Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

[Travers]

You could also make a case that if Clifford really didn't care about money and pecking order as for #1/#2 option, he would had given Lin more minutes in game 7 instead of relying so heavily on his big money players.

So the argument is that he played Lin less in Game 7 because of the size of his contract? Really?

Related. As a coach, you play the most important(and always the biggest contract) players in the crucial moment.

[phillycheese]

I present Lin's 2015-16 season as my argument to counter this statement.

Lin did not have any offer to start last summer...Dallas Mavericks was the only genuine option and they really wanted to sign Lin but had to get the DeAndre Jordan max contract done before signing Lin..

Once that broke-down, Deron Williams became available and he's a Dallas native, so they had to go with him instead of Lin....Interestingly, there are now some buzz that they may try to lure Lin to Dallas this time around since Deron William is so injury prone...Deron William is also opting out of his contract with the Mavs.

But from my understanding, Lin did not have any serious offer for good money and starting role last summer and was pretty-much cornered into taking the Hornets offer....So it was not a situation where he rejected a better contract with bigger role to sign with Charlotte who were offering a bench role and low pay.

It was the best he could do for a 1 year rental and than test the market again this summer ..We should see if this summer would be different than last summer.

Last summer wasn't a good indication of lins potential offers. Most folks were waiting on dominoes to fall and the big one was Jordan. Since that backfired after being confirmed Lin just went to Charlotte. If he held out longer he probably would have gotten an mle offer somewhere. Since he believe Charlotte and their pitch there was no reason to wait.

Please correct me as I am not sure, but I thought the MLE means the player must sign for X number of years (I think the number is 3). Hence signing the MLE locks Lin in which he did not want. Charlotte had their MLE that they did not use. Memphis wanted Lin at the MLE.

[PG13]

The more I think about it, the less likely I think Lin will return to Charlotte next season.

He loves playing with this group. It is not possible to have the same 15 players returning next season. His favourite teammate, Marvin Williams, may not be back. Lee may not be back. Clifford hinted that not everyone will be back.

He loves playing for Clifford (and possibly Silas?). He probably loves, say, Kenny Atkinson and MDA (if he gets a job), just as much. And Silas is being considered for a head coach job elsewhere as we speak.

The guys at Hive Talk Live said Lin is worth about $10M. The Hornets may not even offer half as much. That's a lot of money to give up.

Lin may have said he'd take a discount, but I don't think that applies to Charlotte only. He'd probably take a discount play elsewhere if the situation is right. He's a California boy and loves the west coast.

Now that it's no secret that Lin will consider taking less money and will consider playing off the bench, teams will be interested.

Teams are firing their coaches left and right. We can no longer use this season's teams to evaluate what suitors are out there. For example, Bird wants more offense for the Pacers. Will Lin suddenly become a good fit?

The Hornets have not said that they want Lin back ("we love to have him back" sounds very general). What if they have something else in mind?

Finally, did I miss the part where Lin officially opted out? Why is he talking about free agency?

[13th Man]

Yep, Lin sounds different now than right after the series. He's begun to process what went on and wants to do as much as possible on the court in the coming seasons. It sounds like it means exploring all of his options and then going with what seems to be best by whatever criteria and process he goes about doing it. It may mean a Lin appreciation thread here, or not. Right now, let him rest, chill out and try to enjoy his time off until he prepares for FA negotiations, considerations and then working on his game off-season.

I've given up on analyzing his words or thoughts, one day it's this one day it's that, who the heck knows I bet that he doesn't even know of his true intentions yet. It'll be real interesting to see what type of offers he gets, including from the Hornets.

[rallydurham]

I really don't want to see us offer much and I doubt we will. If we hadnt signed lamb to that dumb deal I'd be more inclined to bring lin back. But we are stuck with Lamb and we could bring troy Daniels back cheaply. We al ready have entrenched starters at the guard spots.

Even at like $5m/yr we are better off applying that money towards a quality big man as we are very thin up front and playing Cody all year at center is just asking for injury.

It's just not a great use of resources to spend the money on a backup . There is a huge influx of pg entering the league the next two years there will be plenty of options available if Daniels doesn't work out

[hood30]

I really don't want to see us offer much and I doubt we will. If we hadnt signed lamb to that dumb deal I'd be more inclined to bring lin back. But we are stuck with Lamb and we could bring troy Daniels back cheaply. We al ready have entrenched starters at the guard spots.

Even at like $5m/yr we are better off applying that money towards a quality big man as we are very thin up front and playing Cody all year at center is just asking for injury.

It's just not a great use of resources to spend the money on a backup . There is a huge influx of pg entering the league the next two years there will be plenty of options available if Daniels doesn't work out

I agree here...I think it's best that Lin and Hornets mutually agree to part ways wih no hard feeling toward each other.

Hornets have too many entrenched guards in Kemba/Batum/MKG who will all play big minutes and than you have a young guy like Lamb who will be expected to be given more of a chance to justify his new contract....So it probably makes no sense to spend good money on Lin which you won't be playing much anyway.

So we all agree that it's probably in Charlotte best interest to tell Lin he should go get his fair market value elsewhere because they can't afford to give him more than 6M-7M as a 15-20mpg player.

Lin, in his part, should thank Charlotte for the opportunity and go look for the best opportunity he can find that will allow him to maximize his skill-set and put him in the best position to succeed as an NBA player.

[uballer]

I really don't want to see us offer much and I doubt we will. If we hadnt signed lamb to that dumb deal I'd be more inclined to bring lin back. But we are stuck with Lamb and we could bring troy Daniels back cheaply. We al ready have entrenched starters at the guard spots.

Even at like $5m/yr we are better off applying that money towards a quality big man as we are very thin up front and playing Cody all year at center is just asking for injury.

It's just not a great use of resources to spend the money on a backup . There is a huge influx of pg entering the league the next two years there will be plenty of options available if Daniels doesn't work out

You suddenly became one of "us"? Or, someone with an agenda?

[bws94]

Yep, Lin sounds different now than right after the series. He's begun to process what went on and wants to do as much as possible on the court in the coming seasons. It sounds like it means exploring all of his options and then going with what seems to be best by whatever criteria and process he goes about doing it. It may mean a Lin appreciation thread here, or not. Right now, let him rest, chill out and try to enjoy his time off until he prepares for FA negotiations, considerations and then working on his game off-season.

I've given up on analyzing his words or thoughts, one day it's this one day it's that, who the heck knows I bet that he doesn't even know of his true intentions yet. It'll be real interesting to see what type of offers he gets, including from the Hornets.

I don't think we should analyze his words or thoughts. I think we should just wait and see what happens. And, you're right. We'll see what the Hornets do. They are now putting their efforts into the pitch to Nic. Then what? And will Nic ask to have x, x, x, players back to stay? I don't know if he can but if he does, then what? It's all a bunch of if's now.

[steady]

Guess who's buying a Lin jersey?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFCHefRA0PR/

Hilarious

Very great

I love Cody Zeller

[bws94]

I really don't want to see us offer much and I doubt we will. If we hadnt signed lamb to that dumb deal I'd be more inclined to bring lin back. But we are stuck with Lamb and we could bring troy Daniels back cheaply. We al ready have entrenched starters at the guard spots.

Even at like $5m/yr we are better off applying that money towards a quality big man as we are very thin up front and playing Cody all year at center is just asking for injury.

It's just not a great use of resources to spend the money on a backup . There is a huge influx of pg entering the league the next two years there will be plenty of options available if Daniels doesn't work out

I don't know rally, I think you missed a lot of Lin stepping up and being instrumental for the team this season and in the 3 playoff wins we had. Backup or not is really irrelevant. The issue isn't Lin's worth or contribution to the team, it's that so many key guys are free agents now and there is need in the front court.

[RollingWave]

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[2k15]

Lin did not have any offer to start last summer...Dallas Mavericks was the only genuine option and they really wanted to sign Lin but had to get the DeAndre Jordan max contract done before signing Lin..

Once that broke-down, Deron Williams became available and he's a Dallas native, so they had to go with him instead of Lin....Interestingly, there are now some buzz that they may try to lure Lin to Dallas this time around since Deron William is so injury prone...Deron William is also opting out of his contract with the Mavs.

But from my understanding, Lin did not have any serious offer for good money and starting role last summer and was pretty-much cornered into taking the Hornets offer....So it was not a situation where he rejected a better contract with bigger role to sign with Charlotte who were offering a bench role and low pay.

It was the best he could do for a 1 year rental and than test the market again this summer ..We should see if this summer would be different than last summer.

Last summer wasn't a good indication of lins potential offers. Most folks were waiting on dominoes to fall and the big one was Jordan. Since that backfired after being confirmed Lin just went to Charlotte. If he held out longer he probably would have gotten an mle offer somewhere. Since he believe Charlotte and their pitch there was no reason to wait.

Please correct me as I am not sure, but I thought the MLE means the player must sign for X number of years (I think the number is 3). Hence signing the MLE locks Lin in which he did not want. Charlotte had their MLE that they did not use. Memphis wanted Lin at the MLE.

Nah, could be 1-3 or 1-4 years (depending on which MLE).

[spaceballer]

Yep, Lin sounds different now than right after the series. He's begun to process what went on and wants to do as much as possible on the court in the coming seasons. It sounds like it means exploring all of his options and then going with what seems to be best by whatever criteria and process he goes about doing it. It may mean a Lin appreciation thread here, or not. Right now, let him rest, chill out and try to enjoy his time off until he prepares for FA negotiations, considerations and then working on his game off-season.

I've given up on analyzing his words or thoughts, one day it's this one day it's that, who the heck knows I bet that he doesn't even know of his true intentions yet. It'll be real interesting to see what type of offers he gets, including from the Hornets.

His off-seasons have always been unpredictable. Literally.

The one thing you can say is that it's never boring

Next up is the annual Asia trip. So we have to get through that before he returns for free agency talks.

[uballer]

I really don't want to see us offer much and I doubt we will. If we hadnt signed lamb to that dumb deal I'd be more inclined to bring lin back. But we are stuck with Lamb and we could bring troy Daniels back cheaply. We al ready have entrenched starters at the guard spots.

Even at like $5m/yr we are better off applying that money towards a quality big man as we are very thin up front and playing Cody all year at center is just asking for injury.

It's just not a great use of resources to spend the money on a backup . There is a huge influx of pg entering the league the next two years there will be plenty of options available if Daniels doesn't work out

I don't know rally, I think you missed a lot of Lin stepping up and being instrumental for the team this season and in the 3 playoff wins we had. Backup or not is really irrelevant. The issue isn't Lin's worth or contribution to the team, it's that so many key guys are free agents now and there is need in the front court.

Rally is a troll, if you did not realize.

[bws94]

I really don't want to see us offer much and I doubt we will. If we hadnt signed lamb to that dumb deal I'd be more inclined to bring lin back. But we are stuck with Lamb and we could bring troy Daniels back cheaply. We al ready have entrenched starters at the guard spots.

Even at like $5m/yr we are better off applying that money towards a quality big man as we are very thin up front and playing Cody all year at center is just asking for injury.

It's just not a great use of resources to spend the money on a backup . There is a huge influx of pg entering the league the next two years there will be plenty of options available if Daniels doesn't work out

I don't know rally, I think you missed a lot of Lin stepping up and being instrumental for the team this season and in the 3 playoff wins we had. Backup or not is really irrelevant. The issue isn't Lin's worth or contribution to the team, it's that so many key guys are free agents now and there is need in the front court.

Rally is a troll, if you did not realize.

I won't call him a troll but I think he severely underrates Lin. He all but said Lin would not be a factor in the playoffs yet Lin was instrumental in all 3 wins and said Lin is a below-average guard where he is at worse, average.

[rallydurham]

We'll have to agree to disagree on Lins value in the playoffs. He shot 41% from the field and averaged 2 reb, 2 ast, 0.7 stl.
It's pretty clear lin fans are not able to be objective about his value.

Statistically he produced about ~3 wins this season

For reference kemba was 10, Batum 9, marvin 8, Cody 5.5, lamb, 4, lee 2, al 1,mkg 1, frank 0.5

I mean he's solid in his role and he produced value for his contract but he's not going to likely produce much value on his next deal.

Not being able to shoot really hinders his upside and allows defenders to sag off which takes away from his greatest strength which is penetration.

I think he's a nice change of pace guard who can benefit from leading 2nd units. Between the shooting problems and turnovers its just hard to see him efficiently leading a team

[PG13]

Lin's 41.3% in the playoff was better than all guards except Lamb. Also better than Batum, Marv and Frank.

Who has the shooting problem now?

[bws94]

We'll have to agree to disagree on Lins value in the playoffs. He shot 41% from the field and averaged 2 reb, 2 ast, 0.7 stl.
It's pretty clear lin fans are not able to be objective about his value.

Statistically he produced about ~3 wins this season

For reference kemba was 10, Batum 9, marvin 8, Cody 5.5, lamb, 4, lee 2, al 1,mkg 1, frank 0.5

I mean he's solid in his role and he produced value for his contract but he's not going to likely produce much value on his next deal.

Not being able to shoot really hinders his upside and allows defenders to sag off which takes away from his greatest strength which is penetration.

I think he's a nice change of pace guard who can benefit from leading 2nd units. Between the shooting problems and turnovers its just hard to see him efficiently leading a team

You prove my point. Take him out of games 3, 4 and 5, they are Ls, not Ws. In fact, there is no game 5. We go down in 4 games.

[tonman]

I really don't want to see us offer much and I doubt we will. If we hadnt signed lamb to that dumb deal I'd be more inclined to bring lin back. But we are stuck with Lamb and we could bring troy Daniels back cheaply. We al ready have entrenched starters at the guard spots.

Even at like $5m/yr we are better off applying that money towards a quality big man as we are very thin up front and playing Cody all year at center is just asking for injury.

It's just not a great use of resources to spend the money on a backup . There is a huge influx of pg entering the league the next two years there will be plenty of options available if Daniels doesn't work out

I agree here...I think it's best that Lin and Hornets mutually agree to part ways wih no hard feeling toward each other.

Hornets have too many entrenched guards in Kemba/Batum/MKG who will all play big minutes and than you have a young guy like Lamb who will be expected to be given more of a chance to justify his new contract....So it probably makes no sense to spend good money on Lin which you won't be playing much anyway.

So we all agree that it's probably in Charlotte best interest to tell Lin he should go get his fair market value elsewhere because they can't afford to give him more than 6M-7M as a 15-20mpg player.

Lin, in his part, should thank Charlotte for the opportunity and go look for the best opportunity he can find that will allow him to maximize his skill-set and put him in the best position to succeed as an NBA player.

And the hornets should thank Lin for coming cheaply considering mkg went down and the hornets still ended up tied with the third best record in the east.

[tonman]

We'll have to agree to disagree on Lins value in the playoffs. He shot 41% from the field and averaged 2 reb, 2 ast, 0.7 stl.
It's pretty clear lin fans are not able to be objective about his value.

Statistically he produced about ~3 wins this season

For reference kemba was 10, Batum 9, marvin 8, Cody 5.5, lamb, 4, lee 2, al 1,mkg 1, frank 0.5

I mean he's solid in his role and he produced value for his contract but he's not going to likely produce much value on his next deal.

Not being able to shoot really hinders his upside and allows defenders to sag off which takes away from his greatest strength which is penetration.

I think he's a nice change of pace guard who can benefit from leading 2nd units. Between the shooting problems and turnovers its just hard to see him efficiently leading a team

Okay there's cleveland, San antonio, hmm only one more win.