The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right?

[Laimbeer]

Not if they can sign Horford. I wouldn't pay Bazemore what he'll command. See who you can add.

[TheAlchemist]

I think continuity is severely underrated in basketball. I actually have no idea about the statistics, but I'd be willing to bet for every 08 Celtics there's a champion with 1+ year of continuity.

Keep the core together, do something with the new cap room to add to it. Personally, the wings are the weakest spots to me. Korver's got great gravity, so he's probably the least expendable of the two.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. Soo....it's not that people underrate Al Horford, it's the fact that they have gotten swept back to back years by Cleveland. So why bring back the same core? Especially an aging one?

Quote is so inapplicable. lol.

Continuity is VERY important. Just check out the Spurs. That's part of what one of the most legendary teams ever have done.

[Arp590]

Definition of a treadmill team.

I think the Grizzlie's fit that definition much better.

[Rafael122]

I think continuity is severely underrated in basketball. I actually have no idea about the statistics, but I'd be willing to bet for every 08 Celtics there's a champion with 1+ year of continuity.

Keep the core together, do something with the new cap room to add to it. Personally, the wings are the weakest spots to me. Korver's got great gravity, so he's probably the least expendable of the two.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. Soo....it's not that people underrate Al Horford, it's the fact that they have gotten swept back to back years by Cleveland. So why bring back the same core? Especially an aging one?

Quote is so inapplicable. lol.

Continuity is VERY important. Just check out the Spurs. That's part of what one of the most legendary teams ever have done.

Sure, but as another poster said, Atlanta doesn't have a Kawhi or Aldridge on this team. Not to mention Pop is a hall of fame coach. It's easy to sit here and say "be like the Spurs" but Atlanta doesn't have the talent.

I don't think Atlanta should rebuild, retooling is the right word.

[Jody Smokz]

Um no they didn't Milsap is probably one of the more underrated players in the league and 20M is about to be a solid salary this offseason. Not even sure how you could say it was a mistake to retain one of the more productive guys in the league when he was ready to sign with Orlando.

The Hawks are basically Jazz of the East. They play an antiquated style that was played in 2009 by the Carlos Boozer and Deron teams and they have the same results of getting owned every year.

They made a mistake by giving Milsap a 20 mill per year deal. That said, they should trade Teague and Splitter to the Rockets for Ariza and Brewer. Rockets need a PG and a center and Hawks get a sf/sg because Bazemore is gone. Then trade Korver to the Clippers for Wesley Johnson. The Hawks put a slow defender , Milsap on Lebron. You need a along athletic guy like Ariza and Wes Johnson. Hawks need to resign Horford and reunite him with his college teammate Brewer.

Hawks Lineup.

Horford
Milsap
Ariza
Brewer
Schroeder

[Jody Smokz]

And other teams aren't?

Horford and Bazemore are gone. Should have traded Teague over the summer. Hawks going to have to rebuild.

Bazemore maybe. Hawks won't let Harford walk. They are going to offer him a max contract which will be around 25m a year for the next 4 or 5 years.

[Jody Smokz]

Kyle Korver is actually a solid defender and probably a better one than Wesley Johnson. You should really stop posting.

They made a mistake by giving Milsap a 20 mill per year deal. That said, they should trade Teague and Splitter to the Rockets for Ariza and Brewer. Rockets need a PG and a center and Hawks get a sf/sg because Bazemore is gone. Then trade Korver to the Clippers for Wesley Johnson. The Hawks put a slow defender , Milsap on Lebron. You need a along athletic guy like Ariza and Wes Johnson. Hawks need to resign Horford and reunite him with his college teammate Brewer.

Hawks Lineup.

Horford
Milsap
Ariza
Brewer
Schroeder

Brewer is not a good defender or player and isn't he signed for like $8 million a year for another 2 years.

You can hide bad defenders. Lakers went to the finals with Radmanovic. Granted, the Celtics whooped them in the finals but Ariza and Bynum were injured. I think Teague and Splitter make 16 mill total just like Ariza and Brewer so salaries match. Brewer and Splitter is a push talent wise but Ariza brings a defensive/offensive sf. Korver is useless just like wes johnson but at least wes johnson can bang with lebron on defense.

[OptionZero]

Millsap wasn't a mistake - that dude is amazing, and $20M is less some of these mediocre wings are gonna get this offseason.

The Bazemore deal is going to bite them in the ass a bit, just like the Carroll deal - they were only 2 years, not 3. ATL does not earn full Bird rights, and needs cap space to re-sign Kent. They won't have that if they keep Horford.

Teague and Schroeder aren't that good, merely solid. Korver's older. Millsap's terrific, but Horford . . . he's gonna be a terrible contract in a couple years if u max him for the full five

ATL is kinda f'd. Shoulda dealt Teague and Horford for a bounty this trade deadline

[DirtybirdGA]

Hell yes, shake it up blow it up whatever tired of looking pathetic in the postseason. They aren't getting much better, too small up front and mentally weak with no leader.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

And other teams aren't?

Horford and Bazemore are gone. Should have traded Teague over the summer. Hawks going to have to rebuild.

Bazemore maybe. Hawks won't let Harford walk. They are going to offer him a max contract which will be around 25m a year for the next 4 or 5 years.

Horford says he wants to stay with the hawks and you have to remember this is the same hawks organization that bid against themselves to pay Joe Johnson that absurd contract. On top of that the Hawks can pay him the most money. I don't think there are a ton of teams will to max him out after his showing against the cavs. (14 PPG and 3 RPG)

[Jody Smokz]

Im not buying that he simply is going to stay b/c he "loves Atlanta". That's typical free agency talk. He may resign but others will be waiting and offering deals and potential to go further than being swept by the Cavs every year. He's been there 10 years and it's the same story with ATL. Solid reg season and weak playoffs.

And other teams aren't?

Bazemore maybe. Hawks won't let Harford walk. They are going to offer him a max contract which will be around 25m a year for the next 4 or 5 years.

Horford says he wants to stay with the hawks and you have to remember this is the same hawks organization that bid against themselves to pay Joe Johnson that absurd contract. On top of that the Hawks can pay him the most money. I don't think there are a ton of teams will to max him out after his showing against the cavs. (14 PPG and 3 RPG)

[DreamTeam09]

Horford definitely want's out. He want's the bright lights and be the Man Man. Toronto would love to have him. You can have Ross + Patterson + picks. I do see Horford leaving if another playoff team somewhere can give him 20+ mill. Teague or Schroder is gone, and by that point, I don't see why Milsap would stay.

I don't see how Horford or Milsap doesn't end up in boston.

[Hawkeyes]

The Hawks badly need inside help as usual and need an upgrade at SG. Al Horford just had 14 rebounds in 4 games and Korver was easily shutdown by Cleveland. It's a tough situation...Hawks have no luck attracting stars to join them and rebuilding through the draft doesn't guarantee they'll end up being better than their current team. The reality: The league has 3 title contenders. Cleveland, Golden State, and San Antonio. You can argue OKC, but I don't see anyway in hell they beat SA, GS, and Cleveland in a row. It's easy to laugh at Atlanta and call them a treadmill team, but almost every playoff team is a "treadmill" team by definition since they have no shot at the title but are good enough to make the playoffs. Should all of these teams tank and fight among themselves for 2-3 potential franchise changing prospects each year? The entire East is stuck and has no chance at challenging LeBron and the Cavs unless they can attract a big time star like KD or hit the lottery in the draft. The Josh Smith/Joe Johnson led Hawks were able to make the playoffs consistently, but they played an awful brand of basketball that was hard on the eyes and they badly needed a shake up. These Hawks are enjoyable to watch and well coached, but there's only so much you can do vs a team of Cleveland's caliber who has 34 million more in payroll. I hope they explore realistic/reasonable upgrades going forward and don't throw everything away just because they can't defeat one of the greatest players of all time.

[Doctor MJ]

They finally produced a team worth getting fans into some seats. Rebuilding is the last thing they should do.

This. Franchises can't actually afford to think in terms of "championship or bust" when they still are worried about actually keeping a fanbase.

If Horford chooses to leave then it's possible that Atlanta will decide to blow it up, but if they can maintain this level of success for the next few years, this is SO much better than the shape they had been in for a long time.

[sfernald]

Definition of a treadmill team.

A playoff treadmill team is infinitely better than a lotto treadmill team tho.

[og15]

You can hide bad defenders. Lakers went to the finals with Radmanovic. Granted, the Celtics whooped them in the finals but Ariza and Bynum were injured. I think Teague and Splitter make 16 mill total just like Ariza and Brewer so salaries match. Brewer and Splitter is a push talent wise but Ariza brings a defensive/offensive sf. Korver is useless just like wes johnson but at least wes johnson can bang with lebron on defense.

The main point is that Brewer is not a good player and will not do anything for the Hawks. He's a mediocre defender at best and a poor offensive player and he has a couple of years left.

Your plan is to make a roster where Brewer is starting, that's awful.

Our team has Plan a, b and c/d

A. Resign Horford is 1st. Franchise player, our defensive system only works with him and he's a team player. Nothing matters without A.

B. Go all in for Durant. If that fails..

C. Look at the trade market.

D. Free agency market. Not that ample. See if Grant could convince Deng to leave Miami or Green to leave LAC.

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I don't think you want Jeff Green

Give me the 411 on Green. I can't lie, I didn't watch Memphis much this year and he didn't stand out with LA to me. What do you think?

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Green is that player that will show flashes of brilliance, but on the average night is a below average player. Essentially he is just a below average player. His physical tools and ability to do a couple of different things decently well is what makes people keep thinking "oh he just needs the right situation". The reality is that for his physical tools, his rebounding is not that impressive, his defense is average at best, but probably below average really. He doesn't shoot well enough from 3PT range to be a great threat, but he's just good enough. He can get near the basket and finish when at the rim, but he drives and throws up a lot of difficult runners and shots from inside the paint but not at the rim. He can post up against mismatches, but I don't know if he can consistently kill the mismatches or make effective plays out of those situations where it's a great asset.

He's just good enough / "meh" at everything, and as a starter he's not going to push you further as a team. For example if he was "meh" at everything except he was very good and versatile defender, that changes things. If he was "meh" at everything, but he was a consistently 38-40% 3PT shooter, that could change things. He'll be 30 in August and just being "meh" has described him for some time now, so he's a fine bench player, or even maybe a starter at the 3 if your options are light, but if we're looking at Atlanta for example, depending on how much Bazemore will command in the market, Green is not giving you more than him impact wise.

[PandaKidd]

I have a feeling Horford gets resigned, he COULD go the Millsap route and do a 2+1 or a 1+1 and try for the ful l 10 year boat next year when the cap is at its highest. (17-18).

Baze is gone, much like Carroll we cant afford to pay him.

I have a feeling Teague is not here, they are ready to hand it over to DS. If they can turn Teague/Korver into a younger athletic wing, more importantly SF, Id be all in. Personally I would run at Harrison Barnes.

I think they believe SPliter was just hurt, and if hes healthy maybe that makes them better on the interior (i disagree). The problem they have is no shot creator , lack of size on the interior. Resigning Horford doesnt make them fix those issues.

[PandaKidd]

Jeff Green is like a teams 4th option at best.

[Side beard]

Whats up with Jeff Teague? Did the Hawks blow their chance to trade him? While watching Hawks-Cavs series, it seemed that Dennis is getting way more minutes and is more visible than Jeff.

[PandaKidd]

Whats up with Jeff Teague? Did the Hawks blow their chance to trade him? While watching Hawks-Cavs series, it seemed that Dennis is getting way more minutes and is more visible than Jeff.

Bud always rode the hot hand , he did it throughout the year. but they gotta name a starter and stick with it. See what DS can do with starters minutes.

teague should be moved for something, because he walks in a year.