Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

[yosemiteben]

Saying how much he likes to remain in Charlotte will only help his bargaining power elsewhere.

Does he come across as the sort of guy that plays games through the media to you?

[fatlever]

Just a friendly reminder...

I realize the game 7 loss and how it played out stirred up a lot of emotions in everyone. That is understandable. However, this is a reminder that all the rules that have been in play over the past few months still apply to this thread and any other threads on the board.

Lin fans attempting to derail this thread or any other threads into Kemba bashing, Clifford bashing, Lin vs Kemba etc... in a poorly disguised attempt to make Lin look better will not be tolerated and will result in suspensions. I think we have made that painfully clear by now. Also, turning this thread or any other offseason threads into a blatant discussions about where Lin should sign other than with the Hornets will not be tolerated and will result in suspensions. There are just too many Lin fans here for us to allow this board or any subthreads on the board to become the home of Lin to Brooklyn or Lin to Dallas conversations. There are plenty of Lin dedicated sites on the Internet for that type of discussion. You can also make another attempt at a Lin free agency thread on the GB or you can go directly to the board of the new team you want Lin to sign with and start a discussion there. This is not the place for that type of conversation. All that will do is divide the board into Lin fans vs Hornets fans and that is not what we want to promote.

That is not to say that we cannot still have healthy debates that involve some of these topics, but it needs to be done in a manner that is respectful of the Hornets board and long-time Hornets fans.

There are a lot of good, insightful posters in this thread that I hope stick around in the offseason and participate in discussions across all Hornets related topics.

[fatlever]

Rod Boone ‏@rodboone 6m6 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Jeremy Lin said he "absolutely" wants to return to @hornets. Said he'd even take a discount and this season was most fun he's had in @nba.

That is great news for Hornets fans (and I'd hope that would be great news for many Lin fans who are interested in seeing Lin be happy above all else).

I hope both parties can figure out a way to make Lin a long-time Hornet.

[qiantom]

Rod Boone ‏@rodboone 6m6 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Jeremy Lin said he "absolutely" wants to return to @hornets. Said he'd even take a discount and this season was most fun he's had in @nba.

That is great news for Hornets fans (and I'd hope that would be great news for many Lin fans who are interested in seeing Lin be happy above all else).

I hope both parties can figure out a way to make Lin a long-time Hornet.

This is expected from Lin. Money is one of the least important factors in his decision. He is happy in Charlotte and it is one of the main factors. The other main factor is whether he gets an offer to start somewhere else, which then probably makes it a tough decision for him.

[steady]

I think Lin's being genuine

If he had two offers on table for somewhat similar roles even if other team offered a bit more money, even a substantial bit, I can see Lin choosing to stay here.

His emotion is going to tug him here. No question

But it's if the offers start to really diverge that things become difficult - and that could happen given the number of players Charlotte is going to want to retain, and given Lin's skill set (parts of which are somewhat underutilized here - and I'm not talking about starting or not)



Courtney Lee's comments about the guys having talked about all staying together is interesting

But how deep discounts will they take?

[Travers]

Saying how much he likes to remain in Charlotte will only help his bargaining power elsewhere.

Does he come across as the sort of guy that plays games through the media to you?

You can call it strategy.

[fatlever]

All the Lin quotes in one page

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/727156128598118400[/tweet]

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‏@rodboone

Jeremy Lin said he "absolutely" wants to return to @hornets. Said he'd even take a discount and this season was most fun he's had in @nba.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/727159662810800133[/tweet]

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Asked Lin if plan is to opt out, sign long-term deal with @hornets: "Yeah I think that would be the perfect situation if that could happen."

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/727159933062389761[/tweet]

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‏@rodboone

Asked Lin if it's more about best fit for him as he determines his next move. Said he wants to be happy and have fun, and is tired of moving

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/727160051941539844[/tweet]

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‏@rodboone

Lin: "I've been paid on the lower end and had a blast, and I've been paid on the higher end and not enjoyed it at all."

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/727167010631618560[/tweet]

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‏@rodboone

Lin on money not being the biggest factor in where he signs this offseason: "I don't really care that much about money."

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/727167146912940033[/tweet]

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‏@rodboone

Lin: "Me coming here showed that I was willing to come for whatever to find a situation I felt like would be best for me ... on the court."

[2k15]

I think Lin's being genuine

If he had two offers on table for somewhat similar roles even if other team offered a bit more money, even a substantial bit, I can see Lin choosing to stay here.

His emotion is going to tug him here. No question

But it's if the offers start to really diverge that things become difficult - and that could happen given the number of players Charlotte is going to want to retain, and given Lin's skill set (parts of which are somewhat underutilized here - and I'm not talking about starting or not)



Courtney Lee's comments about the guys having talked about all staying together is interesting

But how deep discounts will they take?

Link to Lee's comments? If they talked, then Batum's comments make a lot more sense. He is the FA with the most leverage and he is trying to exert some pressure on the front office.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SteveReedAP/status/727155940911370242[/tweet]

[fatlever]

I might need to bookmark this page to have it handy for the summer. I don't think Lin could have been any clearer on what he wants to happen this summer. He clearly loves playing for the Hornets, Clifford and this group of guys. I don't think anyone can claim otherwise. Anyone who wants Lin to be happy, should want him to remain in Charlotte.

Now, obviously its a long summer and anything can happen. We could have a highly rated PG drop to #22 in the draft and we have no choice but to draft him and give him a path to backup PG. Something like that would clearly impact the decision for Lin to return, from both sides. We might get a trade offer for a PG/combo guard that we cannot refuse.

And for all we know, Cho may have other plans for the money, despite what Lin wants.

But, Its a great sign that Lin is saying these things about wanting to be here, making it painfully clear he wants to return.

[Roy Tarpley]

I'm not sure what the point is about speculating what Lin will do. It's clear that he likes playing for the Hornets and his teammates. It's also clear that he would like to be a starter or maximize his playing time (as any 27-year old NBA player would prefer). So the bottom line is that it will be a tough decision for Jeremy based on a set of factors that have not materialized yet, including what types of other offers he gets (starting role, salary, location, coach, teammates, etc.) and what personnel moves the Hornets make during the off-season (e.g., waive Al, sign certain players for less than expected, sign a Horford or Howard, etc.).

The free agency moratorium ends on July 7 so I'm sure there will be a lot of fun chatter and rumors in June through the middle of July.

[fatlever]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/727165928488628228[/tweet]

Charlotte Hornets ‏@hornets 2h2 hours ago

“He’s a very good defender. He’s got toughness and he’s very strong… he can battle in the post, he’s physical.” Coach Cliff on @JLin7

[steady]

I think Lin's being genuine

If he had two offers on table for somewhat similar roles even if other team offered a bit more money, even a substantial bit, I can see Lin choosing to stay here.

His emotion is going to tug him here. No question

But it's if the offers start to really diverge that things become difficult - and that could happen given the number of players Charlotte is going to want to retain, and given Lin's skill set (parts of which are somewhat underutilized here - and I'm not talking about starting or not)



Courtney Lee's comments about the guys having talked about all staying together is interesting

But how deep discounts will they take?

Link to Lee's comments? If they talked, then Batum's comments make a lot more sense. He is the FA with the most leverage and he is trying to exert some pressure on the front office.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SteveReedAP/status/727155940911370242[/tweet]

I can't remember where I saw C Lee's statement unfortunately - but he said something like the guys had talked about free agency and they would like to all stsy together

Bottom line -Lin is lucky to have found a place that he wants to be that also wants him to stay. That's a major great thing.

[KungFuJoe]

I thought Cliff treated Lin very well. It was rare that I thought he didn't get the minutes he deserved or got pulled too early. I've been watching Lin since his NY days and after seeing how McHale and Scott treated him...Cliff must feel like Santa Claus to Lin. And I think he's a very good coach.

Also there are no egos on the Hornets. None. Even if you want to call Kemba a chucker, that guy plays so damn hard and gives it his all, I don't think his teammates or coach cares that he sometimes shoots too much. Plus he's won them some huge games so there's that too. After having to play with Harden and Howard....my god can you imagine playing with those two?

I think Lin genuinely wants to stay and the only thing stopping him would be an offer he can't refuse as a starter somewhere or if offseason moves happened that would put his playing time in serious jeopardy.

[hollandog]

I like how Lin is contributing from the bench as the 6th or 7th guy. I hope he stays and found it a home in Charlotte. I don't care about all those LOF comments. A lot of them were obviously trolls with agenda god knows why. I enjoyed watching this team play this season. Hope the next one will maintain as much heart as these guys bring.

[13th Man]

I'm not sure what the point is about speculating what Lin will do. It's clear that he likes playing for the Hornets and his teammates. It's also clear that he would like to be a starter or maximize his playing time (as any 27-year old NBA player would prefer). So the bottom line is that it will be a tough decision for Jeremy based on a set of factors that have not materialized yet, including what types of other offers he gets (starting role, salary, location, coach, teammates, etc.) and what personnel moves the Hornets make during the off-season (e.g., waive Al, sign certain players for less than expected, sign a Horford or Howard, etc.).

The free agency moratorium ends on July 7 so I'm sure there will be a lot of fun chatter and rumors in June through the middle of July.

That's the point of being in a discussion forum, to have your own voice and opinion. I've been involved with discussion boards for decades so I appreciate the forums where I don't have to be a robot, otherwise I'd just visit Wikipedia to simply add cold hard facts. I think the moderation here have been great, just not sure where this line is where we can express our opinions about his FA choices or if we're able to at all. For instance, if he gets an offer from Team X, are we not allowed to express how we think he'd perform with Team X?

It's cool though that Lin wants to say here, I think it's a great place for him to slowly develop. We, as fans may have differing opinions as to which environment he would be most prosperous in but at the end of the day it's up to Lin and what makes HIM happy.

[hood30]

Very interesting quote by Lin indeed. Looks like he clearly would like to stay if everything is right. Just like the previous poster stated, unless he gets an offer in which he can't refuse like 10+ million/per and starting role, Lin will be back as a Hornets at a discount.

[fatlever]

just not sure where this line is where we can express our opinions about his FA choices or if we're able to at all. For instance, if he gets an offer from Team X, are we not allowed to express how we think he'd perform with Team X?

Obviously if he gets an offer from a different team during free agency, that would be news worthy on the Hornets forum and worthy of a discussion here, such as should Hornets try to counter-offer, what options do the Hornets have as a replacement, how will losing Lin impact the team?

Talking about how Lin might fit in with his new team or wishing for Lin to join a new team seems like a discussion that would be better for the forum of new team and not exactly a discussion of interest for Hornets fans. Why would Lin fans want to have a discussion about how Lin fits with the Nets on the Hornets forum? I certainly would not expect to see anyone in the Batum forum openly wishing Batum left the Hornets to sign with the Raptors and then proceeding to talk about how the Raptors would be a better fit etc...

What I want to avoid is creating an atmosphere here in the Hornets forum, like many of the dedicated Lin forums, where people are openly wishing for Lin to leave the Hornets and sign with a new team because they feel this is a bad situation for him (for what ever reasons they may have). I'd treat those conversations not much differently than a troll from another forum badmouthing the franchise and stirring up trouble.

[13th Man]

just not sure where this line is where we can express our opinions about his FA choices or if we're able to at all. For instance, if he gets an offer from Team X, are we not allowed to express how we think he'd perform with Team X?

Obviously if he gets an offer from a different team during free agency, that would be news worthy on the Hornets forum and worthy of a discussion here, such as should Hornets try to counter-offer, what options do the Hornets have as a replacement, how will losing Lin impact the team.

Talking about how Lin might fit in with his new team or wishing for Lin to join a new team seems like a discussion that would be better for the forum of new team and not exactly a discussion of interest for Hornets fans. Why would Lin fans want to have a discussion about how Lin fits with the Nets on the Hornets forum? I certainly would not expect to see anyone in the Batum forum openly wishing Batum left the Hornets to sign with the Raptors and then proceeding to talk about how the Raptors would be a better fit etc...

What I want to avoid is creating an atmosphere here in the Hornets forum, like many of the dedicated Lin forums, where people are openly wishing for Lin to leave the Hornets and sign with a new team because they feel this is a bad situation for him (for what ever reasons they may have). I'd treat those conversations not much differently than a troll from another forum badmouthing the franchise and stirring up trouble.

Ok, got it. Obviously, I respect this forum and its rules so if he does get an offer elsewhere, any opinion that I would have about that scenario will be discussed in that team forum rather than here. Thanks for the clarification.

[TinmanZBoy]

Most likely lin will settle for MLE, going to be underpaid for sure
Teams won't chase him hard anymore since he wants to take a discount to stay.

[Roy Tarpley]

I'm not sure what the point is about speculating what Lin will do. It's clear that he likes playing for the Hornets and his teammates. It's also clear that he would like to be a starter or maximize his playing time (as any 27-year old NBA player would prefer). So the bottom line is that it will be a tough decision for Jeremy based on a set of factors that have not materialized yet, including what types of other offers he gets (starting role, salary, location, coach, teammates, etc.) and what personnel moves the Hornets make during the off-season (e.g., waive Al, sign certain players for less than expected, sign a Horford or Howard, etc.).

The free agency moratorium ends on July 7 so I'm sure there will be a lot of fun chatter and rumors in June through the middle of July.

That's the point of being in a discussion forum, to have your own voice and opinion. I've been involved with discussion boards for decades so I appreciate the forums where I don't have to be a robot, otherwise I'd just visit Wikipedia to simply add cold hard facts. I think the moderation here have been great, just not sure where this line is where we can express our opinions about his FA choices or if we're able to at all. For instance, if he gets an offer from Team X, are we not allowed to express how we think he'd perform with Team X?

It's cool though that Lin wants to say here, I think it's a great place for him to slowly develop. We, as fans may have differing opinions as to which environment he would be most prosperous in but at the end of the day it's up to Lin and what makes HIM happy.

Nothing wrong with your own voice and opinion. But when people keep on repeating the same opinion, then that opinion loses individuality and value.

Multiple people have reiterated that Jeremy likes it in Charlotte, that money isn't a big concern, and that he would like to be a starter if possible. Got it. Some of these things are contradictory (e.g., staying in Charlotte and being a starter), so it's obvious that Jeremy will have to make a tough decision based on new facts in June. When those facts come out, I'd love to hear more "opinions."

If Jeremy chooses another team because of a certain situation (e.g., Philly or Brooklyn offers him a starting job or Charlotte can only offer him a small amount), then I'm sure there will be tons of opportunities to express how we think he'll perform on Philly or Brooklyn-related board.