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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#201 » by subwayJ » Mon May 2, 2016 3:18 pm

Could we trade our pick for a future pick?
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#202 » by realEAST » Mon May 2, 2016 3:18 pm

RationalGaze wrote:
realEAST wrote:What about Poeltl, while moving KAT to PF (he'd be even more dominant there, and equally impact defender)

I like Towns at Center more than I do Poeltl.


Ideally, I'd pair him with Bender, but since I dont expect for him to be there, and it is hard to move up to no. 3; I'd take Poeltl as a secure option - he'll be there and he'll be good player.
Doesn't have Davis potential, but is bigger, currently better defender and rebounder, inteligent and good passer, could develop midrange game judging from his FT. Not the worst choice.
I like KAT as C, but given the amount of phisicallity that position assumess, it might be wise to give him some rest on that end, and let Poeltl do the banging.
I think KAT dominates offensivly on both positions, he's just too versatile. This, however, extends his duration as player I'd hope.

Davis is nice option too, especially since MIN can get two for one while moving down and picking both Davis and Valentine. Wouldn't mind this at all
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#203 » by RationalGaze » Mon May 2, 2016 4:01 pm

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realEAST wrote:What about Poeltl, while moving KAT to PF (he'd be even more dominant there, and equally impact defender)

I like Towns at Center more than I do Poeltl.


Ideally, I'd pair him with Bender, but since I dont expect for him to be there, and it is hard to move up to no. 3; I'd take Poeltl as a secure option - he'll be there and he'll be good player.
Doesn't have Davis potential, but is bigger, currently better defender and rebounder, inteligent and good passer, could develop midrange game judging from his FT. Not the worst choice.
I like KAT as C, but given the amount of phisicallity that position assumess, it might be wise to give him some rest on that end, and let Poeltl do the banging.
I think KAT dominates offensivly on both positions, he's just too versatile. This, however, extends his duration as player I'd hope.

Davis is nice option too, especially since MIN can get two for one while moving down and picking both Davis and Valentine. Wouldn't mind this at all


The Wolves get Bender and we quad-peat. People are asleep on that kid and his true potential. If we want to move Kat to Power then that opens up Zubac and Poeltl to be drafted. I like both guys and see them going to Bucks and Magic respectively, but what kind of team is that going to look like for us? I think Karl will still be more potent at Center and will annoy the absolute livid out of defenses with two elite wings attacking.
Kat isn't set in stone as Davis progresses he'll play/rotate to Center for some minutes, but predominately I see Karl being a Power Forward in a Center build and position as the best fit/potential.

I'm not sold Davis can be traded down for. The Draft is in June and Davis, Cornelie, Tyler Ulis, Zubac, and other players are going to be high risers. Once people start seeing Davis' potential in person it's going to be hard to pass him up if you're even the 9th pick. You just don't get many Power Forwards with his intangibles to be honest and teams like those types. Dragan more so.

Karl is a special player so he'll be fine at the Center spot for the longevity of his career. Under Thibodeau games aren't going to be won through Kat they're going to be won collectively. That's how Thibs likes it that I know of and that'll bode well for Kat and everyone else that plays for the Wolves.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#204 » by jmoy » Mon May 2, 2016 4:40 pm

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If it is to be a shooting guard available be it Timothe, Hield, Murray, or Furkan then I'm not against that direction as next year's draft is super loaded with talent and abundant with Power Forwards/point guards so we can get one next year. We can also draft a shooting guard as well if we can't sign a free agent guard this year.



One problem on that is we should lose our draft pick next year due to the Payne-ful trade so looking to next years draft is pretty useless for the Wolves, unless they miss the playoffs next year and then I would say next year was a disappointment.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#205 » by RationalGaze » Mon May 2, 2016 4:53 pm

jmoy wrote:
RationalGaze wrote:

If it is to be a shooting guard available be it Timothe, Hield, Murray, or Furkan then I'm not against that direction as next year's draft is super loaded with talent and abundant with Power Forwards/point guards so we can get one next year. We can also draft a shooting guard as well if we can't sign a free agent guard this year.



One problem on that is we should lose our draft pick next year due to the Payne-ful trade so looking to next years draft is pretty useless for the Wolves, unless they miss the playoffs next year and then I would say next year was a disappointment.


It states it's the 2018 pick http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#206 » by john2jer » Mon May 2, 2016 4:55 pm

RationalGaze wrote:
jmoy wrote:
RationalGaze wrote:

If it is to be a shooting guard available be it Timothe, Hield, Murray, or Furkan then I'm not against that direction as next year's draft is super loaded with talent and abundant with Power Forwards/point guards so we can get one next year. We can also draft a shooting guard as well if we can't sign a free agent guard this year.



One problem on that is we should lose our draft pick next year due to the Payne-ful trade so looking to next years draft is pretty useless for the Wolves, unless they miss the playoffs next year and then I would say next year was a disappointment.


It states it's the 2018 pick http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed


Yeah, it's not until 2018. We still have our pick next year, though we can't trade it prior to making the selection because of the pick we still owe.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#207 » by realEAST » Mon May 2, 2016 4:57 pm

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RationalGaze wrote:I like Towns at Center more than I do Poeltl.


Ideally, I'd pair him with Bender, but since I dont expect for him to be there, and it is hard to move up to no. 3; I'd take Poeltl as a secure option - he'll be there and he'll be good player.
Doesn't have Davis potential, but is bigger, currently better defender and rebounder, inteligent and good passer, could develop midrange game judging from his FT. Not the worst choice.
I like KAT as C, but given the amount of phisicallity that position assumess, it might be wise to give him some rest on that end, and let Poeltl do the banging.
I think KAT dominates offensivly on both positions, he's just too versatile. This, however, extends his duration as player I'd hope.

Davis is nice option too, especially since MIN can get two for one while moving down and picking both Davis and Valentine. Wouldn't mind this at all


The Wolves get Bender and we quad-peat. People are asleep on that kid and his true potential. If we want to move Kat to Power then that opens up Zubac and Poeltl to be drafted. I like both guys and see them going to Bucks and Magic respectively, but what kind of team is that going to look like for us? I think Karl will still be more potent at Center and will annoy the absolute livid out of defenses with two elite wings attacking.
Kat isn't set in stone as Davis progresses he'll play/rotate to Center for some minutes, but predominately I see Karl being a Power Forward in a Center build and position as the best fit/potential.

I'm not sold Davis can be traded down for. The Draft is in June and Davis, Cornelie, Tyler Ulis, Zubac, and other players are going to be high risers. Once people start seeing Davis' potential in person it's going to be hard to pass him up if you're even the 9th pick. You just don't get many Power Forwards with his intangibles to be honest and teams like those types. Dragan more so.

Karl is a special player so he'll be fine at the Center spot for the longevity of his career. Under Thibodeau games aren't going to be won through Kat they're going to be won collectively. That's how Thibs likes it that I know of and that'll bode well for Kat and everyone else that plays for the Wolves.


With Bender T'wolves would be almost ideally build form 1-5, great fit altogether, something like GSW is now.

With rest I agree more or less, I'm glad that you brought up Zubac, but don't sleep on Zizic as well, I think he could develop in even a better player.

It is expected for Europeans and younger players to start climbing as Draft approaches, but if Minny succeeds in trading with Denver #5 for #7 and #15 (Denver has interest because they are sure to pick J. Murray, who I believe is their designated target, great fit along Mudiay), I think Davis should be there and Valentine can be picked up later, and act as very good sub.

Still Poeltl is more of a sure thing, that's why I'd consider him, as well as he fits the need and checks some boxes other guys don't. Higher floor than Davis, and similar, maybe slightly less ceiling. But he is ready to contribute now, while I don't think it is true for Davis. And Davis is built somewhere between PF and C, so there might be issues with rebounding as well as post defense. On the other hand, one more inch and he is a 7 footer. Workouts will decide as always.

Let's say Bender would be #1 option, and I am almost equally sold on Poeltl and Davis+Valentine
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#208 » by RationalGaze » Mon May 2, 2016 5:21 pm

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RationalGaze wrote:
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Ideally, I'd pair him with Bender, but since I dont expect for him to be there, and it is hard to move up to no. 3; I'd take Poeltl as a secure option - he'll be there and he'll be good player.
Doesn't have Davis potential, but is bigger, currently better defender and rebounder, inteligent and good passer, could develop midrange game judging from his FT. Not the worst choice.
I like KAT as C, but given the amount of phisicallity that position assumess, it might be wise to give him some rest on that end, and let Poeltl do the banging.
I think KAT dominates offensivly on both positions, he's just too versatile. This, however, extends his duration as player I'd hope.

Davis is nice option too, especially since MIN can get two for one while moving down and picking both Davis and Valentine. Wouldn't mind this at all


The Wolves get Bender and we quad-peat. People are asleep on that kid and his true potential. If we want to move Kat to Power then that opens up Zubac and Poeltl to be drafted. I like both guys and see them going to Bucks and Magic respectively, but what kind of team is that going to look like for us? I think Karl will still be more potent at Center and will annoy the absolute livid out of defenses with two elite wings attacking.
Kat isn't set in stone as Davis progresses he'll play/rotate to Center for some minutes, but predominately I see Karl being a Power Forward in a Center build and position as the best fit/potential.

I'm not sold Davis can be traded down for. The Draft is in June and Davis, Cornelie, Tyler Ulis, Zubac, and other players are going to be high risers. Once people start seeing Davis' potential in person it's going to be hard to pass him up if you're even the 9th pick. You just don't get many Power Forwards with his intangibles to be honest and teams like those types. Dragan more so.

Karl is a special player so he'll be fine at the Center spot for the longevity of his career. Under Thibodeau games aren't going to be won through Kat they're going to be won collectively. That's how Thibs likes it that I know of and that'll bode well for Kat and everyone else that plays for the Wolves.


With Bender T'wolves would be almost ideally build form 1-5, great fit altogether, something like GSW is now.

With rest I agree more or less, I'm glad that you brought up Zubac, but don't sleep on Zizic as well, I think he could develop in even a better player.

It is expected for Europeans and younger players to start climbing as Draft approaches, but if Minny succeeds in trading with Denver #5 for #7 and #15 (Denver has interest because they are sure to pick J. Murray, who I believe is their designated target, great fit along Mudiay), I think Davis should be there and Valentine can be picked up later, and act as very good sub.

Still Poeltl is more of a sure thing, that's why I'd consider him, as well as he fits the need and checks some boxes other guys don't. Higher floor than Davis, and similar, maybe slightly less ceiling. But he is ready to contribute now, while I don't think it is true for Davis. And Davis is built somewhere between PF and C, so there might be issues with rebounding as well as post defense. On the other hand, one more inch and he is a 7 footer. Workouts will decide as always.

Let's say Bender would be #1 option, and I am almost equally sold on Poeltl and Davis+Valentine


I'd definitely accept that trade, but there are other guards to be had and I doubt Denver gives that pick up to move up 2 spots. 7th and the 19th would be nice as Wolves can still draft a shooting guard.

Poeltl still needs 10lbs. of muscle as well as more strength so not technically ready, but will definitely start.
Far as a player contributing right now it wouldn't matter a whole lot, because this team isn't championship ready. Davis in his third season with his elite defensive potential under the guidance of Thibodeau and Kevin will be ideal for a championship push. For the Wolves team I like Davis' ceiling more than Jakob, but that's only with positions 1, 2, 3, and 5 filled out.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#209 » by realEAST » Mon May 2, 2016 5:55 pm

RationalGaze wrote:
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The Wolves get Bender and we quad-peat. People are asleep on that kid and his true potential. If we want to move Kat to Power then that opens up Zubac and Poeltl to be drafted. I like both guys and see them going to Bucks and Magic respectively, but what kind of team is that going to look like for us? I think Karl will still be more potent at Center and will annoy the absolute livid out of defenses with two elite wings attacking.
Kat isn't set in stone as Davis progresses he'll play/rotate to Center for some minutes, but predominately I see Karl being a Power Forward in a Center build and position as the best fit/potential.

I'm not sold Davis can be traded down for. The Draft is in June and Davis, Cornelie, Tyler Ulis, Zubac, and other players are going to be high risers. Once people start seeing Davis' potential in person it's going to be hard to pass him up if you're even the 9th pick. You just don't get many Power Forwards with his intangibles to be honest and teams like those types. Dragan more so.

Karl is a special player so he'll be fine at the Center spot for the longevity of his career. Under Thibodeau games aren't going to be won through Kat they're going to be won collectively. That's how Thibs likes it that I know of and that'll bode well for Kat and everyone else that plays for the Wolves.


With Bender T'wolves would be almost ideally build form 1-5, great fit altogether, something like GSW is now.

With rest I agree more or less, I'm glad that you brought up Zubac, but don't sleep on Zizic as well, I think he could develop in even a better player.

It is expected for Europeans and younger players to start climbing as Draft approaches, but if Minny succeeds in trading with Denver #5 for #7 and #15 (Denver has interest because they are sure to pick J. Murray, who I believe is their designated target, great fit along Mudiay), I think Davis should be there and Valentine can be picked up later, and act as very good sub.

Still Poeltl is more of a sure thing, that's why I'd consider him, as well as he fits the need and checks some boxes other guys don't. Higher floor than Davis, and similar, maybe slightly less ceiling. But he is ready to contribute now, while I don't think it is true for Davis. And Davis is built somewhere between PF and C, so there might be issues with rebounding as well as post defense. On the other hand, one more inch and he is a 7 footer. Workouts will decide as always.

Let's say Bender would be #1 option, and I am almost equally sold on Poeltl and Davis+Valentine


I'd definitely accept that trade, but there are other guards to be had and I doubt Denver gives that pick up to move up 2 spots. 7th and the 19th would be nice as Wolves can still draft a shooting guard.

Poeltl still needs 10lbs. of muscle as well as more strength so not technically ready, but will definitely start.
Far as a player contributing right now it wouldn't matter a whole lot, because this team isn't championship ready. Davis in his third season with his elite defensive potential under the guidance of Thibodeau and Kevin will be ideal for a championship push. For the Wolves team I like Davis' ceiling more than Jakob, but that's only with positions 1, 2, 3, and 5 filled out.


I think they might since they have an abundance of picks and young players, they need to start capitalising on them.

I think they have their eyes on one from Hield, Murray, Luwawu (they have scout specifically for Adriatic league), but IMO Murray and Mudiay would be such a nice fit, perfectly complementing each other. And Murray could easily be picked before they choose, so there is their inclination.

(And this would actually be cheap for them, just remember Boston trying to move up two spots in less atractive part of draft, to no. 9 I think).

As for Davis-Poeltl, Deytona is player more suited for so called new NBA, and since I also believe T'wolves are in no hurry, they can develop him gradually.
Good thing Thibs is there, you could end up with Noah 2.0 if he grows a bit.
As for talent, at DX mock 2017, which is stronger draft, Davis is currently no. 10 I think, he is good. Fast learner and good tactically apparently, Thibs kind of player.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#210 » by RationalGaze » Mon May 2, 2016 6:41 pm

realEAST wrote:
RationalGaze wrote:
realEAST wrote:
With Bender T'wolves would be almost ideally build form 1-5, great fit altogether, something like GSW is now.

With rest I agree more or less, I'm glad that you brought up Zubac, but don't sleep on Zizic as well, I think he could develop in even a better player.

It is expected for Europeans and younger players to start climbing as Draft approaches, but if Minny succeeds in trading with Denver #5 for #7 and #15 (Denver has interest because they are sure to pick J. Murray, who I believe is their designated target, great fit along Mudiay), I think Davis should be there and Valentine can be picked up later, and act as very good sub.

Still Poeltl is more of a sure thing, that's why I'd consider him, as well as he fits the need and checks some boxes other guys don't. Higher floor than Davis, and similar, maybe slightly less ceiling. But he is ready to contribute now, while I don't think it is true for Davis. And Davis is built somewhere between PF and C, so there might be issues with rebounding as well as post defense. On the other hand, one more inch and he is a 7 footer. Workouts will decide as always.

Let's say Bender would be #1 option, and I am almost equally sold on Poeltl and Davis+Valentine


I'd definitely accept that trade, but there are other guards to be had and I doubt Denver gives that pick up to move up 2 spots. 7th and the 19th would be nice as Wolves can still draft a shooting guard.

Poeltl still needs 10lbs. of muscle as well as more strength so not technically ready, but will definitely start.
Far as a player contributing right now it wouldn't matter a whole lot, because this team isn't championship ready. Davis in his third season with his elite defensive potential under the guidance of Thibodeau and Kevin will be ideal for a championship push. For the Wolves team I like Davis' ceiling more than Jakob, but that's only with positions 1, 2, 3, and 5 filled out.


I think they might since they have an abundance of picks and young players, they need to start capitalising on them.

I think they have their eyes on one from Hield, Murray, Luwawu (they have scout specifically for Adriatic league), but IMO Murray and Mudiay would be such a nice fit, perfectly complementing each other. And Murray could easily be picked before they choose, so there is their inclination.

(And this would actually be cheap for them, just remember Boston trying to move up two spots in less atractive part of draft, to no. 9 I think).

As for Davis-Poeltl, Deytona is player more suited for so called new NBA, and since I also believe T'wolves are in no hurry, they can develop him gradually.
Good thing Thibs is there, you could end up with Noah 2.0 if he grows a bit.
As for talent, at DX mock 2017, which is stronger draft, Davis is currently no. 10 I think, he is good. Fast learner and good tactically apparently, Thibs kind of player.


They do it if they know Pelicans will draft Murray with the 6th pick. Hield and Furkan will be available so they'll have to love Murray to make that trade.

Davis' potential makes him ideal to play at the 4 spot nowadays so I could see Phoenix taking him, but I'd like it if they fall in love with 6'7" 7'2" wingspan Timothe Luwawu and complete their back court. Phoenix can draft Petr or Marquese with the 13th or Ulis if they want to trade Eric and Brandon Knight.

I'm not the only one who sees Davis' potential. Wolves don't get Davis then I promote trading the pick and try to pick up Petr.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#211 » by realEAST » Mon May 2, 2016 7:12 pm

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I'd definitely accept that trade, but there are other guards to be had and I doubt Denver gives that pick up to move up 2 spots. 7th and the 19th would be nice as Wolves can still draft a shooting guard.

Poeltl still needs 10lbs. of muscle as well as more strength so not technically ready, but will definitely start.
Far as a player contributing right now it wouldn't matter a whole lot, because this team isn't championship ready. Davis in his third season with his elite defensive potential under the guidance of Thibodeau and Kevin will be ideal for a championship push. For the Wolves team I like Davis' ceiling more than Jakob, but that's only with positions 1, 2, 3, and 5 filled out.


I think they might since they have an abundance of picks and young players, they need to start capitalising on them.

I think they have their eyes on one from Hield, Murray, Luwawu (they have scout specifically for Adriatic league), but IMO Murray and Mudiay would be such a nice fit, perfectly complementing each other. And Murray could easily be picked before they choose, so there is their inclination.

(And this would actually be cheap for them, just remember Boston trying to move up two spots in less atractive part of draft, to no. 9 I think).

As for Davis-Poeltl, Deytona is player more suited for so called new NBA, and since I also believe T'wolves are in no hurry, they can develop him gradually.
Good thing Thibs is there, you could end up with Noah 2.0 if he grows a bit.
As for talent, at DX mock 2017, which is stronger draft, Davis is currently no. 10 I think, he is good. Fast learner and good tactically apparently, Thibs kind of player.


They do it if they know Pelicans will draft Murray with the 6th pick. Hield and Furkan will be available so they'll have to love Murray to make that trade.

Davis' potential makes him ideal to play at the 4 spot nowadays so I could see Phoenix taking him, but I'd like it if they fall in love with 6'7" 7'2" wingspan Timothe Luwawu and complete their back court. Phoenix can draft Petr or Marquese with the 13th or Ulis if they want to trade Eric and Brandon Knight.

I'm not the only one who sees Davis' potential. Wolves don't get Davis then I promote trading the pick and try to pick up Petr.


Not that high of Korkmaz, don't think he has skill or athleticism, despite being very long. Didn't impress me.

NOP can do anything, Hield is most probable choice looking at quality and maturity and readiness level, along with what NOP need. Luwawu and Murray probably has better potential,and could be in the mix.
This level on uncertainty might tempt Nuggets to make deal. Especially since those later picks don't matter much to them, as it seems.

I see Murray and Mudiay ideal fit - one is strong, athletic, good defender, good handler, even passer, playmaker (he had much better assits TO rating after the All Star break), has solid and developing shot and midrange game, but is capable penetrator, but has to improve finishing. Murray is not that athletic, but has very good handling skills and moves very well without ball, around the screens. Also, he is big guard, so that might help eventually on defensive end. Has excellent shot, mid range game, can be second playmaker. I'd say very similar, better fitting Lillard-CJ combo. In a while of course.

As for Suns, I think they'll go with Brown, he is combo forward that fits them nicely. Also this way they can draft best possible PF or SF available at 13th (don't think Luwawu or Davis falls to them, there; Cheeks might, especially if Kings get Dunn). IMO Cheeks and Brown would be nice combo between Booker and Len.

Don't know what Raptors plan to do with 9th. I can see them taking Luwawu there. Corneile is interesting, didn't see him that much, lotto might be a bit of reach. On the other hand, I don't see why would anyone pick Skal over him.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#212 » by RationalGaze » Mon May 2, 2016 7:53 pm

Lol not high on Jaylen myself, but I get why teams would like to draft him, because they'd like to build him. Same thing with Marquese, but he's a bit more raw.

Getting two athletic guys to go along with Booker and Bledsoe in the back court would bode well. Just depends on their development.
I see Toronto going Power with the 9th and can see Luwawu going 10th unless Bucks draft Center.
I have Skal and Jaylen out of the Lottery in my mock, because they're simply not good players as is, but if they develop then they'll become very nice starters.

I've seen plenty of Murray so pairing him with a pure point in Emmanuel is the same as pairing him with Ulis. Difference is Nuggets have a front court in Jokic and Nurkic. Kentucky didn't have that.

If I'm Kings I go Ulis, but I get drafting Dunn as he's more physically built. A lot of variables this draft as to what teams can/should do.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#213 » by jmoy » Mon May 2, 2016 9:27 pm

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One problem on that is we should lose our draft pick next year due to the Payne-ful trade so looking to next years draft is pretty useless for the Wolves, unless they miss the playoffs next year and then I would say next year was a disappointment.


It states it's the 2018 pick http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed


Yeah, it's not until 2018. We still have our pick next year, though we can't trade it prior to making the selection because of the pick we still owe.


Ahh. That was what got me, the trade part. This is one time I am very happy to be wrong.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#214 » by rugbyrugger23 » Tue May 3, 2016 3:38 am

jmoy wrote:
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RationalGaze wrote:
It states it's the 2018 pick http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed


Yeah, it's not until 2018. We still have our pick next year, though we can't trade it prior to making the selection because of the pick we still owe.


Ahh. That was what got me, the trade part. This is one time I am very happy to be wrong.

Might be a technicality, but can't Wolves trade next years pick if they receive a 2017 unprotected 1st (being in same trade or prior to trading own pick)?
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#215 » by Klomp » Tue May 3, 2016 3:43 am

rugbyrugger23 wrote:Might be a technicality, but can't Wolves trade next years pick if they receive a 2017 unprotected 1st (being in same trade or prior to trading own pick)?

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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#216 » by RationalGaze » Wed May 4, 2016 1:40 pm

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Deyonta-Davis-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5467/

How does the 5th pick overall look to you Timber fans? Think Thibs likes him?
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#217 » by jpatrick » Wed May 4, 2016 2:36 pm

RationalGaze wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Deyonta-Davis-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5467/

How does the 5th pick overall look to you Timber fans? Think Thibs likes him?


He's a boom-or-bust guy. I watch at least a dozen MSU games and in most, he didn't make an impact. He's got the tools, it's just whether he's going to develop them on the offensive end. It's not enough to be fairly long and athletic in the NBA, if he doesn't develop his offense, he's Noah Vonleh (who was more impressive as a freshman) or an Ed Davis type, who's in the rotation but not really an impactful player.

Another guy like this is Luwawu. His highlights are impressive, but he's not in the top level of Euro basketball and he's only had one year of production despite being 21 (or close). Plus, in that one year the offense was a super fast paced offense, which fits his skills better than a traditional offense. Although, even in that offense he only shot 39% from the field.

Both these guys need to show the ability to shoot in workouts to have any chance of going top 6. If they do and really nail the workouts/interviews, they could be big risers due to their physical profiles and athletic ability.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#218 » by RationalGaze » Wed May 4, 2016 3:11 pm

jpatrick wrote:
RationalGaze wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Deyonta-Davis-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5467/

How does the 5th pick overall look to you Timber fans? Think Thibs likes him?


He's a boom-or-bust guy. I watch at least a dozen MSU games and in most, he didn't make an impact. He's got the tools, it's just whether he's going to develop them on the offensive end. It's not enough to be fairly long and athletic in the NBA, if he doesn't develop his offense, he's Noah Vonleh (who was more impressive as a freshman) or an Ed Davis type, who's in the rotation but not really an impactful player.

Another guy like this is Luwawu. His highlights are impressive, but he's not in the top level of Euro basketball and he's only had one year of production despite being 21 (or close). Plus, in that one year the offense was a super fast paced offense, which fits his skills better than a traditional offense. Although, even in that offense he only shot 39% from the field.

Both these guys need to show the ability to shoot in workouts to have any chance of going top 6. If they do and really nail the workouts/interviews, they could be big risers due to their physical profiles and athletic ability.

Yeah the potential is there just needs further development which will guarantee his success. I think a 17 point guy with elite defense will do this team wonders overall.
Wolves could trade down for the 10th pick and let the Bucks take Dunn 5th overall if they get the sense Sacramento takes him. Could see Kings trading DeMarcus then for Boston's 3, 16th, and 23rd. Maybe another pick as well, but we'll see. Get Dragan, Ulis, and Malik Beasley or Furkan Korkmaz with the 16th. 23rd could be Prince, Guerschon, or Juan Alberto. I think it'll be an interesting draft.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#219 » by gopher wolf » Wed May 4, 2016 4:45 pm

RationalGaze wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Deyonta-Davis-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5467/

How does the 5th pick overall look to you Timber fans? Think Thibs likes him?


If were going to reach for a PF, I'd rather have Ellenson. Rabb would have also been higher on my board had he declared and so is Chriss.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#220 » by Takingbaconback » Wed May 4, 2016 5:17 pm

I'm okay with any big man on top of the draft as long as he is a very good rebounder and defender. It would be fun to see Davis drafted by the Bucks. Giannis/Middleton/Parker/Davis/Monroe.

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