Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[marcush]

Given Dellys limitations as a floor general, you would only really look at him for starters minutes if you could pair him with a James, Giannis, Harden or Simmons type. And this sorta limits his earning capacity IMO. Even after last years finals he got a bit over the minimum.

If we get Simmons id go to 7-8 mill for Delly.

If we get Ingram I wouldn't even pursue him and would look at a floor general to start.

[XtremeDunkz]

No Delly, No Derozan

Give me one of Batum or Courtnee Lee. Mike Conley in a pipe dream. Jeremy Lin on a short term deal would be okay.

[Agnostifarian]

Here's an "Oh, ****!" thought... If you suspect that the Colangelos are narcissists, does Sonny C make a deal with TOR to bring Valanciunas and Lowry to PHI in exchange for Sam's Bounty? Sonny has shown blind love for his draft picks (Bargnani) and overpays vets (Kapono/Calderon)... He could piss away Okafor/TJ/LAL pick/RC3,... and really put his signature on the team.

Is this what Philly has been waiting for?

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

[Sixteen]

I am hoping that we cash in on our assets. We have so many that we probably could keep one of Noel/Saric/Embiid/Okafor/Top 4 pick. I would like to see us pursue CP3 if he is on the market and/or Blake Griffin. Durant & Cousins would immediately make us a favorite in the east despite our dubious repetation. Role players would flock to these hypothetical teams. They always do.

[Att]

I am hoping that we cash in on our assets. We have so many that we probably could keep one of Noel/Saric/Embiid/Okafor/Top 4 pick. I would like to see us pursue CP3 if he is on the market and/or Blake Griffin. Durant & Cousins would immediately make us a favorite in the east despite our dubious repetation. Role players would flock to these hypothetical teams. They always do.

Is that a real message?

[Att]

Here's an "Oh, ****!" thought... If you suspect that the Colangelos are narcissists, does Sonny C make a deal with TOR to bring Valanciunas and Lowry to PHI in exchange for Sam's Bounty? Sonny has shown blind love for his draft picks (Bargnani) and overpays vets (Kapono/Calderon)... He could piss away Okafor/TJ/LAL pick/RC3,... and really put his signature on the team.

Is this what Philly has been waiting for?

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Actually, it's a really bad summary of what happened (in the link). It was a lot worse.

[Agnostifarian]

Here's an "Oh, ****!" thought... If you suspect that the Colangelos are narcissists, does Sonny C make a deal with TOR to bring Valanciunas and Lowry to PHI in exchange for Sam's Bounty? Sonny has shown blind love for his draft picks (Bargnani) and overpays vets (Kapono/Calderon)... He could piss away Okafor/TJ/LAL pick/RC3,... and really put his signature on the team.

Is this what Philly has been waiting for?

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Actually, it's a really bad summary of what happened (in the link). It was a lot worse.

Sonny C has no investment in anything that has happened in Philly over the last three years. He is going to clean house.

I expect that he will keep JoJo because his trade value is low and he still has a high ceiling. I think he will clear out Okafor and Noel. If he drafts Simmons, I think you can kiss Saric goodbye.

This is the pinnacle of the Colangelo Legacy. Ownership sucks. This is a clown show. Bryan Will keep running his mouth and the local media is going to eat it up. Welcome to the shortcut to the middle.

[Sportfan73]

Here's an "Oh, ****!" thought... If you suspect that the Colangelos are narcissists, does Sonny C make a deal with TOR to bring Valanciunas and Lowry to PHI in exchange for Sam's Bounty? Sonny has shown blind love for his draft picks (Bargnani) and overpays vets (Kapono/Calderon)... He could piss away Okafor/TJ/LAL pick/RC3,... and really put his signature on the team.

Is this what Philly has been waiting for?

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Actually, it's a really bad summary of what happened (in the link). It was a lot worse.

Sonny C has no investment in anything that has happened in Philly over the last three years. He is going to clean house.

I expect that he will keep JoJo because his trade value is low and he still has a high ceiling. I think he will clear out Okafor and Noel. If he drafts Simmons, I think you can kiss Saric goodbye.

This is the pinnacle of the Colangelo Legacy. Ownership sucks. This is a clown show. Bryan Will keep running his mouth and the local media is going to eat it up. Welcome to the shortcut to the middle.

I think okafor has the best chance of staying because he was already a 17 ppg scorer as a rookie and will most likely break 20 this year, Noel isn't flashy, contract is up next year, and teams will probably be more attracted too. I also agree though if we get Simmons all bets are off minus embiid.

[Unbreakable99]

Actually, it's a really bad summary of what happened (in the link). It was a lot worse.

Sonny C has no investment in anything that has happened in Philly over the last three years. He is going to clean house.

I expect that he will keep JoJo because his trade value is low and he still has a high ceiling. I think he will clear out Okafor and Noel. If he drafts Simmons, I think you can kiss Saric goodbye.

This is the pinnacle of the Colangelo Legacy. Ownership sucks. This is a clown show. Bryan Will keep running his mouth and the local media is going to eat it up. Welcome to the shortcut to the middle.

I think okafor has the best chance of staying because he was already a 17 ppg scorer as a rookie and will most likely break 20 this year, Noel isn't flashy, contract is up next year, and teams will probably be more attracted too. I also agree though if we get Simmons all bets are off minus embiid.

I think Okafor will score fewer points next season. Embiid will play and that will take shots away. Whoever we get from pick 1-4 will take shots away. Whoever we get in free agency will take shots away. I think if Okafor is still in the team his ppg could drop to 13-14.

[Sixteen]

I am hoping that we cash in on our assets. We have so many that we probably could keep one of Noel/Saric/Embiid/Okafor/Top 4 pick. I would like to see us pursue CP3 if he is on the market and/or Blake Griffin. Durant & Cousins would immediately make us a favorite in the east despite our dubious repetation. Role players would flock to these hypothetical teams. They always do.

Is that a real message?

Yup. Closing in on two decades as a 76ers fan and I've been entertained with nothing but convential moves. I'd love to see us be bold for once.

[Agnostifarian]

I am hoping that we cash in on our assets. We have so many that we probably could keep one of Noel/Saric/Embiid/Okafor/Top 4 pick. I would like to see us pursue CP3 if he is on the market and/or Blake Griffin. Durant & Cousins would immediately make us a favorite in the east despite our dubious repetation. Role players would flock to these hypothetical teams. They always do.

Is that a real message?

Yup. Closing in on two decades as a 76ers fan and I've been entertained with nothing but convential moves. I'd love to see us be bold for once.

Convention went out the door with this ownership group. They mortgaged the future on Bynum. Swing and a miss. They tried to climb out of that hole by moving us into the modern world of analytics which became three years of cult following they called Trusting the Process. Pulled the rug out on that one. Now we have stopped rebuilding and have started building. It sounds like a continuation of "Together we Build"... except there is no together. There is Daddy and Sonny on a farewell tour. They have sixty years of NBA experience and Zero Titles. They don't care about developing a team that can compete for years. All they want is their first title.

Winning is hard and it takes luck. The Clippers might have had a window this year if not for CP3 and Blake going down. Jerry is old and could die any day now. He and Sonny are going to take shortcuts. Even though the sun can shine on a dog's ass, history is not on their side. I suspect they will **** up. That will be another swing and a miss by this crappy ownership group.

What's next? Phil Jackson takes over as President, GM and home games Head Coach to run the triangle?

I'm begging for the team to be sold.

[steveb21]

LMAO begging for the team to be sold? And what if Jerry Colangelo buys it?

[PhilasFinest]

I think people seriously underestimate how hard it is to build a "championship" contender/ dynasty. Its talked about here like its a simple process that takes a few years of sucking and BOOM, you draft X,Y,Z and put them in a blender with cap space and have a dynasty.

Its simply rare.You need so many things to go right and luck to fall into your lap on more than 1 occasion.
Hinkie may have had patience and a "plan", but that plan simply revolved around getting lucky. The Process could seriously have taken 20 years depending on how things bounced in there favor.

Yes there are some good GM's out there who get things right more often then not, but theres a select group of them and they aren't readily available.

[Negrodamus]

I think people seriously underestimate how hard it is to build a "championship" contender/ dynasty. Its talked about here like its a simple process that takes a few years of sucking and BOOM, you draft X,Y,Z and put them in a blender with cap space and have a dynasty.

Its simply rare.You need so many things to go right and luck to fall into your lap on more than 1 occasion.
Hinkie may have had patience and a "plan", but that plan simply revolved around getting lucky. The Process could seriously have taken 20 years depending on how things bounced in there favor.

Yes there are some good GM's out there who get things right more often then not, but theres a select group of them and they aren't readily available.

But you have to acknowledge that getting a top pick in the draft for multiple years will add a potential superstar talent that we simply cannot allure in FA. So, yes, you do need to get lucky, but there are ways to minimize the luck. Having the ability to choose anyone in this upcoming draft will reduce luck. "The Rape of Sacramento" trade will reduce luck. Adding more picks (Thunder/Heat even though they didn't turn out great) reduces luck.

On top of all that, Hinkie had shown he can find talent. MCW was ROY. Jerami Grant, Covington, TJ McConnell. I mean, those guy are NBA players. Hinkie found them because he was flexible with the roster and didn't sign a bunch of post prime vets to appease the NBA.

I do agree that it's a crapshoot, but a GM can certainly stack the odds in their favor. Hinkie did that.

[Ericb5]

I think people seriously underestimate how hard it is to build a "championship" contender/ dynasty. Its talked about here like its a simple process that takes a few years of sucking and BOOM, you draft X,Y,Z and put them in a blender with cap space and have a dynasty.

Its simply rare.You need so many things to go right and luck to fall into your lap on more than 1 occasion.
Hinkie may have had patience and a "plan", but that plan simply revolved around getting lucky. The Process could seriously have taken 20 years depending on how things bounced in there favor.

Yes there are some good GM's out there who get things right more often then not, but theres a select group of them and they aren't readily available.

I think that Hinkie supporters support him so fervently precisely BECAUSE we know how difficult it is to build a contender. The problem with most approaches is that they take short cuts to mediocrity when they should be taking the long view. Taking the long view doesn't mean 20 years of tanking. It just means that all decisions are made to maximize value over the long term. Drafting high ceiling players and then focusing on developing them.

Most teams never go into "asset acquisition" mode, and that is a stone cold mistake for teams that need to rebuild. That mode only needs to last long enough to stock the shelves with either homegrown high ceiling talent, or the assets that can be traded for high ceiling talent.

Our asset acquisition phase lasted 3 years, and if Embiid's foot was fixed last summer it may have only needed to last 2 years.


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[Sixerscan]

Thank heavens now we have Bryan Colangelo who will install a plan that doesn't involve luck and will definitely lead to a title.

[Agnostifarian]

Thank heavens now we have Bryan Colangelo who will install a plan that doesn't involve luck and will definitely lead to a title.

Thankfully, we now have true basketball guys with basketball ideas. That is what has been missing. But now, with an infusion of basketballedness, they will build us a winning balance of veteran basketball guys and basketball glue guys. In fact, we are going to get so much basketballedness in PHI that we're going to get sick of it!

Have you heard that the team is considering new uniforms? Yeah, it makes good basketball sense. We are going to be renamed the Lightning Kites. 60 years of NBA experience, basketball experience, says a good building plan starts with a catchy name change.

Enough already!

So, Sonny C is starting his front office with WAS execs? What is so great about their basketball accomplishments? They don't draft well and they can't win with John Wall. What will they do for PHI? Unless they bring Wall with them, I am not optimistic.

Why am I reading that Randy Wittman could be an alternative to Brett Brown? Sonny C is foreshadowing. That's what a basketball exec does. He communicates. It helps build fan awareness and creates a buzz for the the press and player reps. Building a basketball culture. This is so exciting!! Sonny C's Lightning Kites... I can't wait to see the new ballcaps!!!

[Negrodamus]

Thank heavens now we have Bryan Colangelo who will install a plan that doesn't involve luck and will definitely lead to a title.

Thankfully, we now have true basketball guys with basketball ideas. That is what has been missing. But now, with an infusion of basketballedness, they will build us a winning balance of veteran basketball guys and basketball glue guys. In fact, we are going to get so much basketballedness in PHI that we're going to get sick of it!

Have you heard that the team is considering new uniforms? Yeah, it makes good basketball sense. We are going to be renamed the Lightning Kites. 60 years of NBA experience, basketball experience, says a good building plan starts with a catchy name change.

Enough already!

So, Sonny C is starting his front office with WAS execs? What is so great about their basketball accomplishments? They don't draft well and they can't win with John Wall. What will they do for PHI? Unless they bring Wall with them, I am not optimistic.

Why am I reading that Randy Wittman could be an alternative to Brett Brown? Sonny C is foreshadowing. That's what a basketball exec does. He communicates. It helps build fan awareness and creates a buzz for the the press and player reps. Building a basketball culture. This is so exciting!! Sonny C's Lightning Kites... I can't wait to see the new ballcaps!!!

I'm not seeing anything about Randy Wittman being linked to us. There was a speculation piece, but no rumors.

I'm not crazy about the hire either, but the guy hasn't made one move yet. I think we should hold off before painting him like some maniacal trading loose cannon. He hasn't done anything to sour my opinion yet.

[PhilasFinest]

Thank heavens now we have Bryan Colangelo who will install a plan that doesn't involve luck and will definitely lead to a title.

Thankfully, we now have true basketball guys with basketball ideas. That is what has been missing. But now, with an infusion of basketballedness, they will build us a winning balance of veteran basketball guys and basketball glue guys. In fact, we are going to get so much basketballedness in PHI that we're going to get sick of it!

Have you heard that the team is considering new uniforms? Yeah, it makes good basketball sense. We are going to be renamed the Lightning Kites. 60 years of NBA experience, basketball experience, says a good building plan starts with a catchy name change.

Enough already!

So, Sonny C is starting his front office with WAS execs? What is so great about their basketball accomplishments? They don't draft well and they can't win with John Wall. What will they do for PHI? Unless they bring Wall with them, I am not optimistic.

Why am I reading that Randy Wittman could be an alternative to Brett Brown? Sonny C is foreshadowing. That's what a basketball exec does. He communicates. It helps build fan awareness and creates a buzz for the the press and player reps. Building a basketball culture. This is so exciting!! Sonny C's Lightning Kites... I can't wait to see the new ballcaps!!!

I'm not seeing anything about Randy Wittman being linked to us. There was a speculation piece, but no rumors.

I'm not crazy about the hire either, but the guy hasn't made one move yet. I think we should hold off before painting him like some maniacal trading loose cannon. He hasn't done anything to sour my opinion yet.

I love how every single time someone gets a job in sports, the 1st thing that happens is they are linked to every former player/coach/etc and everyone speculates the band being reunited.

Last week we were trading the moon for Rudy Gay or looking for the next Kyle Lowry in the draft. Every little white PG will be our target in the mid rounds of the draft to find Steve Nash's lost little brother and Franklin the Dog is rumored to be on the chopping block for either a dunking Gorilla or Dinosaur.

[Sixerscan]

I would be cool with bringing the Gorilla in.