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The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many

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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#201 » by Hmeach » Wed May 4, 2016 2:01 am

165bows wrote:From the above link:

Goals and Aspirations

Before we map out some fantasy offseasons, let’s set goals:

First, this team needs shooting. They really badly need shooting. Ideally from someone who looks like a traditional small forward.

Second, we need more athleticism. Terry Rozier stood out so much because there’s no one else on the roster like him. A dunker on the front line would be a welcome addition, especially if they’re able to block some shots on the other end.

Third, unless the team goes through a major overhaul with new top-end talent, we need to clear opportunity. There’s no point in drafting a pack of youngsters if the only minutes available to them are in Maine. Even if it costs a few wins in the short-term, we need to see what we have in the youth movement so informed decisions can be made about them in the future.

Fourth, it would be nice to have a star player over 6′ who the rest of the league fears at least a little bit on offense.

Lastly, we don’t want to do anything stupid. The goal is not to be a 52 win team for the next five seasons. We want to reach 52 as part of a sustainable progression, or jump all the way up to 60 and challenge for a banner.


I would argue that not doing anything stupid should be a very high priority lol.

Edit - for those interested, a very good chronology of when things will happen in terms of various decisions (ie, draft, moratorium waiting period, FA period etc).


Must read article. Hopefully Ainge thinks more like this guy and less like some of the fans on this forum.

http://www.celticshub.com/2016/05/02/navigating-the-offseason/

A Brief Aside About Evan Turner

Evan Turner’s situation is complicated. A player establishes different levels of Bird Rights based on how many years it has been since they voluntarily changed teams. Full Bird Rights, the kind that allow a team to re-sign a player for all the way up to their maximum salary even if it bring them over the cap, are established after three seasons. The Logo signed in Boston two years ago, so he carries a lesser type of right known as Early Bird Rights.

Early Bird Rights allow a team to sign their free agent for up to 175% of their previous salary even if that brings them over the salary cap. To sign the player for more than that, they must use cap space. In the coming hyper-aggressive seller’s market, Evan is going to get paid quite a lot. His Early Bird Rights only cover a $6M first season salary, which will not be enough to re-sign him, so whatever you think Turner’s whole 2016-17 salary will be is taken out of cap space.

In effect, if you want to bring back Evan Turner at his market price, you do not think the Celtics can/will have a transformative offseason with multiple major acquisitions. That may very well be the case regardless of what happens with Turner. The question then becomes: Is Evan worth the price not so much in dollars (we’re in an aggressive market, after all) but in minutes. Is it a good idea to close off avenues to a massive offseason while also blocking the development of younger, cheaper alternatives like Terry Rozier and RJ Hunter? In my opinion, no; it’s not a good idea to re-sign Turner regardless of if he’s leaving because the team needs the cap space to acquire two major players, or the team is taking a longer path where internal development is a better choice.

It seems like the clearest path for Evan to return is some sort of middle way. If the team were to acquire one star player, possibly via a trade that moves some of the other options for his role, but then were not able to close on a second one they could then go back to Turner as a veteran fallback. Picture a scenario where the Nets pick and Smart are traded for DeMarcus Cousins, but then Kevin Durant goes back to OKC leaving the Celtics with vacant cap space and a need for another playmaker, for example.
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#202 » by Crossy2008 » Wed May 4, 2016 3:12 am

I was just looking up Cousin's post season stats and was very impressed to see that he hasn't missed a shot.

Has there ever been a star player who resigned with the team he was drafted by who failed to make the playoffs in six seasons? Who managed to get to 30+ wins only once? Even Elton Brand took the Clippers to the playoffs.

The talk is always about how every team needs a star to be successful in this league, but I wonder if Cousins is even a star. He is a volume shooter who can be streaky and has big nights, but how good would he be on a good team? Does he make his teammates worse or better? Does he have a good basketball mind or is he just an aggressive scorer?

I think he is a selfish player that will never be a part of quality NBA basketball team. He actually averages about 4 fouls a game for his career. That seems pretty high. Pierce was on some pretty bad Celtic teams, but the worse seasons he had were better than Cousins best seasons (not entirely true as Pierce was part of a couple bad seasons, but true enough).

We got a good group who work hard and play hard. Maybe that could inspire Cousins to become a better player. Maybe he just needs to get out of Sac. I actually think he might be an OK guy, but he also might be a waste of assets, and Ainge has worked hard to get these assets.

If there is a female GM out there then Cousins may be her number one target because he is made out to be a bad guy, and we all know that girls like the challenge of turning a bad boy into a good guy.
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#203 » by Afam » Wed May 4, 2016 7:13 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/celtics/status/727904097379201024[/tweet]

With Brooklyn’s lottery pick on the horizon as one of three first-round picks and eight overall in the draft and the prospects of a Kevin Durant in free agency, the potential is there.

Does Ainge see any similarity with summer of ’07?

“I’m not sure we have a Paul Pierce on our roster,” Ainge said. “But I do think we have a lot more things to trade, a lot more things to move.”

This, of course, brings up the next point, is anyone on the current roster untouchable?

“Nobody’s ever untouchable. When Kareem Abdul-Jabbar gets traded, you know there’s no such thing as an untouchable in the NBA, or in any league for that matter,” Ainge added. “There’s certain guys that we want to keep and build around and move forward with.”

Ainge acknowledged there are certain players he’d like to keep, a not-so thinly veiled reference to Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder.

Ainge said he doesn’t have a good feel for the pending salary cap (estimated at $89 million next season and $109 the next) and how that might alter trade market.

“I don’t know that. I don’t know. This is new territory for all of us,” Ainge said. “We can all make our predictions but really, I’m not sure. Every team is in a unique situation and a different situation. We’ll be making lots of calls, trying to make trades. Listen, the transcendent players, the good players that you all need to win and to be successful in the NBA, they’re very hard to find and there’s not that many of them. And there’s 30 very qualified teams out there trying to find them all.”

Ainge said the pending explosion of the cap along with the Celtics’ position in the draft makes this year different when looking at free agency and the draft.

“They’re not independent. Some years they’re independent but I think that right now where we are, it’s all combined,” Ainge said. “We have to look at trades, draft and free agency in order to build our team. And with the assets that we have, with the draft, it’s probably one thing.”
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#204 » by 165bows » Wed May 4, 2016 7:13 pm

@byjayking Ainge last year: "We're excited about Jae (Crowder)." Ainge today: "I can't talk about free agents, even our own free agents." Alright.


Lol. No excitement this year.
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#205 » by Parliament10 » Wed May 4, 2016 7:44 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/727917506694926336[/tweet]
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#206 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu May 5, 2016 8:38 am

Jimmy Butler is following Isaiah Thomas, Floyd Mayweather, Jae Crowder, Brian Scalabrine, AND Kevin Durant on Twitter. So we all know what this means, right? Absolutely nothing!

I want Celtics-related rumors with substance so bad. When do we start hearing about them??
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#207 » by BakersDozen » Thu May 5, 2016 12:31 pm

If we go into the next season adding Butler/Barnes/Horford would anyone consider that a failure? Im thinking that might be the best DA can do.


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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#208 » by ryaningf » Thu May 5, 2016 8:47 pm

Interesting from Ainge today on the radio. Basically named his four-man core:

"We're in better position because I think that we're more appealing to a multitude of teams that could do deals, because we have more assets. But we don't have Paul Pierce," Ainge told Toucher & Rich. "But we have Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder. There's a lot of people around the league that find those guys very attractive also. And I'm not saying from a trade standpoint, but I'm saying from an attractiveness standpoint of wanting to play with them, and feel like we do have a good nucleus. And so I think that it's a little bit different, but I think what we have to offer other people is more at this point than we did in (2007)."


But I'd trade any or all of them in the right deal.

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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#209 » by Darth Celtic » Thu May 5, 2016 9:02 pm

Crossy2008 wrote:
The talk is always about how every team needs a star to be successful in this league, but I wonder if Cousins is even a star. He is a volume shooter who can be streaky and has big nights, but how good would he be on a good team? Does he make his teammates worse or better? Does he have a good basketball mind or is he just an aggressive scorer?


A volume shooter is like A. Walker. Cousins averages 27ppg, 11.5 rbg, and 3 assists per game. Shooting 45% from the floor, 33% from 3, and averaging 1.31 points per shot.

A volume shooter scores 20ppg at around 40% from the floor and 1-1.1 pps. I don't agree with the assessment. I can get on board with not a winner, bad attitude, lazy on defense, even not a team player, but not volume shooter. He doesn't display those traits.

Want a volume shooter this year, look at Kobe's stat line. 18ppg, 1.04 pps, 35% from the field.
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#210 » by mbsnmisc » Fri May 6, 2016 12:05 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:The best case scenario for us would be a trade down, like 3 for 7/Gallo, if Denver covets someone and we like a guy we know will be there at 7. Theoretically could happen with Philly, too, depending on lottery balls.

3 for 8/Cauley-Stein is my favorite scenario so far.

If we're past Simmons/Ingram, I don't love Bender or Hield. I like Dunn, but we don't need him. (We could take Dunn and trade Smart for Noel or Trill or Okafor, I guess). Someone lower in the draft, though, could very easily fall in love with Bender or Hield or Dunn or Murray and trade up, and if we think it's a 6 or 8 player tier, works perfectly.



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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#211 » by Shamrock » Fri May 6, 2016 12:24 am

If Whiteside ever gets his head on straight I could see a DPOY in his future. Discpline and lack of effort are holding him back
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#212 » by djFan71 » Fri May 6, 2016 1:32 am

Darth Celtic wrote:Want a volume shooter this year, look at Kobe's stat line. 18ppg, 1.04 pps, 35% from the field.

Yowza! You knew it'd be bad, but seeing those numbers. Wow. 8-)
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#213 » by Ben-N1ce » Fri May 6, 2016 2:07 am

Basically any average FA signing will move up on this sad list :-?

http://hoopshype.com/2016/05/05/the-top-celtic-free-agent-signings-in-recent-history/
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#214 » by Afam » Fri May 6, 2016 6:03 am

"And when Paul (Pierce) and KG (Kevin Garnett) and Ray (Allen) and (Rajon) Rondo, and those guys were here, I would talk to them all the time about what they thought of players, and who they thought fit. And of course Doc Rivers. It's not just me making every decision. A lot of it is the players involvement. And the players know a lot. They know a lot about the makeup, they know a lot about the lifestyles, they know a lot about the commitment of the players that are around the league.

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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#215 » by SMTBSI » Fri May 6, 2016 7:18 am

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I just noticed...

Check out the sponsor of the Brooklyn Nets '15-'16 season page on bbref.

I know the site is defunct, but that's some comedic gold right there.

I can just picture an unsuspecting, hapless Nets fan wandering over to that page to look something up, and doing a double take....
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#216 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri May 6, 2016 2:03 pm

Pretty sure Mike Zarren has every scenario (draft, trade, FA, and any combo) covered.

Here's a live look inside his basement:
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#217 » by peachbucket » Fri May 6, 2016 5:26 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Pretty sure Mike Zarren has every scenario (draft, trade, FA, and any combo) covered.

Here's a live look inside his basement:
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Apparently his basement is where all that intel stays...otherwise Draymond would be our starting power forward.
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#218 » by djFan71 » Fri May 6, 2016 5:35 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Pretty sure Mike Zarren has every scenario (draft, trade, FA, and any combo) covered.
Here's a live look inside his basement:
Spoiler:
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Pretty sure if you zoom in they all say "Remind KD Danny talked to his mom that one time."
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#219 » by Slartibartfast » Fri May 6, 2016 5:49 pm

djFan71 wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:Pretty sure Mike Zarren has every scenario (draft, trade, FA, and any combo) covered.
Here's a live look inside his basement:
Spoiler:
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Pretty sure if you zoom in they all say "Remind KD Danny talked to his mom that one time."


More like, "All ham and eggers and no studs makes BannersOnly a naughty boy"
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Re: The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many 

Post#220 » by djFan71 » Fri May 6, 2016 7:15 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:Pretty sure Mike Zarren has every scenario (draft, trade, FA, and any combo) covered.
Here's a live look inside his basement:
Spoiler:
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Pretty sure if you zoom in they all say "Remind KD Danny talked to his mom that one time."


More like, "All ham and eggers and no studs makes BannersOnly a naughty boy"

I feel like that would look more like this:
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