Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[shadrock]

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The thing is, 'want' isn't an exclusive term. He could want to return to Atlanta, whilst also wanting to sign with another team/s.

This is why I find reporting on FAs around this time of year to be frustrating. Players are just gonna say whatever will appease the local media of that area, generally.

Even if he didnt want to return, he would likely still say "yes" just to get the nagging reporters off his back. Why would he care about being honest to a reporter?

[Patrick1978]

It would be nice to sign horford.
But i think he will stay in Atlanta .
I think noah,sessions ,lin,henderson,jeff gree, teletovic ,rush,anderson,ezeli,biyombo,mahinmi are more realistic for us.
Also resign smith and fournier.

[Catledge]

If ATL drops a 5-year vet max on Horford, then they are basically committing to the core that just got swept for the second year in a row. Without any internal improvement to look forward to other than Shroder, that seems like a tough commitment to make.

[BadMofoPimp]

If ATL drops a 5-year vet max on Horford, then they are basically committing to the core that just got swept for the second year in a row. Without any internal improvement to look forward to other than Shroder, that seems like a tough commitment to make.

If Shroder and Bazemore continue to improve, the Hawks could still be a very solid team for years. And, if their GM is crafty, they could make a future move to contend without having to rebuild. It all comes down to their GM again.

[Jiwol]

Whatevs. Do we really need Horford here? I'd welcomed him on one and only one condition - that he brings KD with him. I don't like his disappearing act in the play-offs every year. At least it just seems to me that he goes ghost when it matters. Throwing max at this guy would be a major mistake.

[Magicman125]

If ATL drops a 5-year vet max on Horford, then they are basically committing to the core that just got swept for the second year in a row. Without any internal improvement to look forward to other than Shroder, that seems like a tough commitment to make.

If Shroder and Bazemore continue to improve, the Hawks could still be a very solid team for years. And, if their GM is crafty, they could make a future move to contend without having to rebuild. It all comes down to their GM again.

I think they may make moves to go out and get Danny Green if the rumors of the Spurs trying to lure KD are true and successful. San Antonio will have to find takers for both Diaw and Green, and I think the Hawks would be able to replace Korver/Hinrich with Green.

[BadMofoPimp]

If ATL drops a 5-year vet max on Horford, then they are basically committing to the core that just got swept for the second year in a row. Without any internal improvement to look forward to other than Shroder, that seems like a tough commitment to make.

If Shroder and Bazemore continue to improve, the Hawks could still be a very solid team for years. And, if their GM is crafty, they could make a future move to contend without having to rebuild. It all comes down to their GM again.

I think they may make moves to go out and get Danny Green if the rumors of the Spurs trying to lure KD are true and successful. San Antonio will have to find takers for both Diaw and Green, and I think the Hawks would be able to replace Korver/Hinrich with Green.

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

[fendilim]

If Shroder and Bazemore continue to improve, the Hawks could still be a very solid team for years. And, if their GM is crafty, they could make a future move to contend without having to rebuild. It all comes down to their GM again.

I think they may make moves to go out and get Danny Green if the rumors of the Spurs trying to lure KD are true and successful. San Antonio will have to find takers for both Diaw and Green, and I think the Hawks would be able to replace Korver/Hinrich with Green.

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

I still think the Hawks would need a go-to scorer to take their game to the next level. I'm afraid that would also be the case for us. Hopefully, Mario can be THAT guy.

[BadMofoPimp]

I think they may make moves to go out and get Danny Green if the rumors of the Spurs trying to lure KD are true and successful. San Antonio will have to find takers for both Diaw and Green, and I think the Hawks would be able to replace Korver/Hinrich with Green.

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

I still think the Hawks would need a go-to scorer to take their game to the next level. I'm afraid that would also be the case for us. Hopefully, Mario can be THAT guy.

I think if a team develops an Elite top 3 defense, then a solid team oriented offensive system involving alot of ball movement would overcome those obstacles.

[tiderulz]

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

I still think the Hawks would need a go-to scorer to take their game to the next level. I'm afraid that would also be the case for us. Hopefully, Mario can be THAT guy.

I think if a team develops an Elite top 3 defense, then a solid team oriented offensive system involving alot of ball movement would overcome those obstacles.

no, playoffs every year show the "team offense" teams go down and you need that 1 or 2 players that can go out and get a bucket, get to the foul line, create disruption

[BadMofoPimp]

I still think the Hawks would need a go-to scorer to take their game to the next level. I'm afraid that would also be the case for us. Hopefully, Mario can be THAT guy.

I think if a team develops an Elite top 3 defense, then a solid team oriented offensive system involving alot of ball movement would overcome those obstacles.

no, playoffs every year show the "team offense" teams go down and you need that 1 or 2 players that can go out and get a bucket, get to the foul line, create disruption

I don't fully believe that. A good coach can take a team all the way with an elite defense and players who can pass the ball and drive to the rim when needed. And, when Dipo, Vooch, Mario, AG and company are in their mid to late 20's, I am positive a few of them can go out and get a bucket whenever they are needed to. But, an Elite defense wins championships, not a player who can get his own buckets.

[tiderulz]

I think if a team develops an Elite top 3 defense, then a solid team oriented offensive system involving alot of ball movement would overcome those obstacles.

no, playoffs every year show the "team offense" teams go down and you need that 1 or 2 players that can go out and get a bucket, get to the foul line, create disruption

I don't fully believe that. A good coach can take a team all the way with an elite defense and players who can pass the ball and drive to the rim when needed. And, when Dipo, Vooch, Mario, AG and company are in their mid to late 20's, I am positive a few of them can go out and get a bucket whenever they are needed to. But, an Elite defense wins championships, not a player who can get his own buckets.

look at who has won and who has "team offense" with no real star. When the playoffs start, you need that go-to scorer. Your only example even close to that, that you can point to is Detroit. And if we can put together a team with top-5-8 players at 4 of 5 positions and a great role player at the 5th position, then yes, that would work. but that rarely if ever happens. teams do "team offense" when they dont have their star or go-to scorer. like the Academies that run the wishbone because they dont have the players to lineup and run a normal offense.

[BadMofoPimp]

no, playoffs every year show the "team offense" teams go down and you need that 1 or 2 players that can go out and get a bucket, get to the foul line, create disruption

I don't fully believe that. A good coach can take a team all the way with an elite defense and players who can pass the ball and drive to the rim when needed. And, when Dipo, Vooch, Mario, AG and company are in their mid to late 20's, I am positive a few of them can go out and get a bucket whenever they are needed to. But, an Elite defense wins championships, not a player who can get his own buckets.

look at who has won and who has "team offense" with no real star. When the playoffs start, you need that go-to scorer. Your only example even close to that, that you can point to is Detroit. And if we can put together a team with top-5-8 players at 4 of 5 positions and a great role player at the 5th position, then yes, that would work. but that rarely if ever happens. teams do "team offense" when they dont have their star or go-to scorer. like the Academies that run the wishbone because they dont have the players to lineup and run a normal offense.

So, when the Spurs won their last Ship, who was their "Go To Scorer." Because, that there is a built TEAM, not a goto Superstar who gets their points for them when called upon. Now they have Aldridge, but before him, the Spurs were not a goto scorer team for the past decade. And, don't say Ginobili as he hasn't been a goto scorer for the past 8-10 years.

People too often fall into the delusion that their team will go nowhere unless they have a Lebron or Curry to score all their points for them whenever they need offense. It don't work like that. Teams can win ships. The problem is right now when the NBA handed Cleveland 3 elite scorers. Golden State developed their team, but I don't think those players outside of Curry would be the same on other teams because they have Kerr.

[OrlChamps2030]

Other than bringing Durant with him, i really havent seen any convincing reasons on why bringing in Horford on a 4 year max deal is a good idea. I dont see the fit nor do i think his production is worth his price tag

[fendilim]

I think if a team develops an Elite top 3 defense, then a solid team oriented offensive system involving alot of ball movement would overcome those obstacles.

no, playoffs every year show the "team offense" teams go down and you need that 1 or 2 players that can go out and get a bucket, get to the foul line, create disruption

I don't fully believe that. A good coach can take a team all the way with an elite defense and players who can pass the ball and drive to the rim when needed. And, when Dipo, Vooch, Mario, AG and company are in their mid to late 20's, I am positive a few of them can go out and get a bucket whenever they are needed to. But, an Elite defense wins championships, not a player who can get his own buckets.

It is a mix of both. Good defense and a go-to scorer.

[tiderulz]

I don't fully believe that. A good coach can take a team all the way with an elite defense and players who can pass the ball and drive to the rim when needed. And, when Dipo, Vooch, Mario, AG and company are in their mid to late 20's, I am positive a few of them can go out and get a bucket whenever they are needed to. But, an Elite defense wins championships, not a player who can get his own buckets.

look at who has won and who has "team offense" with no real star. When the playoffs start, you need that go-to scorer. Your only example even close to that, that you can point to is Detroit. And if we can put together a team with top-5-8 players at 4 of 5 positions and a great role player at the 5th position, then yes, that would work. but that rarely if ever happens. teams do "team offense" when they dont have their star or go-to scorer. like the Academies that run the wishbone because they dont have the players to lineup and run a normal offense.

So, when the Spurs won their last Ship, who was their "Go To Scorer." Because, that there is a built TEAM, not a goto Superstar who gets their points for them when called upon. Now they have Aldridge, but before him, the Spurs were not a goto scorer team for the past decade. And, don't say Ginobili as he hasn't been a goto scorer for the past 8-10 years.

People too often fall into the delusion that their team will go nowhere unless they have a Lebron or Curry to score all their points for them whenever they need offense. It don't work like that. Teams can win ships. The problem is right now when the NBA handed Cleveland 3 elite scorers. Golden State developed their team, but I don't think those players outside of Curry would be the same on other teams because they have Kerr.

first of all, i didnt say a go-to superstar i said a go-to scorer. And Kawhi was acting like that for the Spurs in their last title. And when they were winning a bunch of titles, it was Parker/Duncan as their go-to scorers.

So i apparently have to modify my statement, if you have 3 HOF players, or a team of top-5 players at their position, then you can do it that way. Now tell me how many teams get 3 HOF's at the same time.

[BadMofoPimp]

no, playoffs every year show the "team offense" teams go down and you need that 1 or 2 players that can go out and get a bucket, get to the foul line, create disruption

I don't fully believe that. A good coach can take a team all the way with an elite defense and players who can pass the ball and drive to the rim when needed. And, when Dipo, Vooch, Mario, AG and company are in their mid to late 20's, I am positive a few of them can go out and get a bucket whenever they are needed to. But, an Elite defense wins championships, not a player who can get his own buckets.

It is a mix of both. Good defense and a go-to scorer.

With the advent of the Pick and Role offense being so prevalent, I would say Elite defense and great shooters mixed with some guys who can take it to the rack could also get the job done. But, there would have to be great chemistry and execution like the Spurs have.

[BadMofoPimp]

look at who has won and who has "team offense" with no real star. When the playoffs start, you need that go-to scorer. Your only example even close to that, that you can point to is Detroit. And if we can put together a team with top-5-8 players at 4 of 5 positions and a great role player at the 5th position, then yes, that would work. but that rarely if ever happens. teams do "team offense" when they dont have their star or go-to scorer. like the Academies that run the wishbone because they dont have the players to lineup and run a normal offense.

So, when the Spurs won their last Ship, who was their "Go To Scorer." Because, that there is a built TEAM, not a goto Superstar who gets their points for them when called upon. Now they have Aldridge, but before him, the Spurs were not a goto scorer team for the past decade. And, don't say Ginobili as he hasn't been a goto scorer for the past 8-10 years.

People too often fall into the delusion that their team will go nowhere unless they have a Lebron or Curry to score all their points for them whenever they need offense. It don't work like that. Teams can win ships. The problem is right now when the NBA handed Cleveland 3 elite scorers. Golden State developed their team, but I don't think those players outside of Curry would be the same on other teams because they have Kerr.

first of all, i didnt say a go-to superstar i said a go-to scorer. And Kawhi was acting like that for the Spurs in their last title. And when they were winning a bunch of titles, it was Parker/Duncan as their go-to scorers.

So i apparently have to modify my statement, if you have 3 HOF players, or a team of top-5 players at their position, then you can do it that way. Now tell me how many teams get 3 HOF's at the same time.

I don't get it. Magic will have a few players who will average just as many PPG as Parker and Duncan within the next season or two and you won't consider them go to scorers?

If Vooch is almost as good as scorer as Duncan was at this stage already, then isn't Vooch considered a "Go To Scorer?" Mario's shooting efficiency is already almost as good as Parker. Not sure if you are just taking Superstar talents or Big name players and making them out to be Go to Scorers.

[tiderulz]

So, when the Spurs won their last Ship, who was their "Go To Scorer." Because, that there is a built TEAM, not a goto Superstar who gets their points for them when called upon. Now they have Aldridge, but before him, the Spurs were not a goto scorer team for the past decade. And, don't say Ginobili as he hasn't been a goto scorer for the past 8-10 years.

People too often fall into the delusion that their team will go nowhere unless they have a Lebron or Curry to score all their points for them whenever they need offense. It don't work like that. Teams can win ships. The problem is right now when the NBA handed Cleveland 3 elite scorers. Golden State developed their team, but I don't think those players outside of Curry would be the same on other teams because they have Kerr.

first of all, i didnt say a go-to superstar i said a go-to scorer. And Kawhi was acting like that for the Spurs in their last title. And when they were winning a bunch of titles, it was Parker/Duncan as their go-to scorers.

So i apparently have to modify my statement, if you have 3 HOF players, or a team of top-5 players at their position, then you can do it that way. Now tell me how many teams get 3 HOF's at the same time.

I don't get it. Magic will have a few players who will average just as many PPG as Parker and Duncan within the next season or two and you won't consider them go to scorers?

If Vooch is almost as good as scorer as Duncan was at this stage already, then isn't Vooch considered a "Go To Scorer?" Mario's shooting efficiency is already almost as good as Parker. Not sure if you are just taking Superstar talents or Big name players and making them out to be Go to Scorers.

I think you do get it, you just want to argue. I get it, i do that sometimes too. But its one thing to average 18 points, its another to be a go-to scorer and be able to give someone the ball in crunch time and they can score, get to the foul line or create an easy bucket for someone else. Dipo is the closest thing I think we have to that, but he is not nearly there yet.

[fendilim]

I don't fully believe that. A good coach can take a team all the way with an elite defense and players who can pass the ball and drive to the rim when needed. And, when Dipo, Vooch, Mario, AG and company are in their mid to late 20's, I am positive a few of them can go out and get a bucket whenever they are needed to. But, an Elite defense wins championships, not a player who can get his own buckets.

It is a mix of both. Good defense and a go-to scorer.

With the advent of the Pick and Role offense being so prevalent, I would say Elite defense and great shooters mixed with some guys who can take it to the rack could also get the job done. But, there would have to be great chemistry and execution like the Spurs have.

The spurs? Uhm.. They do have superior go-to scorers. Duncan? Manu? Now... Kawhi? Aldridge?

Well, here's a quote from a personality who's been in the league for years, as a FO personnel and player.

Ainge was pressed on what type of player the Celtics might be most interested in adding to help the team elevate further towards legitimate contender status.

"I think the one thing that we could really use is a go-to scorer," said Ainge. "We have some guys that have carried us -- Kelly [Olynyk has] carried us, Avery [Bradley has] carried us, Isaiah [Thomas has] carried us, [Jared Sullinger has] carried us at moments during the season, Evan Turner has carried us -- but it would be nice to find another player that’s a reliable scorer at the end of games, night in and night out."
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4721396/at-top-of-danny-ainges-holiday-shopping-list-a-go-to-scorer

Tbh, i dont think vuc and dipo have that kind of potential. I'm hoping mario can, because of his ability to create shots for his teammates. But whether he can improve on HIS ability to finish strong remains to be seen. Right now, he's much better as a facilitator than someone who can create shots for his own because of his weak ability to create through traffic, partly because of his dribbling and weak strength