The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Saberestar]

Some teams in the playoffs are playing without a "true" PF and they are playing really well.

Luol Deng/Joe Johnson for the Heat and Harkless/Aminu for the Blazers are shooting the ball, switching a lot and running the floor pretty well giving their teams another dimension.

Not needed to mention Barnes/Draymond Green...

I want that scheme on the Suns next season.
Ideally Ingram and Warren can be our SF and PF to play that style of basketball...but probably even Luwawu or Brown can be good enough to start ( or at least to play around 20 minutes per game on their rookie season) and replicate that system.

[Frank Lee]

I don't want Cousins at all. His talent is great but he is dumb like not too many players in the league. His actions are ridiculous and an embarrassment a lot of times.

I prefer to build around the draft....I would make a big time offer for the #2 pick to get Ingram.

There isn't a player in this league that needs a new address more than Cousins. Sac town has been an equal to us with instability w coaches and front office during Boogie's entire career. They have whiffed on adding the pieces around DC necessary to be good. What a frustrating run it has to have been/is.

Phnx could be just the place he needs to be.

[bwgood77]

I don't want Cousins at all. His talent is great but he is dumb like not too many players in the league. His actions are ridiculous and an embarrassment a lot of times.

I prefer to build around the draft....I would make a big time offer for the #2 pick to get Ingram.

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[Walt_Uoob]

Just spit-balling after reading Nowitzki's comments on trying to compete for the next couple years...

I could see the Mavs being interested in a few of our guys. Chandler had huge success there obviously, so if they can't get Dwight Howard maybe they'd be interested in bringing him back. Also, maybe Carlisle could get Knight to embrace a Jason Terry role and flourish there. And Tucker could be a good backup for them and/or Parsons insurance in case he leaves or gets injured again.

They don't have much I'm interested in, and they've already traded away their 2016 first so they can't give us their 2017, but Justin Anderson + 2018 first + maybe filler like Devin Harris would get my attention. Or something bigger where they sign-and-trade Parsons to a third team or something.

[jcsunsfan]

So, should we go all out for Whiteside this offseason? He might be attainable. He is young and might be open to a team really going for him. He is a difference maker, and the double effect for the Suns is that it hurts Miami and improves our future draft picks they own to us.

[saintEscaton]

So, should we go all out for Whiteside this offseason? He might be attainable. He is young and might be open to a team really going for him. He is a difference maker, and the double effect for the Suns is that it hurts Miami and improves our future draft picks they own to us.

No harm in trying but we will be sister kissed once again. Whiteside already went on the record to say he doesn't want to be a face of a losing franchise. He would be the ideal Howard replacement for the Rockets, I could see them making a convincing pitch

[bwgood77]

Just spit-balling after reading Nowitzki's comments on trying to compete for the next couple years...

I could see the Mavs being interested in a few of our guys. Chandler had huge success there obviously, so if they can't get Dwight Howard maybe they'd be interested in bringing him back. Also, maybe Carlisle could get Knight to embrace a Jason Terry role and flourish there. And Tucker could be a good backup for them and/or Parsons insurance in case he leaves or gets injured again.

They don't have much I'm interested in, and they've already traded away their 2016 first so they can't give us their 2017, but Justin Anderson + 2018 first + maybe filler like Devin Harris would get my attention. Or something bigger where they sign-and-trade Parsons to a third team or something.

Carlisle is the exact type of coach Knight needs. It's too bad they don't have any good trade assets.

[bwgood77]

So, should we go all out for Whiteside this offseason? He might be attainable. He is young and might be open to a team really going for him. He is a difference maker, and the double effect for the Suns is that it hurts Miami and improves our future draft picks they own to us.

No harm in trying but we will be sister kissed once again. Whiteside already went on the record to say he doesn't want to be a face of a losing franchise. He would be the ideal Howard replacement for the Rockets, I could see them making a convincing pitch

Why won't Miami keep him?

[saintEscaton]

I don't know what you guys are expecting. I would take that offer in a heartbeat and run with it before the Mavs change their mind. Also I remember when some posters made the argument that Knightmare> Schroder

[AtheJ415]

Did you see the performance Knight put on all season?

A motivated Kieff is a great PF. 2013-2014 Kieff and 2014-2015 Kieff were in the top half of starters in the league. Hes one of the better offensively versatile PF's in the league.

Peel away the empty BK stats and you have a very mediocre basketball player.

Kieff was at best an okay starting PF. It's easy to dismiss stats when one person's is considered legitimate and the other's is considered empty. Knight's every bit as good as Kieff. The problem is neither are really that great. Kieff has the contract advantage, but a disadvantage in everything else that matters off the court including public safety, while also being older with less upside.

While all of what you say is true, a contract a little more than half the size coupled with the fact that PF is not nearly as oversaturated as PG or small combo guard (usually much cheaper) it might be hard to find value for a while until his contract looks like a bargain and/or he does improve. Not sure what upside you still see coming either. Hopefully Watson teaches him ball movement. If he can do that ok, he would be a much better player and maybe worth keeping, but that tendency of tunnel vision, careless turnovers and not knowing where he is on the floor when he shoots long 2s is maddening.

Knight's upside is obvious imo. He can create offense and has the athleticism to beat his man. The problem is his shot selection. PF may be oversaturated, but Knight has never literally killed a team's season via insane techs and crazy chemistry issues. I'm not sure anybody can win with Kieff, at least not the one we had at the end of his time here. I don't think Knight is all that good, but Kieff certainly isn't either, and I'd sacrifice that much cap space to avoid the problems he comes with.

[bwgood77]

I don't know what you guys are expecting. I would take that offer and run with it before the Mavs change their mind. Also I remember when some posters made the argument that Knightmare> Schroder

What offer? This one?

but Justin Anderson + 2018 first + maybe filler like Devin Harris would get my attention

Oh, I would too, but I doubt we'd get that offer. Plus it seems like any time they trade a pick they top 10 protect it for like 7 or 8 years.

[darealjuice]

Brandon Knight is 24 years old, but I swear some of you guys act like he's already reached his peak and is going to be in decline for the rest of his career lol. He has plenty of time to improve, maybe you guys don't remember how terrible Goran Tragic was when he was Brandon Knight's age?

[saintEscaton]

Brandon Knight is 24 years old, but I swear some of you guys act like he's already reached his peak and is going to be in decline for the rest of his career lol. He has plenty of time to improve, maybe you guys don't remember how terrible Goran Tragic was when he was Brandon Knight's age?

Knight has essentially bee n a net negative/ at best replacement level player through his first 5 years in the league. He's not a spring chicken anymore we can come to a verdict. Some habits die hard when left uncorrected and he has a severe case of tunnel vision. He is a Jamal Crawford gunner without the handles and clutchness

[lilfishi22]

So, should we go all out for Whiteside this offseason? He might be attainable. He is young and might be open to a team really going for him. He is a difference maker, and the double effect for the Suns is that it hurts Miami and improves our future draft picks they own to us.

No harm in trying but we will be sister kissed once again. Whiteside already went on the record to say he doesn't want to be a face of a losing franchise. He would be the ideal Howard replacement for the Rockets, I could see them making a convincing pitch

Why won't Miami keep him?

I'm sure they would like to try but they don't really have any real financial advantage over any other team in resigning Whiteside since they don't have bird rights. He'll be up for grabs like any UFA.

[darealjuice]

Brandon Knight is 24 years old, but I swear some of you guys act like he's already reached his peak and is going to be in decline for the rest of his career lol. He has plenty of time to improve, maybe you guys don't remember how terrible Goran Tragic was when he was Brandon Knight's age?

Knight has essentially bee n a net negative/ at best replacement level player through his first 5 years in the league. He's not a spring chicken anymore we can come to a verdict. Some habits die hard when left uncorrected and he has a severe case of tunnel vision. He is a Jamal Crawford gunner without the handles and clutchness

He was literally a borderline all star with the Bucks last year, I'm not sure why are you talking about him being a replacement level player when he's been a starter his entire career?

Also, 24 years old is certainly a "spring chicken," if he were 28 with the same habits maybe I'd see what you're talking about, but he's a 24 year old that averaged 20/5/4 this year (inb4 you say his stats are empty stats). Does he need work? Obviously, but so does literally everyone on our team, and the foundation is there, he just needs the coaching and experience. He's only a few months over a year older than Alex Len and TJ Warren and they haven't been dependable players yet, should we come to a verdict on them too and boot them?

I'd be fine with him being a Jamal Crawford type player, especially if he can realize that being a 6th man for a good team is better than being a main option for a bad team like Jamal did. He doesn't have the handles that Jamal does, but I can barely think of 10 players in the NBA that do, so I don't see how he's the benchmark for Knight. Meanwhile, Knight this year put up as good of numbers as Jamal did at the peak of his career

What makes the idea of him improving at the young age of 24 so impossible to you? Knightmare at 24 is a MUCH, MUCH better player than Tragic was at the same age, and if he improves even a quarter as much as he did over the next few years then he will be more than worth keeping around, even if it's just until we aren't trading him at his rock bottom value.

[dremill24]

Have we talked about Mo Harkless as an option? He's got his shooting flaws but is a nice modern combo forward with athleticism, defensive versatility, and youth. Being Restricted makes it tough but I like him for the roster.

[lilfishi22]

I liked him coming out of the draft but seeing him play these past couple of seasons, I'm not sure he brings anything to the table that we need. I don't know that he addresses our hole at the 4 sufficiently enough and that's the position I want to fill as a priority in FA.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Brandon Knight is like Brown / Morris / Beasley.

They just take dumb shots, only top 10 shooters of all-time would be effecient players with how they play.

Watson has said he's going to try teach him, even if he doesn't want to be taught.

[DRK]

Anyone in Free Agency you think we may target?

I am a big fan of Allen Crabbe. If given the starting role and major minutes, I think he can be a very very good player. great defender, great shooter, and has a nice in-between game too.

I can see him getting upwards of 50-60 million this offseason, and hes only 24.

Depending on who we draft, I would definitely like to get him as a SG/SF for our future.

-Trade Knight for RHJ.
- Draft Kris Dunn
- Sign Crabbe 5/60
-Move PJ to smallball 4.
- Resign Price
- Draft Chriss/Rabb as a project.

Bledsoe/Dunn
Booker/Dunn/Bogdan
Crabbe/TJ
RHJ/TJ/PJ
Len/Chandler/Rabb?

[Qwigglez]

^No to Allen Crabbe. He frequents the club a lot in downtown Portland. To me that shows a lack of commitment and I'd rather our guys be 100% focused on basketball.