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Herges Talks Urias & Lee 

Post#341 » by Ranma » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:19 am

Jacob Unruh, The Oklahoman (4/22/16)
Q: You worked with Urias in Rancho Cucamonga two years ago and Tulsa last season. Now entering his third start in OKC, what do you think of his development?

A: So far this year I've been happy with what I'm seeing. I think the biggest hurdle for him, in my opinion, was just how to handle emotions in game, and he's been great. He expect himself to be awesome every time out and sometimes his expectations aren't met. Sometimes he may get hit hard, an umpire may squeeze him or an error is made behind him. This year, so far, he's been great. He's grown up emotionally. We all know about his stuff and his arm and what he can do on the baseball field, but it's the other things you can't quantify on a computer he's needed the most work in.
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Zach Lee was impressive last season here, but he looks even better this season. What's stood out to you about him?

He's developed himself into being a guy. Let's be honest, he should probably be in the big leagues and he knows that. He's a Dodger right now and that's where he wants to be, but in this game there's 29 other teams. Every time you're out there pitching you're pitching for your team first, but you're also pitching for the scouts in the stands. He should be in the big leagues.

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Russo's Take on Urias' 3rd Start for OKC 

Post#342 » by Ranma » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:31 am

This is the 2nd time Justin Russo posted animated gifs of Urias' strikeouts. The 1st post was in the 2016 Regular Season Thread when there were technical difficulties with the board. It's good to see him utilizing his breaking pitches to strike out batters this time around.

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Re: Prospects and trade discussion 

Post#343 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:13 pm

Is there a reason we're not stretching him beyond 5 innings?

Looks like in 3 starts he's thrown 5 innings each time no matter what.
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Cultivating a Prized Prospect in Bloom 

Post#344 » by Ranma » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:35 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Is there a reason we're not stretching him beyond 5 innings?

Looks like in 3 starts he's thrown 5 innings each time no matter what.


The organization wants to continue to be careful with him in easing him to a bigger workload for his young arm, so I'm not surprised he's been at 5 innings. Of course, a lot may depend on how his stamina holds up from night to night, but the plan was always to bring him along slowly.

I was a little surprised to hear about him dealing with and growing from some slight emotional issues given talk about his advanced approach and playing older than his age, but I guess it shouldn't be unexpected because of the expectations he has for himself.
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Re: Prospects and trade discussion 

Post#345 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:45 am

Where'd you see that about his emotional issues?
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Nothing to Be Concerned About Really (Per Matt Herges) 

Post#346 » by Ranma » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:33 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Where'd you see that about his emotional issues?

Ranma wrote:Jacob Unruh, The Oklahoman (4/22/16)
Q: You worked with Urias in Rancho Cucamonga two years ago and Tulsa last season. Now entering his third start in OKC, what do you think of his development?

A: So far this year I've been happy with what I'm seeing. I think the biggest hurdle for him, in my opinion, was just how to handle emotions in game, and he's been great. He expect himself to be awesome every time out and sometimes his expectations aren't met. Sometimes he may get hit hard, an umpire may squeeze him or an error is made behind him. This year, so far, he's been great. He's grown up emotionally. We all know about his stuff and his arm and what he can do on the baseball field, but it's the other things you can't quantify on a computer he's needed the most work in.

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Re: Prospects and trade discussion 

Post#347 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:50 pm

I don't care if he's hard on himself or upset at an ump squeezing him but I hate when pitchers show up their own teammates when they make an error.

The whole world knows the **** up. The fans are booing (or cheering on the road), just move on.
Kershaw didn't **** on Hanley ruining his perfect game, so no other Dodger pitcher is afforded that right imo.
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Prepping Urias for Eventual Call-Up This Season? 

Post#348 » by Ranma » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:05 am

Dustin Nosler, DodgersDigest.com (4/28/16)
With some Dodger starters struggling — Scott Kazmir (though, he was solid on Wednesday), Alex Wood and, to a lesser extent, Ross Stripling — Urias’ call to the majors might come earlier than expected. At least, maybe it should be considered.

In his first three starts, Urias has a 3.00 ERA, 3.21 FIP, 33.4 K% (20 strikeouts), 3.4 BB% (two walks) and a great .193 batting average against. Those are dominant numbers. There’s a number that’s even more dominant: his swinging strike rate.

Urias has induced 40 swings and misses in his first three games, good for a 17.2 percent swinging strike rate. For comparison’s sake, Noah Syndergaard and Michael Pineda (!) lead MLB with a 16.6 swinging strike rate thus far. Now, Urias wouldn’t come up and get a swinging strike on every sixth pitch he throws, but the talent is apparent and obvious (and has been for the last three years).

Hyun-Jin Ryu threw a bullpen session earlier this week, but he’s still a long way away from coming back. Even when (if) he does, there’s no telling how well he’s going to pitch. Brandon McCarthy is in the same boat, as he also threw a bullpen earlier in the week. But he’s probably even farther away than Ryu. So, why not give Urias a chance?

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Ben Badler, BaseballAmerica.com (4/29/16)
Larry (Long Island): Who gets called up first Urias or de Leon

Ben Badler: If De Leon were healthy, I would have said him, but he has to get back on the field first. I'm not saying they should (and in fact I wouldn't call him up yet if I were in their shoes), but if the Dodgers wanted to bring up Urias tomorrow, he could help them right away.
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Jose (Queens, NY): Glasnow or Urias, which pitcher is most likely to make an impact this year and how do they project as a #1 or #2?

Ben Badler: Just for this year, Glasnow. I think Urias can help the Dodgers this year, I just can't see the Dodgers jumping his innings high enough over last year to make a bigger impact than what Glasnow could do in the second half.

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Badler Discusses De Leon, Urias, and Diaz in Chat 

Post#349 » by Ranma » Thu May 5, 2016 2:10 am

Ben Badler, BaseballAmerica.com (5/4/16)
Kyle (Los Angeles, CA): What a great AAA debut for Jose De Leon last night. What does he project as to you, a frontline or mid-rotation SP?
Ben Badler: Could develop into a No. 2 or 3 starter.
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Jobu (Dallas): How long until we get to see Urias? Seems like he's done with AAA--another 6 IP, 0 hits, 0 walks, 6 Ks today.
Ben Badler: It sounds ridiculous to say about a 19-year-old, but he’s ready now, in terms of the stuff and pitchability. The problem is what the Dodgers do about his workload, both on the macro level in terms of how they want to manage his innings increase from last year when he threw just 80 innings and more immediately on the micro level of whether they will allow him to go more than 5-6 innings into a start, which over a full major league season puts additional stress on their bullpen when you’re counting on relievers for four innings every time he pitches.
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Gunther Pickles (EL Paso TX): Tell me about Yusniel Diaz of LA and his upside compared to guys like Vic Robles and Julio-Martinez Cubs. Love the chat, keep up the good work
Ben Badler: Good combination of athleticism and hitting ability. There’s length to the swing but he has the hand-eye coordination to find the barrel with a line-drive stroke and power that’s improved since he left Cuba, with the speed to play center field. Much better prospect than Eddy Julio Martinez. Not in the Robles class (not many are) but he has the upside to develop into a Top 100 prospect at some point.

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Talking Urias on Cinco de Mayo 

Post#350 » by Ranma » Thu May 5, 2016 2:59 pm

Albert Chen, Sports Illustrated (5/4/16)
With Scott Kazmir’s health concerns and Alex Wood’s struggles, Los Angeles could soon have a decision to make with 19-year-old Jose Urias, who has struck out 23 and posted a 2.50 ERA in 18 innings at Triple A Oklahoma City.

“He’s ready, and he is going to be very, very special," said one scout who has seen Urias pitch recently. "Fabulous arm, fabulous stuff. He gets a lot of swings out of the strike zone, because his stuff is so good. It’s a big curveball, though the one thing I’ll say is that those types of pitches don’t seem to be called strikes up here. He’ll have to make adjustments. But his stuff is going to play. He’s 19, so they’re not going to rush him, but if someone goes down or somebody struggles, they’re going to have to consider calling him up. And that might be soon.”

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Julio Urias, lhp, Dodgers. The No. 4 overall prospect in the game, the Dodgers have carefully monitored the teenager’s innings. For just the sixth time in 66 pro appearances, Urias pitched six innings Wednesday, and what a great six innings they were. Only one runner reached—on an error (and Urias picked him off)—and Urias struck out six for Triple-A Oklahoma City against New Orleans (Marlins). He threw 52 of 77 pitches for strikes. Through five games, he’s struck out 29, walked three and given up just 14 hits in 24 innings. Urias has a fastball that can touch 97, a swing-and-miss changeup and a put-away curveball. All that’s left to prove in the minors is that he can withstand a starter’s workload.
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Austin Barnes, cf, Dodgers. Already known for his great versatility, Barnes added center field to his list of positions on Wednesday. Playing behind Urias, Barnes did not have a chance in the outfield, but Oklahoma City was confident enough to station him there. Barnes had two hits and a stolen base as well. Barnes, 26, lacks a standout tool, but he gets on base and does the little things that add to his value.
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Erisbel Arruebarrena, ss, Dodgers. Arruebarrena, who signed for $25 million over five years in 2014, has been suspended by the Dodgers for the remainder of the season without pay, according to Barry Lewis of the Tulsa World. Director of player development Gabe Kapler told reporters that the suspension occurred due to “repeated failure to comply with the terms of his contract.” He was also suspended five games by the Triple-A Pacific Coast League in 2014 for his role in a benches-clearing brawl. Known for his glove, Arruebarrena has just a .624 OPS this season after a solid 2015 with the bat.

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Re: Prospects and trade discussion 

Post#351 » by Quake Griffin » Thu May 5, 2016 4:09 pm

This is why I don't view Urias as a normal prospect and give me a second to develop my point.

I think the casual fan is oblivious to who is in their team's farm system and does not care. You either win games for them now or you mean nothing. If you don't think this is the case, Theo Epstein's seat was hot in Chicago (well some fans were calling for his job) before last season even though anybody could see they were on the verge of success.


I think at least some of our casual fans know who Urias is because he's a phenom with an incredible story and he's so young. So, no Ken Rosenthal, we shouldn't have just dealt him for 3 years of 32 year old Cole Hamels. Moreover (and my main point), this front office is eventually going to face pressure to call this kid up before 2016 is over and I think they're going to have to cave and give Dodger fans what they want.
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Roberts Considering Rookies for Dodgers' Bullpen 

Post#352 » by Ranma » Sat May 7, 2016 6:31 pm

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Re: Prospects and trade discussion 

Post#353 » by Neddy » Sat May 7, 2016 6:56 pm

out of that trio, isn't Cotton the one who is groomed to be the next closer/setup man?
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Stretched Out as Starter 

Post#354 » by Ranma » Sat May 7, 2016 7:07 pm

Neddy wrote:out of that trio, isn't Cotton the one who is groomed to be the next closer/setup man?


Yeah, but like with Josh Sborz, they've been stretching him out as a starter in the minors.
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Re: Stretched Out as Starter 

Post#355 » by Neddy » Sun May 8, 2016 5:50 pm

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Neddy wrote:out of that trio, isn't Cotton the one who is groomed to be the next closer/setup man?


Yeah, but like with Josh Sborz, they've been stretching him out as a starter in the minors.



looked up his numbers, Sborz has turned himself as the staff ace of the Quakes ballclub. his 34/9 SO/BB ratio is pretty good but wow his 0.91 WHIP in his current 38.1 innings. not bad at all.
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Concerns About Rushing Urias 

Post#356 » by Ranma » Thu May 12, 2016 10:46 am

Chad Moriyama, DodgersDigest.com (5/8/16)
In order for Urias to eventually meet the lofty expectations as a starter, he will actually have to become a starter at some point. As Dustin pointed out last year, the timing of Urias undergoing elective eye surgery caused him to regress in terms of building up his innings and arm strength. Urias still hasn’t thrown more than 87.2 innings in a year, has yet to throw more than six innings, and hasn’t topped 90 pitches, so inserting him into the rotation seems almost dangerous (if not unfair to an already shaky pen), while putting him in the bullpen certainly won’t help him develop stamina or further prepare him for the role the team has planned for his future.

Of course, some future aces do indeed start off in relief, but I can’t recall a situation like the one Urias is in with regards to being called up for a probable relief role with his current level of inexperience as a starter in the minors. I’m just unsure how the Dodgers plan to help Urias reach his ceiling as a starter if he’s called up in May and used as a reliever.

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It’s definitely not hard to understand why it’s tempting to just give Urias the call, but after thinking through the potential ramifications of the move, it certainly seems like something that exposes the prized prospect to a bunch of risk (injury or developmental). That’s something the Dodgers have desperately tried to avoid over the years with regards to Urias, so throwing caution into the wind now would be an odd decision.

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Re: Prospects and trade discussion 

Post#357 » by Quake Griffin » Thu May 12, 2016 6:28 pm

We've carried 13 pitchers before this season, why couldn't we do it with him?
We built Stripling up from a pitch count at the major league level, why not Urias?

He's pitched more innings in AAA than Kershaw and Stripling combined.

The benefits to building him up at the major league level, helping him process information, and dealing with the ups and downs of performance far outweigh those little concerns to me. I'd much rather have him go into the winter with some innings under his belt and a good idea of what he was to work on for next season, so he can pitch in 2017.
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Usage of Urias in MLB 

Post#358 » by Ranma » Fri May 13, 2016 1:27 am

I actually think Julio Urias is close to ready for the Majors if he isn't already. I am concerned with taking care to build up his arm with regards to his innnings pitched since he has yet to throw 200 innings in a season thus far. I'm not concerned with his confidence should he struggle as I think his mental makeup would just push him to do better. I'm particularly worried with how the Dodgers plan to use him at the Major-League level.

I personally don't want us fooling around with transitioning him from reliever to starter. I want him focused on being a starter from the outset. However, given that he still needs to build up stamina and endurance, we can't expect him to last more than 5 innings as a starter if he were to be called up for this season. Obviously, this would tax our already vulnerable bullpen. I wouldn't mind as much if Urias was used in the bullpen for the postseason because the experience of being in that hyper-competitive environment would add so much to his development in preparing on how to compete at the highest level.

Basically, I want Urias called up when we're sure that he's ready and, if he's ready, I want him afforded the time to stick in the rotation rather than call him up for a quick cup of coffee or sending him down upon the first sign of struggles. Hyun-Jin Ryu is supposedly close to being ready to return in the next month or so, so I'm not sure if calling up Urias now would be much of a benefit for his development if he isn't given the opportunity to stick in the starting rotation.
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Urias Getting Increased Consideration for the Bullpen 

Post#359 » by Ranma » Fri May 13, 2016 10:00 pm

Jim Callis, MLB.com (5/13/16)
6. Julio Urias, LHP, Dodgers (Previous rank: 4)
Baseball's best left-handed pitching prospect has three plus pitches, and he tops the Triple-A Pacific Coast League in ERA (1.50), WHIP (0.80) and opponent's average (.176), while Los Angeles has an injury-riddled rotation and is talking about calling him up. Urias would rank higher if the Dodgers weren't thinking about deploying him as a reliever -- something they should have done the past two postseasons -- and the fact that he's unlikely to exceed 120 innings this year at age 19.

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3. Julio Urias, lhp, Dodgers

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Triple-A Oklahoma City (Pacific Coast)
Age: 19
Why He’s Here: 1-0, 0.00, 6 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 4 SO, 3 BB

The Scoop: This is your weekly reminder that Urias is the youngest pitcher in the Pacific Coast League. The new wrinkle is that the Dodgers have discussed making him the youngest pitcher in the major leagues. Word out of Los Angeles is that Urias could come up to bolster a beleaguered bullpen. And why not? Urias and his devastating three-pitch mix continue to dominate much older Triple-A hitters. He hasn’t allowed a run in his past 16 innings, which spans four starts. In his last three turns in the rotation, he has lasted 15 innings, allowed no runs on seven hits and four walks and struck out thirteen. He won’t turn 20 until August. (JN)

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Re: Usage of Urias in MLB 

Post#360 » by Neddy » Fri May 13, 2016 10:50 pm

Ranma wrote:
I personally don't want us fooling around with transitioning him from reliever to starter. I want him focused on being a starter from the outset. However, given that he still needs to build up stamina and endurance, we can't expect him to last more than 5 innings as a starter if he were to be called up for this season. Obviously, this would tax our already vulnerable bullpen. I wouldn't mind as much if Urias was used in the bullpen for the postseason because the experience of being in that hyper-competitive environment would add so much to his development in preparing on how to compete at the highest level.

Basically, I want Urias called up when we're sure that he's ready and, if he's ready, I want him afforded the time to stick in the rotation rather than call him up for a quick cup of coffee or sending him down upon the first sign of struggles. Hyun-Jin Ryu is supposedly close to being ready to return in the next month or so, so I'm not sure if calling up Urias now would be much of a benefit for his development if he isn't given the opportunity to stick in the starting rotation.



I don't think it is all that big of a deal to bring up a kid as a reliever first. Tommy did it with Bulldog, and Orel sure did okay when given the chance to eventually start. Tommy never gave that chance to Pedro and he turned out alright too. the innings total is more of a concern and I would prefer him be a short middle relief guy right now to secure the 6-7 innings rather than have him be a crucial 8th inning setup man, and we must rely on him come post season and risk going past his limits. but other than that, I think it would be a blast to see this kid being the first guy to relief starters in trouble.
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