OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[BKlutch]

thats the truth. if the popular vote goes to trump then that is what america deserves. germany deserved hitler and sat on their hands while they smashed and grabbed the country and attacked the jews. if americans elect trump you can bet your bottom dollar the rednecks are going to climb into their pickup trumps and start bashing mexicans

dont think it will happen, but if it does then history is repeating itself and fuq us all for letting it happen

Absent some news event that is major, he has no chance.

I think you are 90% likely to be right but i am saying this so nobody sits on their hands in case that 10% outside change starts to become a possibility

common sense says trump is going to be destroyed in an election because he is a chump but this is what we are dealing with

1) attacks on hilary - if anything trumps attack squad launches on her sticks and she responds really badly then the impossible can happen

2) hilary cant find the perfect attack - the problem so far is trump is the ultimate case of can you top this? he says dummy crap left and right and somehow it doesnt sink him. what if he defies quantum physics and people realize he can say anything stupid and it doesnt sink him? it is crazy. yes it is insane. but look at what happened so far. he is going to be the nominee. yes cruz is a pos. rubio is a twat. cristi is a useless whore. so he had nobody to beat but he should be lying in a pool of vomit with the things he said and nothing happened

so it is best to guard against the worst case. the republic depends on it

I want to see the bolded part in a Super Pac attack ad. Just as you wrote it.

[CJackson]

Absent some news event that is major, he has no chance.

I think you are 90% likely to be right but i am saying this so nobody sits on their hands in case that 10% outside change starts to become a possibility

common sense says trump is going to be destroyed in an election because he is a chump but this is what we are dealing with

1) attacks on hilary - if anything trumps attack squad launches on her sticks and she responds really badly then the impossible can happen

2) hilary cant find the perfect attack - the problem so far is trump is the ultimate case of can you top this? he says dummy crap left and right and somehow it doesnt sink him. what if he defies quantum physics and people realize he can say anything stupid and it doesnt sink him? it is crazy. yes it is insane. but look at what happened so far. he is going to be the nominee. yes cruz is a pos. rubio is a twat. cristi is a useless whore. so he had nobody to beat but he should be lying in a pool of vomit with the things he said and nothing happened

so it is best to guard against the worst case. the republic depends on it

I want to see the bolded part in a Super Pac attack ad. Just as you wrote it.

yes. scary times

you can see it right here on this message board with so many clowns who treat it like a joke. whats so funny you ask them but they have nothing to contribute. with so many fools in america it is not so hard to see how it could all go off the rails here when in the past countries that had literate people had enuff bozos who fell for kunts like hitler and mussolini

the rise of trump is a product of multiple factors but the biggest factor is he is the outcome of a failed educational system. only seriously demented people would actually say because clinton is a hustler and has issues that alone justifies wanting trump in office. sometimes the vastly lesser of two evils is the answer and it takes adults to accept that. when faced with evil and competency is the alternative then thats what you roll with. but what i see is moronic kiddies or deranged adults joking about how trump is going to win the election. terrible and stupid.

there is a reason the best people dont go into politics. now that a major portion of the population has revealed itself to be gutless xenophobic racist trash it probably will encourage more david dukes to run for office

some of the morons think this is WWE as if the consequences for the planet wouldnt be catastrophic. you ignorant little chitz. shame on you

[aq_ua]

The other thing is as we get closer to actual presidential ballots, he's gonna have to speak more about policy and you'll hear more cluelessness all the way through. That won't hurt with the voters he's accrued so far, but I can't picture many people hearing his recent comments about bonds and then printing money to close the deficit (as if inflation doesn't exist) coming to the conclusion that this man is equipped to run a country.

This +1000. I hope the substantive battles are fought as hard, if not harder, than the ideological ones. He will get annihilated over the details.

It's the ultimate test.

Which demographic votes more in each state; mindless numb wits or literates.

I do fear the former.

[j4remi]

The other thing is as we get closer to actual presidential ballots, he's gonna have to speak more about policy and you'll hear more cluelessness all the way through. That won't hurt with the voters he's accrued so far, but I can't picture many people hearing his recent comments about bonds and then printing money to close the deficit (as if inflation doesn't exist) coming to the conclusion that this man is equipped to run a country.

This +1000. I hope the substantive battles are fought as hard, if not harder, than the ideological ones. He will get annihilated over the details.

It's the ultimate test.

Which demographic votes more in each state; mindless numb wits or literates.

I do fear the former.

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

[CJackson]

This +1000. I hope the substantive battles are fought as hard, if not harder, than the ideological ones. He will get annihilated over the details.

It's the ultimate test.

Which demographic votes more in each state; mindless numb wits or literates.

I do fear the former.

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

even if you are not behind all of sanders opinions his support can be the basis for some kind of independent run the next time around

the usa probably requires a strong independent president to build a third party so they can run a slate of state candidates during a strong presidential run

he was called a socialist but the reason sanders seemed so extreme is corporatism became the new normal and the country was far right of its old center. it is actually called democracy that he was mostly fighting over. hes not perfect and he got a little tired with some of his slogans but the essence of what he said rang true for enuff peeps

some of those peeps are those who once voted republican (especially "blue collars" who are not trump fodder who were left for dead by the republicans) and your basic liberals (domestic programs matter more than foreign policy usually) and libertarians who dont fit the NRA mold to find common ground and push candidates who serve them

that could be enuff of a block to do something if there is smart use of tech and social media for funding and organization. what that could do is splinter off enuff from the repubs so they will have less of a base and then they have to decide if they are going to be a bible thumper party or not and the dems who can lose a good part of their historical grip along labor and racial and sexual politic lines

a lot would be up for grabs so sanders was very important if what he did is built on. if not then it is not looking good

[aq_ua]

This +1000. I hope the substantive battles are fought as hard, if not harder, than the ideological ones. He will get annihilated over the details.

It's the ultimate test.

Which demographic votes more in each state; mindless numb wits or literates.

I do fear the former.

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

I interpret Hillary's previous positions as simply rational political behavior in response to popular sentiment at that time. She stood by what mainstream politics dictated, and that makes her predictable. The US still has numerous issues to deal with and a poor global economy as a backdrop - it really needs at least on element of stability and that's Hillary in his instance.

[aq_ua]

It's the ultimate test.

Which demographic votes more in each state; mindless numb wits or literates.

I do fear the former.

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

even if you are not behind all of sanders opinions his support can be the basis for some kind of independent run the next time around

the usa probably requires a strong independent president to build a third party so they can run a slate of state candidates during a strong presidential run

he was called a socialist but the reason sanders seemed so extreme is corporatism became the new normal and the country was far right of its old center. it is actually called democracy that he was mostly fighting over. hes not perfect and he got a little tired with some of his slogans but the essence of what he said rang true for enuff peeps

some of those peeps are those who once voted republican (especially "blue collars" who are not trump fodder who were left for dead by the republicans) and your basic liberals (domestic programs matter more than foreign policy usually) and libertarians who dont fit the NRA mold to find common ground and push candidates who serve them

that could be enuff of a block to do something if there is smart use of tech and social media for funding and organization. what that could do is splinter off enuff from the repubs so they will have less of a base and then they have to decide if they are going to be a bible thumper party or not and the dems who can lose a good part of their historical grip along labor and racial and sexual politic lines

a lot would be up for grabs so sanders was very important if what he did is built on. if not then it is not looking good

There probably is room for a true socialist - or dare I say - communist party in US politics. I doubt a third party can be a legitimate presidential candidate (the field of issues to differentiate would be too narrow) but as far as being influential in Congress, absolutely and probably only a matter of time before "coalition congress" becomes a concept.

[j4remi]

I interpret Hillary's previous positions as simply rational political behavior in response to popular sentiment at that time. She stood by what mainstream politics dictated, and that makes her predictable. The US still has numerous issues to deal with and a poor global economy as a backdrop - it really needs at least on element of stability and that's Hillary in his instance.

Well it's a lose-lose in my eyes. She either lacks foresight according to her stance switching or she would prefer political survival to doing what's best for her constituents (or both). If she's just following the political winds, she's no leader. If she's doing what she believes is right, then the numerous hawkish maneuvers she's supported (no fly zones, Iraq invasion, Libya) show a short sighted streak that could prove really damaging over the course of 4-8 years leading. Stability is cool if you think things are going alright; but I have issues with the infrastructure, environment, income inequality, justice system, campaign finance, and lack of economic regulations and sanctions just off the top of my head. Slow and steady won't stop the next bubble from blowing and pushing us into another bailout and recession situation. Following the political landscape could mean poor handling of Iran, the Israel/Palestine conflicts, Russia and naval problems with China...especially considering her buddies and confidants on that ish. She literally scares me, no figurative tense here. I think she could put us into more conflicts and ugliness.

[CJackson]

I interpret Hillary's previous positions as simply rational political behavior in response to popular sentiment at that time. She stood by what mainstream politics dictated, and that makes her predictable. The US still has numerous issues to deal with and a poor global economy as a backdrop - it really needs at least on element of stability and that's Hillary in his instance.

Well it's a lose-lose in my eyes. She either lacks foresight according to her stance switching or she would prefer political survival to doing what's best for her constituents (or both). If she's just following the political winds, she's no leader. If she's doing what she believes is right, then the numerous hawkish maneuvers she's supported (no fly zones, Iraq invasion, Libya) show a short sighted streak that could prove really damaging over the course of 4-8 years leading. Stability is cool if you think things are going alright; but I have issues with the infrastructure, environment, income inequality, justice system, campaign finance, and lack of economic regulations and sanctions just off the top of my head. Slow and steady won't stop the next bubble from blowing and pushing us into another bailout and recession situation. Following the political landscape could mean poor handling of Iran, the Israel/Palestine conflicts, Russia and naval problems with China...especially considering her buddies and confidants on that ish. She literally scares me, no figurative tense here. I think she could put us into more conflicts and ugliness.

i agree that she is on quicksand with her stances. look at how she sucked up to obama. she fuqqing hates the obamas. she will do anything to win

only in this election cycle does she stand out because the alternative is a psychotic like trump. she is a power hungry with sociopath traits maybe but at least she doesnt need civics lessons on how to run the damn machine for another 4 years

but we cant have a guy coming in who wants to deport 10 million people and build our own berlin wall. trump is batchit crazy

i want her to win and hope for a replacement by somebody of better values who wants to actually take care of the citizens 4 years later

[CJackson]

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

even if you are not behind all of sanders opinions his support can be the basis for some kind of independent run the next time around

the usa probably requires a strong independent president to build a third party so they can run a slate of state candidates during a strong presidential run

he was called a socialist but the reason sanders seemed so extreme is corporatism became the new normal and the country was far right of its old center. it is actually called democracy that he was mostly fighting over. hes not perfect and he got a little tired with some of his slogans but the essence of what he said rang true for enuff peeps

some of those peeps are those who once voted republican (especially "blue collars" who are not trump fodder who were left for dead by the republicans) and your basic liberals (domestic programs matter more than foreign policy usually) and libertarians who dont fit the NRA mold to find common ground and push candidates who serve them

that could be enuff of a block to do something if there is smart use of tech and social media for funding and organization. what that could do is splinter off enuff from the repubs so they will have less of a base and then they have to decide if they are going to be a bible thumper party or not and the dems who can lose a good part of their historical grip along labor and racial and sexual politic lines

a lot would be up for grabs so sanders was very important if what he did is built on. if not then it is not looking good

There probably is room for a true socialist - or dare I say - communist party in US politics. I doubt a third party can be a legitimate presidential candidate (the field of issues to differentiate would be too narrow) but as far as being influential in Congress, absolutely and probably only a matter of time before "coalition congress" becomes a concept.

it all depends on how low grade populist politics become. if it degenerates more then you could have all kinds of one issue congressmen who cant agree on any coalitions

but it is possible. when things get bad enuff is when you see one of two responses overall. people start to work together or they start to kill each other

[Capn'O]

This +1000. I hope the substantive battles are fought as hard, if not harder, than the ideological ones. He will get annihilated over the details.

It's the ultimate test.

Which demographic votes more in each state; mindless numb wits or literates.

I do fear the former.

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

I'll be checking the polling sites very carefully before casting my vote.

[CJackson]

It's the ultimate test.

Which demographic votes more in each state; mindless numb wits or literates.

I do fear the former.

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

I'll be checking the polling sites very carefully before casting my vote.

what do you mean?

[Capn'O]

There probably is room for a true socialist - or dare I say - communist party in US politics. I doubt a third party can be a legitimate presidential candidate (the field of issues to differentiate would be too narrow) but as far as being influential in Congress, absolutely and probably only a matter of time before "coalition congress" becomes a concept.

Labor Party. That's the biggest gap, imo.

[Capn'O]

To be fair, I don't want to vote for Hillary for the same reason I don't want to vote Trump; because I've researched her history and policies and I don't really trust her at the helm of this country. Trump is obviously worse but Hillary's work as Secretary of State; handling of Libya (and pride about it in her biography) and her heavy support for Fracking are disconcerting for me. I'd really like to be able to vote Stein or Johnson in this one, but if it's looking like a close race I'm stuck voting for a war hawk even though foreign policy is my biggest issue. I wish literates could break from the two party must system and try to expand our options.

I'll be checking the polling sites very carefully before casting my vote.

what do you mean?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/ calls the general elections very closely. Polls are much easier to make models on for the general election because the electorate is "everyone" instead of these weird state by state piecemeals we have for the primaries.

If my state is a landslide (80%+ likely outcome in favor of Hillary) - I easily vote third party.

[CJackson]

I'll be checking the polling sites very carefully before casting my vote.

what do you mean?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/ calls the general elections very closely. Polls are much easier to make models on for the general election because the electorate is "everyone" instead of these weird state by state piecemeals we have for the primaries.

If my state is a landslide (80%+ likely outcome in favor of Hillary) - I easily vote third party.

ok got it. didnt understand what you meant

kind of like voting for nader in nyc didnt matter but in florida it certainly did

[Capn'O]

what do you mean?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/ calls the general elections very closely. Polls are much easier to make models on for the general election because the electorate is "everyone" instead of these weird state by state piecemeals we have for the primaries.

If my state is a landslide (80%+ likely outcome in favor of Hillary) - I easily vote third party.

ok got it. didnt understand what you meant

kind of like voting for nader in nyc didnt matter but in florida it certainly did

Exactly like that. Which is what I did at that time.

[j4remi]

i agree that she is on quicksand with her stances. look at how she sucked up to obama. she fuqqing hates the obamas. she will do anything to win

only in this election cycle does she stand out because the alternative is a psychotic like trump. she is a power hungry with sociopath traits maybe but at least she doesnt need civics lessons on how to run the damn machine for another 4 years

but we cant have a guy coming in who wants to deport 10 million people and build our own berlin wall. trump is batchit crazy

i want her to win and hope for a replacement by somebody of better values who wants to actually take care of the citizens 4 years later

My assumption is that Elizabeth Warren will be on a ticket sooner than later. I'm hoping that she becomes the torch bearer for the Bernie supporters who don't want status quo and are looking for alternatives. Four years can change a lot though and it'd be great to see the movement Bernie has built generate new exciting options.

[CJackson]

i agree that she is on quicksand with her stances. look at how she sucked up to obama. she fuqqing hates the obamas. she will do anything to win

only in this election cycle does she stand out because the alternative is a psychotic like trump. she is a power hungry with sociopath traits maybe but at least she doesnt need civics lessons on how to run the damn machine for another 4 years

but we cant have a guy coming in who wants to deport 10 million people and build our own berlin wall. trump is batchit crazy

i want her to win and hope for a replacement by somebody of better values who wants to actually take care of the citizens 4 years later

My assumption is that Elizabeth Warren will be on a ticket sooner than later. I'm hoping that she becomes the torch bearer for the Bernie supporters who don't want status quo and are looking for alternatives. Four years can change a lot though and it'd be great to see the movement Bernie has built generate new exciting options.

shes got the stones so i would hope so. you need your social progressives to be tough and able to cut thru the bs to get top billing. she looks the part and has substance

[Capn'O]

If you're interested in the ladies - Kate Brown, Governor of Oregon, is putting together quite the progressive resume. Ithaca Mayor Svante Myrick <--not a lady--- could be a rising star, as well.

[Moose]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/10/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll-ohio-florida-pennsylvania/index.html