Official BKN Pick Watch Thread 2016 Season [3.0]

[The Corey's]

The wait is getting hard

[ConstableGeneva]

Dave Joerger let go by Memphis. Next domino to fall would be Conley whether he leaves the Grizz or not. Will Gasol's foot injury be an issue for the rest of his stay there? Other pieces are either irrelevant or old. Future for this team is murky. Good for us!

[DK-All Day]

Dave Joerger let go by Memphis. Next domino to fall would be Conley whether he leaves the Grizz or not. Will Gasol's foot injury be an issue for the rest of his stay there? Other pieces are either irrelevant or old. Future for this team is murky. Good for us!

They should of traded off their veterans when they had to chance to acquire young talent and picks. They are screwed now.

[celtxman]

If the Celtics win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league wanted to persuade Kevin Durant to go to Boston. That's the only way they could revive the Lebron vs. Durant rivalry, since OKC wasn't likely to get out of the East.

If the Lakers win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league needs a large market team like LA to thrive.

If the Sixers win it, then it is definitely rigged. That was their reward for firing Hinkie, who was making a mockery out of tanking.

If Phoenix wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league needs small market teams like Phoenix to thrive, just to bring balance to the league.

If Minnesota wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to ensure that Wiggins and Towns would make deep playoff runs, as well as bolster ratings in Canada.

If New Orleans wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted Anthony Davis to be paired up with another superstar, so they could make deep playoff runs.

If Sacramento wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to reward Vivek Ranadive because he kept the team in Sacramento and for building a new arena.

If Denver wins it, then it is definitely rigged. Stan Kroenke paid Silver close to $100 million under the table.

Ok, I'm tired of making conspiracies up. You guys can finish off the rest of the teams.

Exactly. When you are unsuccessful at luck, you look for conspiracies. Personally I wish they put a moratorium on trades that extend past 2020, and look to implement a wheel system st that time. I know it will never happen, but if you want fairness, every team gets the #1 pick every thirty years and every pick in between in that span

[Dave_From_NB]

Exactly. When you are unsuccessful at luck, you look for conspiracies. Personally I wish they put a moratorium on trades that extend past 2020, and look to implement a wheel system st that time. I know it will never happen, but if you want fairness, every team gets the #1 pick every thirty years and every pick in between in that span

In order to implement the wheel system, you'd need to have a draw, and the conspiracy tin foil hat brigade would be all over it. How about they do the draw, and the Celtics need to wait 15 years for number 2 and 30 years for their turn to come up for number 1? Imagine every Celtics draft thread for the next 30 years being barfed on with accusations that Silver had it out for the C's and screwed them over. I don't see the wheel accomplishing even the slightest good in terms of quieting the conspiracy crowd.

[SMTBSI]

My fix: have a lottery much the same as now, except that every year the #1 overall pick is awarded to one of eight teams: the four playoff teams with the worst records and the four non-playoff teams with the best records.

Over the long haul, the majority of the high picks still go to the teams that need talent the most, but tanking can never get you the top pick, and, every year, one team with a non-traditional profile will get to bring home the top pick.
- A treadmill team like Atlanta or Toronto or Washington that refused to to blow it up, gets rewarded for their stubborn insistence on being competitive, and an instant boost off the treadmill.
- A team that is genuinely short on talent, but had too much dignity to tank, gets rewarded for their efforts.
- A young team with an already promising core (Detroit, Utah, MIlwaukee) gets a huge addition to make them even more exciting to their fanbase.
- An aging team falling out of their championship window (Dallas) gets an unexpected windfall, that might allow them to pull out of the flames.

Additionally, now the competition to push for the playoffs as the season winds down will be absolutely brutal. Every team in that 7th to 11th seed range will be scrapping and clawing to get to the postseason, for experience/revenue and a 1/8th shot at the top pick, instead of going in the tank for slightly improved odds of the #2 or 3 pick.


Q: Won't teams like the Spurs or Warriors, who know they can turn it on whenever they need to, just hang around at the 7th seed and punch their ticket to the playoffs and a chance at the top pick?
A: I don't believe so. If you are a good enough team that you know there's no chance you'd slip up a key game or two and accidentally miss the playoffs, then you're probably already a prime championship contender. Better to just take a top seed and home court. Championships are incredibly hard to come by, and if you're in good position to make an attempt at one, it's probably best not to screw around too much.

If that remains a concern, though, you could probably tweak it. Something like the top pick being awarded to one of all 16 playoffs teams, with a modest reverse-lottery setup. I.E. the playoff team with the 16th best record has a somewhat better than 1-in-16 chance of getting it, and the playoff team with the best record has a somewhat less than 1-in-16 chance.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

My fix: have a lottery much the same as now, except that every year the #1 overall pick is awarded to one of eight teams: the four playoff teams with the worst records and the four non-playoff teams with the best records.

Over the long haul, the majority of the high picks still go to the teams that need talent the most, but tanking can never get you the top pick, and, every year, one team with a non-traditional profile will get to bring home the top pick.
- A treadmill team like Atlanta or Toronto or Washington that refused to to blow it up, gets rewarded for their stubborn insistence on being competitive, and an instant boost off the treadmill.
- A team that is genuinely short on talent, but had too much dignity to tank, gets rewarded for their efforts.
- A young team with an already promising core (Detroit, Utah, MIlwaukee) gets a huge addition to make them even more exciting to their fanbase.
- An aging team falling out of their championship window (Dallas) gets an unexpected windfall, that might allow them to pull out of the flames.

Additionally, now the competition to push for the playoffs as the season winds down will be absolutely brutal. Every team in that 7th to 11th seed range will be scrapping and clawing to get to the postseason, for experience/revenue and a 1/8th shot at the top pick, instead of going in the tank for slightly improved odds of the #2 or 3 pick.


Q: Won't teams like the Spurs or Warriors, who know they can turn it on whenever they need to, just hang around at the 7th seed and punch their ticket to the playoffs and a chance at the top pick?
A: I don't believe so. If you are a good enough team that you know there's no chance you'd slip up a key game or two and accidentally miss the playoffs, then you're probably already a prime championship contender. Better to just take a top seed and home court. Championships are incredibly hard to come by, and if you're in good position to make an attempt at one, it's probably best not to screw around too much.

If that remains a concern, though, you could probably tweak it. Something like the top pick being awarded to one of all 16 playoffs teams, with a modest reverse-lottery setup. I.E. the playoff team with the 16th best record has a somewhat better than 1-in-16 chance of getting it, and the playoff team with the best record has a somewhat less than 1-in-16 chance.

Dude, that's kinda brilliant.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, I'd never thought of putting that range of teams in play for the top pick.. Trying to think of unintended consequences, but does sound like a fascinating idea.. Much better than the wheel.

The big risk would just be aggravating have-nots, if an 8 seed gets Wiggins and then gets Towns the next year as a 6 seed, that's a hell of a dynasty.. It also means that OKC the year they had injuries and picked Cameron Payne would've had a shot at the first pick.

Best thing would be to run simulations based on last few years of standings to see what the outcomes would look like.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The idea of injecting top talent into the middle of the league instead of the bottom is a great one..

[mbsnmisc]

I'll just leave this here. It happened less than a year ago in Serbia. Google it if you want, read about it and form your own opinion.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls6zq9ibHpY[/youtube]

I have nothing against those who think the lottery isn't rigged. I honestly believe (or at least want to believe) that it isn't. But to think it can't be done or ridicule those who believe in foul play is something I find naive. In my experience, people like that are usually too young or too well-natured to believe in cheating. Life usually teaches them otherwise.

And please don't call it a conspiracy. It's just a good old-fashioned rigging.

I don't wear a tin foil hat, never been abducted by aliens and I don't believe that chemtrails are an Illuminati plot to pacify the population. But I remember this scandal, so anyone that dismisses lottery fixing outright is naive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pennsylvania_Lottery_scandal

The black helicopters I see circling my house are no big deal... right ?

[galipeautim]

Dave Joerger let go by Memphis. Next domino to fall would be Conley whether he leaves the Grizz or not. Will Gasol's foot injury be an issue for the rest of his stay there? Other pieces are either irrelevant or old. Future for this team is murky. Good for us!

They should of traded off their veterans when they had to chance to acquire young talent and picks. They are screwed now.

We would still give them a ton for Gasol...noy sure if screwed is the right word.

[celtxman]

Exactly. When you are unsuccessful at luck, you look for conspiracies. Personally I wish they put a moratorium on trades that extend past 2020, and look to implement a wheel system st that time. I know it will never happen, but if you want fairness, every team gets the #1 pick every thirty years and every pick in between in that span

In order to implement the wheel system, you'd need to have a draw, and the conspiracy tin foil hat brigade would be all over it. How about they do the draw, and the Celtics need to wait 15 years for number 2 and 30 years for their turn to come up for number 1? Imagine every Celtics draft thread for the next 30 years being barfed on with accusations that Silver had it out for the C's and screwed them over. I don't see the wheel accomplishing even the slightest good in terms of quieting the conspiracy crowd.

....unless the luck favors the Celtics, that would quiet people and that's the point. Following that logic that people are worried about luck in picking for a wheel system then I suppose they also feel we will be drafting 6th, right? Either way you're talking conspiracy theories. There would be one last, ping pong ball event to end all luck and unfairness withe the wheel. If you're going to go the route that the Celtics will pick #1 in 30 years, then you also have to include that the Celtics will not have gotten the #1 pick anyway so at least in 30 years there is something to look forward to. How has the #1` overall worked out so far with the Celtics?
I'll be on the edge of my seat, like everybody else who apparently likes some kind of lottery system and I'll be jumping up and down like everybody else should they finally get lucky. That's all I have. This board is probably a microcosm of the NBA fan world and I doubt that even 5% of people nationwide would be in favor of the wheel. The NBA makes too much money off of the lottery system to change. So we can have many, many more tanking threads to enjoy in 30 years instead, and the NBA can collect on the fan interest and revenues with it's own version of steroids. Too strong? Baseball players took drugs to hit the ball farther and were rewarded. NBA teams are deliberately trying to lose games and getting rewarded

[165bows]

Joerger stabilized the Grizzlies, a franchise that is, behind the scenes, as dysfunctional as any in professional sports. That's not well known around the sporting world because the team is out of the limelight in Tennessee and owner Robert Pera hasn't been as public with his roundball lunacy over the last two years — in part because Joerger won a power struggle with him in 2014.

If you don't recall, Joerger interviewed for the Minnesota Timberwolves job in May 2014, despite being under contract with the Grizzlies. Pera was cool with the interview because he wanted Joerger to leave. Joerger didn't get the job and opted to return to Memphis — going all-in after Pera's no-ante call.
...

When the Grizzlies started the 2014-15 season 2-3, Pera flew to Memphis to talk to players individually. He floated the idea of Mike Miller being a player-coach and, most famously, that Joerger wear a headset — like a football coach — to receive information from an eye in the sky.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/dave-joerger-fire-coach-memphis-grizzlies-sacramento-kings-roster-frank-vogel-nba-job-open-050716

Predicts that Memphis will hire Frank Vogel at the end of the article.

[mbsnmisc]

Joerger stabilized the Grizzlies, a franchise that is, behind the scenes, as dysfunctional as any in professional sports. That's not well known around the sporting world because the team is out of the limelight in Tennessee and owner Robert Pera hasn't been as public with his roundball lunacy over the last two years — in part because Joerger won a power struggle with him in 2014.

If you don't recall, Joerger interviewed for the Minnesota Timberwolves job in May 2014, despite being under contract with the Grizzlies. Pera was cool with the interview because he wanted Joerger to leave. Joerger didn't get the job and opted to return to Memphis — going all-in after Pera's no-ante call.
...

When the Grizzlies started the 2014-15 season 2-3, Pera flew to Memphis to talk to players individually. He floated the idea of Mike Miller being a player-coach and, most famously, that Joerger wear a headset — like a football coach — to receive information from an eye in the sky.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/dave-joerger-fire-coach-memphis-grizzlies-sacramento-kings-roster-frank-vogel-nba-job-open-050716

Predicts that Memphis will hire Frank Vogel at the end of the article.

Let's see...

dysfunctional franchise
aging roster
non free agent destination
best player over 30 and coming off of a broken foot
second best player also post 30 and UFA
third best player over 35
fourth best player over 34
fifth best player 38
coaching issues
best division in pro sports
already lost one first round pick
now rumors that Conley might follow Joeger to Sacramento

That Memphis pick might be 3 or 4 years down the road, but it could be tasty. If I were DA I would keep that one in my pocket.

[The Corey's]

1 week man.

Oh god

[LarryBirdsFingr]

aw lawd help us

[Turgon]

I'll just leave this here. It happened less than a year ago in Serbia. Google it if you want, read about it and form your own opinion.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls6zq9ibHpY[/youtube]

I have nothing against those who think the lottery isn't rigged. I honestly believe (or at least want to believe) that it isn't. But to think it can't be done or ridicule those who believe in foul play is something I find naive. In my experience, people like that are usually too young or too well-natured to believe in cheating. Life usually teaches them otherwise.

And please don't call it a conspiracy. It's just a good old-fashioned rigging.

I don't wear a tin foil hat, never been abducted by aliens and I don't believe that chemtrails are an Illuminati plot to pacify the population. But I remember this scandal, so anyone that dismisses lottery fixing outright is naive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pennsylvania_Lottery_scandal

The black helicopters I see circling my house are no big deal... right ?

Thank you. That is one more example of what can be done if you are willing to risk it. And for those who don't believe people in the forefront of sports organizations could be involved in such scandals, just google the words "fifa", "Blatter" and "Platini" and read what happened in the world's biggest sports association.

[2Mas]

I'll just leave this here. It happened less than a year ago in Serbia. Google it if you want, read about it and form your own opinion.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls6zq9ibHpY[/youtube]

I have nothing against those who think the lottery isn't rigged. I honestly believe (or at least want to believe) that it isn't. But to think it can't be done or ridicule those who believe in foul play is something I find naive. In my experience, people like that are usually too young or too well-natured to believe in cheating. Life usually teaches them otherwise.

And please don't call it a conspiracy. It's just a good old-fashioned rigging.

I don't wear a tin foil hat, never been abducted by aliens and I don't believe that chemtrails are an Illuminati plot to pacify the population. But I remember this scandal, so anyone that dismisses lottery fixing outright is naive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pennsylvania_Lottery_scandal

The black helicopters I see circling my house are no big deal... right ?

How has nobody mentioned that body in that dress? lol.

God damn. **** the actual drawing. It's a crime if that woman is doing the drawing for the league & it ain't on TV!

[2Mas]

Let's see...

dysfunctional franchise
aging roster
non free agent destination
best player over 30 and coming off of a broken foot
second best player also post 30 and UFA
third best player over 35
fourth best player over 34
fifth best player 38
coaching issues
best division in pro sports
already lost one first round pick
now rumors that Conley might follow Joeger to Sacramento

That Memphis pick might be 3 or 4 years down the road, but it could be tasty. If I were DA I would keep that one in my pocket.

Agree with you 100% on this.

Yo we should trade them their own pick back to them. Let them tank 2 years & get a great pick.

Amir + Young + Mem Pick + Dallas pick. - maybe a 2nd in there too. Would that be enough? Getting their pick back is underrated because it lets them control their own destiny.

But counter thought -- I don't think Memphis has a choice to rebuild. So that's automatically a great pick.

16 - Nets high lotto.
17 - Nets high Lotto.
18 - Nets high Lotto.
19 - Grizz high lotto.

Sid enote - Memphis fans should be grateful for that run. Yeah, they only got to the wcf once & got swept, but they were always in a fight. Rarely got blown out. Every series was 6 or 7 (win or loss). They proved that they can build a team. Fans should give ownership a chance to rebuild there.

[The Corey's]

The Memphis pick in in 2019?

Or is that the year the protection falls off?

No doubt in my mind if it's just simply a unprotected first in 2019 that we are looking good boys, and get Jeff green it's looking like a massive steal