his (recent) inclusion of a mid-range moves (which he should've been working on since his Drafting) only came to pass because he had to play in Byron Scott's antiquated offense where those were the only shots he could get--so really--Jeremy only chose to implement the midrange game in the middle of his Lakers season when he had no other option. And only after that wreck of a season, did Jeremy (by himself) actually understand the value of a midrange game, and add it to his game. How ridiculous is that, that his inner-circle of trainers didn't have the basketball IQ to realize a driving-point guard needed a midrange counter to his drives (not a major dose of spot-up 3 point drills?!?).

Not so sure. Didn't Lin have a midrange game in NYK but had to play Moreyball in Houston?

But back on topic, for someone's comment in this thread, he's a lot better than Jarrett Jack.

Agreed. One could possibly argue that JJ is the better scorer, but for a starting facilitating PG, no contest.

I think Jeremy is already an average starting caliber PG in this era (a golden era of PGs), so that's pretty good--but I also think his potential has always been higher than this--and I'm disappointed that he's probably not going to reach it because of his poor approach (which have always been fixable). I really wish he would have had a HOF-talent level coach to help him out when he was younger, because I think that could have taught him a broader vision of what the game really is. As is--Jeremy has always had a mindset that is too literal--too un-nuanced. He's never developed the eye to see the nuance of the skills he actually needed to acquire for his game.

Well, since no good college programs wanted him......
TLDR: Jeremy sucks, but I think he'll have a great game tomorrow.

Let's go J Lin! :nod:

rallydurham wrote: Whereas if he has another game 6 meltdown it might be the final nail in the coffin for linsanity.

In your dirty mind, thx for the anti-jinx.

rallydurham wrote:He's just a hot/cold player. It's one of the reasons he's overrated.

Kenny Smith and Isiah Thomas are looking at you in the eyes, saying, "Lin is underrated."
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#217 » by rallydurham » Sun May 1, 2016 10:12 am

Isiah Thomas is one of the worst people to have on your side in this argument. He ran the Knicks into the ground.

And Kenny smith who cares he's a tv show hype man. Just because he commented on lin having a good game after a good game means nothing. I mean the guy beside him is charles barkley who is typically uninformed about the modern nba.

Jarrett jack was a better shooter unquestionably. He shot over 40% from 3s twice. He averaged 7.4 ast this year at age 32 which is more than double what lin averaged (3.0) this year. If jeremy lin gets 7 assists it's a lead story on ESPN and it gets retweeted 18,792 times in all 24 timezones before I can finish reading the article.


It's a very suitable comparison. Hes a solid yet somewhat forgettable journeyman if he's not an Asian no-name overnight sensation from harvard whose doing it in New York bright lights.

If this was a black guy from University of Maryland who got hot for 2 weeks in Milwaukee while Khris Middleton was hurt and they won a few games we would not still be talking about him incessantly five years later. Thats just reality. He'd be comparable to Jarrett Jack in terms of attention. Solid, not spectacular. Can help you win a few games but not a guy anyone would build their roster around, make posters for, or be excited for his bobble head night.
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Post#218 » by bws94 » Sun May 1, 2016 1:12 pm

John Stockton, yeah. Lin just needs to not think so dang on much. Just play with determination and if he does that, we'll get the good Lin. I'm happy to see most of the Hyde to Lin's Jeckyll hasn't shown up until game 6. He'd be a big-game player were it not for his super conscious awareness of his own limitations and strengths.
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Post#219 » by bws94 » Sun May 1, 2016 1:22 pm

rallydurham wrote:Yeah I mean we have roughly a 25% chance to win. We are gonna need kemba to have a big game obviously and get scoring from either lin, marv, or lee if batum still can't give us much.


We don't need Kemba to have a big game. We can win in a variety of ways. Maybe Marv will be a big contributor but Marv and Courtney need to give us more than 2 points combined. If Kemba tries to do too much we'll likely lose. We need solid contributions from more of the team because one guy scoring a lot of points has resulted in losses. In our game 3 the scoring was balanced with Lin having the highest points at only 18.

I think we have a way better than 25 percent chance to win even if that's all odds makers give us.

Have fun watching those that can watch. I'm headed out the door.

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Post#220 » by rallydurham » Sun May 1, 2016 1:44 pm

Yeah I mean it's actually more like 27-28% but we are splitting hairs. We're obviously big underdogs today. Gonna take a minor miracle

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