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DBC10 · Post #1681 » by **DBC10** » Thu May 5, 2016 8:49 pm

joedumars1 wrote:Well Indy made a mistake imo. Let Vogel go. He hasn't had much of a chance with the players he has. How many of them players have been with the team for 3 years? Like 3 or so? I think he did a pretty good job with what he had. Think he should've got 1 more year to see what happens tho

There's rumors that the candidates are McHale, Nate McMillan, and Shaw.

LOL. Larry wtf are you doing.

Pharaoh · Post #1682 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu May 5, 2016 9:53 pm

Bird moved him on because Vogel didn't put PG13 at PF.

That's my take on it. Bird was adamant about them going small and Vogel didn't do it

joedumars1 · Post #1683 » by **joedumars1** » Thu May 5, 2016 10:02 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Bird moved him on because Vogel didn't put PG13 at PF.

That's my take on it. Bird was adamant about them going small and Vogel didn't do it

I hope that's not the case. Weren't they and PG sucking when he played the PF? He did it for awhile until injury I think.

In SVG We Trust · Post #1684 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Thu May 5, 2016 10:14 pm

DBC10 wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:Well Indy made a mistake imo. Let Vogel go. He hasn't had much of a chance with the players he has. How many of them players have been with the team for 3 years? Like 3 or so? I think he did a pretty good job with what he had. Think he should've got 1 more year to see what happens tho

There's rumors that the candidates are McHale, Nate McMillan, and Shaw.

LOL. Larry wtf are you doing.

Yeah, maybe he's getting senile. I read rumors about Mark Jackson too.

Let Vogel go and sign Mark Jackson is like if you could f**k Jessica Alba but finally you prefer your chubby with big breasts small-town friend

DBC10 · Post #1685 » by **DBC10** » Thu May 5, 2016 11:00 pm

PG wasn't even that great when he played PF. He needs to just be loose at the SF position.

Not to mention the comments about him (PG13) early on saying that he doesn't know if he's up for playing PF. The guy started out as a SG that grew over time to play SF. Bird is on some things right now.

Pharaoh · Post #1686 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu May 5, 2016 11:16 pm

GHill/Stuckey/Monta
Monta/Stuckey/GHill
SHill/PG13/Miles
PG13/JHill/Turner
Turner/IM/JHill

Versatile line ups aplenty but Vogel went with a more traditional 2 bigs line up.

Personally I'd like to see Nate McMillan get the job. I think he did a lot of good things in Portland and am surprised he's never been rehired considering the retreads that constantly come back

DBC10 · Post #1687 » by **DBC10** » Fri May 6, 2016 12:48 am

Pharaoh wrote:GHill/Stuckey/Monta
Monta/Stuckey/GHill
SHill/PG13/Miles
PG13/JHill/Turner
Turner/IM/JHill

Versatile line ups aplenty but Vogel went with a more traditional 2 bigs line up.

Personally I'd like to see Nate McMillan get the job. I think he did a lot of good things in Portland and am surprised he's never been rehired considering the retreads that constantly come back

I was so mad when we didn't hire McMillan over Mo Cheeks during the worst year ever in Pistons basketball in recent memory.

kurtis48239 · Post #1688 » by **kurtis48239** » Fri May 6, 2016 1:34 pm

Watching this doc on sho time called (Kobe's Bryant's Muse) and it got me thinking,that he will make 1 hell of a coach 1day if he so chooses.The guy is extremely smart,killer instinct,true leader.

Hopefully he goes the route of assistant coach but than again he doesn't really need to.

If he was available and decided he wanted to come back to the sport and didn't go directly back to the Lakers,I would love to have him on this team in a coaching roll.

kurtis48239 · Post #1689 » by **kurtis48239** » Fri May 6, 2016 1:38 pm

Another thing I've noticed,whenever I see a doc or interviews of teams or players that played our 04 team,we hardly ever get mentioned or if we do its always in a dismissing way,very short.

Just wish that team we get more of the recognision they deserve.

bballnmike · Post #1690 » by **bballnmike** » Fri May 6, 2016 4:11 pm

joedumars1 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Bird moved him on because Vogel didn't put PG13 at PF.

That's my take on it. Bird was adamant about them going small and Vogel didn't do it

I hope that's not the case. Weren't they and PG sucking when he played the PF? He did it for awhile until injury I think.

Bill Simmons agrees with Pharaoh fwiw

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/728240660759764992[/tweet]

BadMofoPimp · Post #1691 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri May 6, 2016 7:57 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Bird moved him on because Vogel didn't put PG13 at PF.

That's my take on it. Bird was adamant about them going small and Vogel didn't do it

What I heard was that PG was fairly adamant that he didn't want to play PF and Vogel stood by his star.

joedumars1 · Post #1692 » by **joedumars1** » Fri May 6, 2016 8:48 pm

bballnmike wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Bird moved him on because Vogel didn't put PG13 at PF.

That's my take on it. Bird was adamant about them going small and Vogel didn't do it

I hope that's not the case. Weren't they and PG sucking when he played the PF? He did it for awhile until injury I think.

Bill Simmons agrees with Pharaoh fwiw

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/728240660759764992[/tweet]

Simmons says he thinks. I know he's in the know more than us lol, but still thinks. That's stupid if true. PG doesn't want to play PF so they might lose him too. Idk his contract situation tho

Pharaoh · Post #1693 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri May 6, 2016 9:26 pm

This Vogel/Bird situation is why SVG wanted full control.

Vogel is a good coach. He listened to his star player.

The GM had other ideas and now the coach is gone.

WTF?

If your star isn't comfortable playing PF why would you force him to?

It's possible Bird brings in a puppet coach who will do everything he says & move PG13 to PF...& it's possible PG13 then leaves when his contract expires!

Coming to a workable compromise between all concerned surely wouldn't have been difficult?

joedumars1 · Post #1694 » by **joedumars1** » Fri May 6, 2016 10:41 pm

Pharaoh wrote:This Vogel/Bird situation is why SVG wanted full control.

Vogel is a good coach. He listened to his star player.

The GM had other ideas and now the coach is gone.

WTF?

If your star isn't comfortable playing PF why would you force him to?

It's possible Bird brings in a puppet coach who will do everything he says & move PG13 to PF...& it's possible PG13 then leaves when his contract expires!

Coming to a workable compromise between all concerned surely wouldn't have been difficult?

I think Bird is going senile. He did say he doesn't believe he would make it past a certain age recently I think. If he does lose a player of PG caliber because he wants him to play PF wow. He is close to bron and kd level at sf imo. Hell he could probably do sweet at point guard like Giannis. Bron and kd could do that too

tmorgan · Post #1695 » by **tmorgan** » Fri May 6, 2016 11:37 pm

Eh. As of today, Paul George is clearly a better defender than Durant (always) and Bron (unless he's really locked in), but he's not at all the same caliber of offensive player. The guy can certainly get scorching hot for a couple of weeks, but his shot selection is extremely questionable at times, and he doesn't have the elite IQ (Bron) or super elite length (Durant) that lets him make the right decisions or tough shots consistently.

He's a near-elite player, mind you, because real two-way guys are so rare, but he's not taking a team anywhere by himself.

Pharaoh · Post #1696 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat May 7, 2016 12:18 am

tmorgan wrote:Eh. As of today, Paul George is clearly a better defender than Durant (always) and Bron (unless he's really locked in), but he's not at all the same caliber of offensive player. The guy can certainly get scorching hot for a couple of weeks, but his shot selection is extremely questionable at times, and he doesn't have the elite IQ (Bron) or super elite length (Durant) that lets him make the right decisions or tough shots consistently.

He's a near-elite player, mind you, because real two-way guys are so rare, but he's not taking a team anywhere by himself.

No player takes a team anywhere by himself.

PG13 is the foundation you can build a successful team around - but not at PF

Imagine PG13 with Teague, Korver, Millsap & Horford...

DBC10 · Post #1697 » by **DBC10** » Sat May 7, 2016 2:24 am

tmorgan wrote:Eh. As of today, Paul George is clearly a better defender than Durant (always) and Bron (unless he's really locked in), but he's not at all the same caliber of offensive player. The guy can certainly get scorching hot for a couple of weeks, but his shot selection is extremely questionable at times, and he doesn't have the elite IQ (Bron) or super elite length (Durant) that lets him make the right decisions or tough shots consistently.

He's a near-elite player, mind you, because real two-way guys are so rare, but he's not taking a team anywhere by himself.

He's really a guy minus defense that can do everything solid. Defensively he's always been great, not Kawhi level great, but great in general because of the length and combo of speed.

Offensively is where he kinda tapers off a bit and his biggest bottleneck toward absolute superstardom. He always seems to start off red hot in the beginning of the season, and then just kind of disappears after a while, putting up duds with great games in between.

He's a definite tease in that circumstance.

El Chivo · Post #1698 » by **El Chivo** » Sat May 7, 2016 8:04 am

Looks like being swept by Cavs is not that humiliation...

Pharaoh · Post #1699 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat May 7, 2016 8:40 am

El Chivo wrote:Looks like being swept by Cavs is not that humiliation...

We put up a better fight than Atlanta!

Tobias was here for what? 30 games before the playoffs - where familiarity and continuity matter most!

I know the average casual fan thinks that when you run a play its designed to get option A a shot - they don't realise you also have option B and option C

Those other options are easier to execute when players have experience together - which is why coaches value continuity more than GMs ever will

I honestly believe that if we manage to sign one quality bench PG this off-season it will make a huge difference...and if we also get a decent bench PF/C....well that's not the icing on the cake, that's the cherry!

Dre/Baynes
Harris/Mook
Mook/SJ/Bull
KCP/Meeks/Hilly
RJ

We all know our weaknesses - SVG, Bower & our guys can fix most of them this off-season!

In SVG We Trust · Post #1700 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Sat May 7, 2016 9:08 am

This team with Amir Johnson and Dellavedova could be a hell of a team. We probably would take the Cavs to the 6 or 7 games.