The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3)

JordansBulls · Post #21 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat May 7, 2016 11:54 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:Anyone sick of the way that LeBron gets his opponents under-credited whenever he beats them.

For instance the 2012 celtics were too old despite them playing way above theo record in 2010 and were dismissed as has beens . The 2012 OKC team is just a bunch of kids who were happy to be there, the 2013 pacers shouldnt have pushed the heat to 7 games. The 2015 hawks who won 60+ games ( albeit they were on the Lower end but they were still a tough ECF team ) were dismissed like they were the hawks who barely made the playoffs last year. Now Cleveland has faced a few strong defense including a -5.0+ DRTG Atlanta and killed it and now these teams identities are being rewritten. Even if they beat GSW or SAS in the finals im sure they'll be talk of how the warriors the past two years were a fluke or the spurs aren't as good as prime Duncan teams and benefited from curry's injury and LeBron missed the clearly better team.

Anyone else notice this, even from people who don't hate on LeBron directly. If he wins, it's not cause of him being tough but the opponent being weak. It's almost comic book levels, where a villain sees all his henchman defeated even his #2 and blames them all for being too weak instead of acknowledging the hero

I am just going to mention why I think this is the case.

I think they get credit for beating the Thunder for sure people just say Thunder choked because of Harden. The 2012 Celtics were nothing special and it isn't that they beat them it is that they fell behind in the series 3-2 to them. 2013 Pacers were ok, but considering one team won 66 and another under 50 games that is why people may bring it up. 2015 Hawks were a team that was tied up 2-2 against a 38 win team in round 1 so you knew you weren't going to expect much from them nor do they have a marquee star. Not like they were a 2004 Pistons team with tight defense or something.
I think they will get the credit if they beat the Spurs or Warriors though. Don't see how they could not unless Curry doesn't play or something.

MisterHibachi · Post #22 » by **MisterHibachi** » Sun May 8, 2016 1:23 am

RSCD3_ wrote:Anyone sick of the way that LeBron gets his opponents under-credited whenever he beats them.

For instance the 2012 celtics were too old despite them playing way above theo record in 2010 and were dismissed as has beens . The 2012 OKC team is just a bunch of kids who were happy to be there, the 2013 pacers shouldnt have pushed the heat to 7 games. The 2015 hawks who won 60+ games ( albeit they were on the Lower end but they were still a tough ECF team ) were dismissed like they were the hawks who barely made the playoffs last year. Now Cleveland has faced a few strong defense including a -5.0+ DRTG Atlanta and killed it and now these teams identities are being rewritten. Even if they beat GSW or SAS in the finals im sure they'll be talk of how the warriors the past two years were a fluke or the spurs aren't as good as prime Duncan teams and benefited from curry's injury and LeBron missed the clearly better team.

Anyone else notice this, even from people who don't hate on LeBron directly. If he wins, it's not cause of him being tough but the opponent being weak. It's almost comic book levels, where a villain sees all his henchman defeated even his #2 and blames them all for being too weak instead of acknowledging the hero

Remember how Cavs beating the Hawks/Bulls last year without two of their best players meant the East was so weak that the Cavs could beat these teams even with a handicap, yet GS looking to go up 3-0 on the 5th seed and there's people saying Portland would be the second best team in the East. Such double standards.

Dupp · Post #23 » by **Dupp** » Sun May 8, 2016 6:09 am

Stolen from realcavs but heres a graph highlighting lebrons free throw attempts drop off....

Playoffs

Compared to Kawhi

and Durant

Then theres there issue of lebron receiving hard fouls more and more frequently without any reward or consequence for the opposing player. Its getting a bit ridiculous.

Lue has to pipe up about it and take a fine. Lebron was asked about the teague foul post game and he just neutralizes the situation. He's saying all the right things to be on the right side of the refs but its not really helping at all.

In regards to that teague foul lebron actually gave those guys all his gear from the game and caught up with them after the game for a few minutes and chatted with him which was cool of him.

Theres also a stat floating around that lebron is a 19% 3 point shooter for his career when landing on one foot and 40% when landing on two. No idea how that could be accurate or whatever but theres some videos floating around and what not.

SideshowBob · Post #24 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun May 8, 2016 1:47 pm

Colbinii · Post #25 » by **Colbinii** » Sun May 8, 2016 2:48 pm

I really want to see the Delly/Smith/LeBron/Love/Thompson lineup more often.

RSCD3_ · Post #26 » by **RSCD3_** » Sun May 8, 2016 4:08 pm

JR smith is rocking a 145 ORTG thanks to 71.2 TS% and an almost mistake free 2.8 TOV%, Dont think itll hold but he's been killing it with only a mere 13.2 USG%

Greatness · Post #27 » by **Greatness** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:00 pm

How is that not a foul?

Greatness · Post #28 » by **Greatness** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:30 pm

His handles driving against Sefolosha have been shaky this series.

Mutnt · Post #29 » by **Mutnt** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:36 pm

Cavs defense is garbage, need to clean that up before going to the Finals.

toodles23 · Post #30 » by **toodles23** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:40 pm

Cavs continue to be mind bogglingly hot from three. Truly ridiculous.

rich316 · Post #31 » by **rich316** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:43 pm

Mutnt wrote:Cavs defense is garbage, need to clean that up before going to the Finals.

Yeah as scary as they look on offense at times, I fear their defense puts a ceiling on the team. They run the risk of getting blown out of the game by the Spurs or Dubs.

SideshowBob · Post #32 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:04 pm

And just like that ORTG at 125 again

IG2 · Post #33 » by **IG2** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:13 pm

His leaping ability really went down this season.

SideshowBob · Post #34 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:17 pm

what's the point of getting to the line if you can't make em

SideshowBob · Post #35 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:19 pm

IG2 wrote:His leaping ability really went down this season.

Last season too. This year it's up and down, there were nights where he got up but its inconsistent.

toodles23 · Post #36 » by **toodles23** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:22 pm

SideshowBob wrote::lol: what's the point of getting to the line if you can't make em

My bold prediction is that he overhauls his FT routine by the start of the next game.

Really poor showing by Lebron shooting wise in the 2nd half, he's missed every shot - 2 layups, 3 threes, and 2 FTs.

SideshowBob wrote:
IG2 wrote:His leaping ability really went down this season.

Last season too. This year it's up and down, there were nights where he got up but its inconsistent.

He had some games late in the season where he looked really bouncy, but that hasn't continued in the playoffs.

SideshowBob · Post #37 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:24 pm

I think he's shooting like 46% on 16-23 footers. If he's going to shoot off the dribble against a loaded interior then step in and shoot from 20 feet. Leave the threes for catch and shoots and for when they drop under the screen or P&P with Delly

SideshowBob · Post #38 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:26 pm

SideshowBob wrote:I think he's shooting like 46% on 16-23 footers. If he's going to shoot off the dribble against a loaded interior then step in and shoot from 20 feet. Leave the threes for catch and shoots and for when they drop under the screen or P&P with Delly

He was 4/9 before tonight so 6/11 now. 55% :lol:

IG2 · Post #39 » by **IG2** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:33 pm

Last season too. This year it's up and down, there were nights where he got up but its inconsistent.

I actually thought his leaping was back to normal last season after the 2 week break. This year, it has pretty much been at the same level from the start, and it's a level noticeably below what it's been in his career. Which is understandable, he's getting old, but it does make scoring a lot harder for him.

SideshowBob · Post #40 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun May 8, 2016 9:48 pm

Love's really good at hitting a cutting Lebron down the middle.