Henry Ellenson?

No-Man · Post #41 » by **No-Man** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:17 pm

Ellenson is as of today less mboile and shifty than Frank was as a prospect, without taking age into consideration, Ellenson could improve of course (look at Myles Turner mobility issues), but he does look meh defending in space.

doordoor123 · Post #42 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:12 am

Fischella wrote:Ellenson is as of today less mboile and shifty than Frank was as a prospect, without taking age into consideration, Ellenson could improve of course (look at Myles Turner mobility issues), but he does look meh defending in space.

You cannot compare Myles Turner to anyone in terms of prospects. He was in a terrible system at Texas with a coach that had no idea how to use him (and was focusing the offense around other players). His weight was also an issue and his mobility wasn't terrible. Once I saw the workout with his "corrected" running, there's no way he wouldn't have been a great player. He can REALLY run when he wants to.

JungleCat022 · Post #43 » by **JungleCat022** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:50 am

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Mascot · Post #44 » by **Mascot** » Mon May 2, 2016 11:37 am

I really want the Raptors to draft this guy. His play reminds me so much of Dirk. Quick little jump-shot, off balance one handed floaters, ability to stretch the floor. I know there are issues about his foot speed but when did dirk out speed anyone? He is exactly what the Raptors need, a stretch 4 who can shift to the 5 for spot minutes.

Post #45 » by **GimmeDat** » Mon May 2, 2016 12:52 pm

Mascot wrote:I really want the Raptors to draft this guy. His play reminds me so much of Dirk. Quick little jump-shot, off balance one handed floaters, ability to stretch the floor. I know there are issues about his foot speed but when did dirk out speed anyone? He is exactly what the Raptors need, a stretch 4 who can shift to the 5 for spot minutes.

#9's a good spot to address the PF situation you guys have. Personally, I think Chriss would be a better prospect if he panned out, but considering you guys are competing now, I'd say Ellenson is a lot more ready to contribute, and you could probably do with a more offensively orientated guy.

How's Jonas defensively these days? Him, along with Ellenson,on that end, would be my primary concern. Not to sa Jonas is or has ever been a bad defender, but as a tandem it would be a bit sub-par.

saintEscaton · Post #46 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon May 2, 2016 7:45 pm

I would take Deyonta Davis and even Juancho ahead of him based on upside alone. Ellenson is like a homeless man's KLove without the outlet passing and moves inside the key .For a supposed floor spacing big he hasnt emerged as a pick n' pop threat as of yet. He can only faceup at the elbows and drain treys from the corner pocket and bricks them from everywhere else (less than 30% from thbeyond the arc on a significant clip) His shot selection indicates he doesn't' play to his strengths but he has fluid mechanics and a quick release so his inefficiency mostly to due to him being trigger happy . I think he will be a turnstile on the other end and might have to transition to center after filling out because he lacks the lateral agility against the PnR and the footspeed to close out the perimeter.

sweetcity · Post #47 » by **sweetcity** » Mon May 2, 2016 9:34 pm

Ellenson could actually start for the Raptors next year.... Biyombo is a great fit beside him as well.

No-Man · Post #48 » by **No-Man** » Mon May 2, 2016 9:54 pm

sweetcity wrote:Ellenson could actually start for the Raptors next year.... Biyombo is a great fit beside him as well.

come on now :lol:

S.W.A.N · Post #49 » by **S.W.A.N** » Tue May 3, 2016 1:21 am

Ellenson is probably the only guy ranked in most peoples top 10 that I dread. Please don't let raps draft this guy...

doordoor123 · Post #50 » by **doordoor123** » Tue May 3, 2016 2:59 am

I've been watching film on his defense recently and while his wing defense is horrible, I think he has potential with both P&R defense and interior defense. He seems to have a really low IQ when it comes to defense (I don't think it's only his footspeed). He has length and for some reason never puts his hands up on defense. If he were to even try stopping the P&R, he could be effective. It's the same with his interior defense. Instead of sacrificing his body he moves out of the way. It seems he is either afraid to get fouls (maybe because he was the best player on the team and needed to stay in games) or he just hasn't been taught how to play defense. I'm not saying he can be a difference maker on defense, but he can definitely not be a big issue. I think people are over exaggerating with him. He's a project because he's so young, but he has potential. His mistakes on defense don't look like mistakes. He looks like he doesn't know what he's doing rather than just doing a bad job at what he knows he has to do.

Post #51 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue May 3, 2016 3:12 am

Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

MotownMadness · Post #52 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue May 3, 2016 1:10 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

Think there's a chance he could drop to the Pistons at 18?

HotelVitale · Post #53 » by **HotelVitale** » Tue May 3, 2016 3:10 pm

saintEscaton wrote:For a supposed floor spacing big he hasnt emerged as a pick n' pop threat as of yet. He can only faceup at the elbows and drain treys from the corner pocket and bricks them from everywhere else (less than 30% from thbeyond the arc on a significant clip) His shot selection indicates he doesn't' play to his strengths but he has fluid mechanics and a quick release so his inefficiency mostly to due to him being trigger happy .

You know all of this was true of Kevin Love, right? Ellenson has a better stroke than Love did at the time, and he was a better pure shooter too. Considering that bigs tend to get better looks in the NBA (don't have to shoot off the dribble or in super tight spaces), I'm fairly confident projecting him as a solid/reliable stretch big, but not a deadly shooter you can off screens and stuff (like Ryno). He also wasn't really inefficient--54% TS is okay for a prospect, well above average for the NCAA. He was a good productive offensive player and he certainly has a path to getting a lot better on offense.

That's not to say I love Ellenson. Defense is going to be trouble, and his lack of burst or elite size limits his upside greatly. I'm also wary of top picks who won't be stars but whose main contribution will be scoring.

doordoor123 · Post #54 » by **doordoor123** » Tue May 3, 2016 9:35 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

ESPN "insiders" say that most front offices see him as a top 10 pick. If that's true, I don't think even work outs will make him drop much.

RationalGaze · Post #55 » by **RationalGaze** » Tue May 3, 2016 10:03 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

Think there's a chance he could drop to the Pistons at 18?

Yes.I doubt the pistons take him and will take a guard instead, because Kcp's 3 point shot has regressed to 30 percent and they need an upgrade if it can be had.
Drummond isn't talked about as a great defender and Ellenson shoots 28% from 3 with his dreadful defense. That's not a combination that should be linked up anytime soon.

Post #56 » by **GimmeDat** » Wed May 4, 2016 12:56 am

MotownMadness wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

Think there's a chance he could drop to the Pistons at 18?

I think it's possible but unlikely. I think by the end of the lottery, if he's not picked up, teams will see he's fallen and take him as a BPA option. Worst (or best in your case) scenario is he falls to you, but I think the quality of prospects drops off after the Davis/Chriss/Poeltl/Luwawu tier and Ellenson's talent sticks out from that point onward.

Post #57 » by **bwgood77** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:21 pm

GimmeDat wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

Think there's a chance he could drop to the Pistons at 18?

I think it's possible but unlikely. I think by the end of the lottery, if he's not picked up, teams will see he's fallen and take him as a BPA option. Worst (or best in your case) scenario is he falls to you, but I think the quality of prospects drops off after the Davis/Chriss/Poeltl/Luwawu tier and Ellenson's talent sticks out from that point onward.

I do wonder if the Suns consider him, particularly if Bender is taken by Boston (or whoever has the 3rd pick if Boston trades it).

Masterfully · Post #58 » by **Masterfully** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:15 am

I see a lot of Detlef Schrempf in this guy. Must be the hair.

S.W.A.N · Post #59 » by **S.W.A.N** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:53 am

GimmeDat wrote:Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

He's a terrible fit.

At the four we need an athletic defender with range. One who can switch and guard the P&R well.

Give me Skal, Chriss, Davis. No Ellenson.

Post #60 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sat May 21, 2016 3:28 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Assuming he stays where he is on mocks, I think he'll be one of the biggest fallers on draft night. He'll be fringe lottery imo.

That being said, Ellenson to the Raps is a good fit. I think it's a reach at #9, but he does makes sense for their roster. Agree that Chriss and Davis are both better prospects.

Think there's a chance he could drop to the Pistons at 18?

I don't think so. But it's possible, there are about 10-15 PFs in this draft that somebody or other is saying will go in the first round (we know that won't happen) but it just means some will drop. Ellenson is one that I would love for the Nuggets to pickup but not with their #7. #15 or #19 would be a nice slot. But there are a couple PFs that I would like ahead of him that might slip too.

PFs that go after the top 5 but I wouldn't object to getting with #15 or #19 (my opinion):
Brice Johnson
Ellenson
Labissiere
Sabonis
D.Davis