2016-17 CFB SEASON / '17 NFL DRAFT

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #21 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon May 9, 2016 11:36 pm

Myles Garrett - DL - Aggies

Rivals' Mike Farrell wrote that Texas A&M junior DE Myles Garrett is "talented enough to push a quarterback out of the No. 1 spot if he continues to develop."

Out of high school, Garrett ranked as Rivals' No. 2 overall prospect for the 2014 cycle, with eventual Alabama DE Da'Shawn Hand ranking as their No. 1. Farrell would flip those two in hindsight. "Hand won out, but just barely. Obviously it looks like Garrett should have been the guy," the analyst wrote. Last season, the 6-foot-5, 247-pound Aggie recorded 11.5 sacks with 19.5 tackles for loss. Earlier this offseason, he told Sports Illustrated that he wants to "break all the records [he] can possible for a defensive end."
Source: Rivals

May 9 - 2:27 PM

I_am_1z · Post #22 » by **I_am_1z** » Mon May 9, 2016 11:59 pm

Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:Saquon Barkley - RB - Nittany Lions

Penn State OC Joe Moorhead said that sophomore RB Saquon Barkley "does some things that are freakishly athletic that the great ones do."

Moorhead is new to the Nittany Lions and in order to get a better feel for the offensive talent he has on hand, he went back and watched tape of every 2015 contest. Not too surprisingly, Barkley immediately jumped out on film. "The last thing you anticipate is a guy leaping over a defender like a tall building in a single bound, and that's what occurred," Moorhead said. "The first time I saw it on tape it caught me by surprise." HC James Franklin is of a like opinion, saying, "I've been doing this for 22 years. I don't know if I've seen someone like Saquon -- and not just physically. He has handled all of this attention really well, better than I would have imagined." Last season, the 5-foot-11, 222-pounder rushed for 1,076 yards (5.9 YPC) and seven touchdowns. He also caught 20 passes for 161 yards and a score. That he did all of this playing in a disjointed (to put it kindly) offense makes those statistical feats all the more impressive. At the end of th
Source: CBS Sports

May 9 - 4:35 PM

Yeah, runs a 4.38 40, max squat is 600 lbs, max clean is 390 lbs, easily the best back in the nation since he can do it all on the field too.

clyde21 · Post #23 » by **clyde21** » Tue May 10, 2016 2:00 am

I_am_1z wrote:
Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:I like him as a college player but I don't think he's anywhere closed to being a legitimate starting QB in the league. I would be heated if we were to draft him in that scenario instead of Myles:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/02/nfl-mock-draft-2017-top-prospects

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6ZscXYfpI[/youtube]

Clearly was the BEST QB last year until his thumb injury. Considered Cook a top 10 prospect, consider Rogers all by himself, alone at ONE.

One of the few prospects we can agree on (though not even close to being as high on him as you). He was extremely intriguing last year when I watched him, hopefully he continues to build on that this year.

As of right now though, Luke Falk is the alone at the top for me (and he's not even a first rounder yet). Not buying the Deshawn Watson hype at all, and even though I like what's on the surface w/ Brad Kaaya and DeShon Kizer, they both still need a LOT of work.

Mem49er · Post #24 » by **Mem49er** » Tue May 10, 2016 4:07 am

NinerSickness wrote:
Mem49er wrote:No love for Derek Barnett? He gets tackled on half the passing snaps.

I'm fully aware of the Derek Barnett hype, but I just haven't watched him play enough to determine whether I buy it or not. From what people say, he's a great player. I'll watch some more Vol' games & see what I think...

Do that then get back to me. Figured since you knew JRM, you'd have seen enough of Barnett.

NinerSickness · Post #25 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue May 10, 2016 5:01 am

Mem49er wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
Mem49er wrote:No love for Derek Barnett? He gets tackled on half the passing snaps.

I'm fully aware of the Derek Barnett hype, but I just haven't watched him play enough to determine whether I buy it or not. From what people say, he's a great player. I'll watch some more Vol' games & see what I think...

Do that then get back to me. Figured since you knew JRM, you'd have seen enough of Barnett.

Here's one play that stuck out to me for a few reasons.

Kelvin Taylor (49er) comes in behind the full back, who blocks Barnett, but I actually think Barnett got the better of him on this play. The MLB, on the other hand, kind of pussy-foots up to left tackle David Sharpe (who's a monster) and doesn't get low enough to take on the block. I thought it was JRM at first, but JRM was actually playing LOLB on that play.

The fact that Barnett has 19 sacks in his freshman & sophomore seasons combined is extremely rare. However, Barnett doesn't look quite as quick as Garrett, Harris & Lawson. Not quite the athlete those guys are IMO. I also question his flexibility and hand usage compared to the other guys.

Here's another play in that same Florida game where JRM wasn't fooled by the WR pass, and he turned his hips & ran with Kelvin Taylor preventing the completion. Nice instincts again by JRM.

I wonder how Barnett's arms are going to look at the combine. Might be a little short. Got close a few times when I watched, but the QB got away. And the RT got the better of him when he moved over to the other side. He's clearly a good pass rusher, but I don't know if I'd put him up there with the top 2.

NinerSickness · Post #26 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue May 10, 2016 5:08 am

More on JRM: here's a play where Florida's TE (I think it was a backup TE) just Carl-Malones his way into position and catches a 1st down on 4th & 7 against JRM. It was like there was nothing he could do about it. It was a perfect pass, and JRM was right there to make the tackle, but that's a play I'd want a 49er ILB to be able to make in coverage.

NinerSickness · Post #27 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue May 10, 2016 5:24 am

I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

Mem49er · Post #28 » by **Mem49er** » Tue May 10, 2016 11:15 am

NinerSickness wrote:I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

I'll check those clips when I get time but don't get me wrong, I like JRM as a mid to late rounder.

Barnett hasn't "looked" the part physically when you talk about measurables but he is a little nasty. Check out the bowl game against Iowa and watch how may times Scherff tackles him. He has many games like that but that one stands out.

Mem49er · Post #29 » by **Mem49er** » Tue May 10, 2016 11:17 am

NinerSickness wrote:I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

Foreman has improved a lot but there's more talent in that secondary.

If you watch this year, also keep an eye on MLB Kirkland. Just a true Soph but is gonna be an absolute STUD.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #30 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Tue May 10, 2016 3:35 pm

Mem49er wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

Foreman has improved a lot but there's more talent in that secondary.

If you watch this year, also keep an eye on MLB Kirkland. Just a true Soph but is gonna be an absolute STUD.

Any relations to Levon Kirkland?

NinerSickness · Post #31 » by **NinerSickness** » Tue May 10, 2016 8:12 pm

Mem49er wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

Foreman has improved a lot but there's more talent in that secondary.

If you watch this year, also keep an eye on MLB Kirkland. Just a true Soph but is gonna be an absolute STUD.

Tennessee hasn't been the consistent spring of draft prospects it's been in the past lately. Only 9 players drafted in the last 5 combined drafts, and zero Vols drafted last year. That was surprising to find out.

clyde21 · Post #32 » by **clyde21** » Wed May 11, 2016 1:15 am

I currently have 4 or 5 pass-rushers rated ahead of Barnett, though that's more of a testament to how good the pass-rushing class is rather than Barnett's ability. I have him as a late first/early second right now, but junior season is make or break for a lot of these guys.

clyde21 · Post #33 » by **clyde21** » Wed May 11, 2016 1:17 am

NinerSickness wrote:
Mem49er wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

Foreman has improved a lot but there's more talent in that secondary.

If you watch this year, also keep an eye on MLB Kirkland. Just a true Soph but is gonna be an absolute STUD.

Tennessee hasn't been the consistent spring of draft prospects it's been in the past lately. Only 9 players drafted in the last 5 combined drafts, and zero Vols drafted last year. That was surprising to find out.

Cameron Sutton would've been drafted in the first two rounds had he declared.

Mem49er · Post #34 » by **Mem49er** » Wed May 11, 2016 3:27 am

Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:
Mem49er wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

Foreman has improved a lot but there's more talent in that secondary.

If you watch this year, also keep an eye on MLB Kirkland. Just a true Soph but is gonna be an absolute STUD.

Any relations to Levon Kirkland?

I don't think so, actually.

Mem49er · Post #35 » by **Mem49er** » Wed May 11, 2016 3:30 am

NinerSickness wrote:
Mem49er wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:I have to say, CB Malik Foreman is standing out a lot when I've been watching other Vol defenders.

Foreman has improved a lot but there's more talent in that secondary.

If you watch this year, also keep an eye on MLB Kirkland. Just a true Soph but is gonna be an absolute STUD.

Tennessee hasn't been the consistent spring of draft prospects it's been in the past lately. Only 9 players drafted in the last 5 combined drafts, and zero Vols drafted last year. That was surprising to find out.

Folks have a tough time realizing how much Dooley and Kiffen really tanked the program. There were a ton of kids that weren't P5 material on the roster. But Butch has really turned things around. Talent is back all over. The D will be nasty this year.

Mem49er · Post #36 » by **Mem49er** » Wed May 11, 2016 3:43 am

clyde21 wrote:I currently have 4 or 5 pass-rushers rated ahead of Barnett, though that's more of a testament to how good the pass-rushing class is rather than Barnett's ability. I have him as a late first/early second right now, but junior season is make or break for a lot of these guys.

Barnett is a complete player though. He plays the run and pass well. Not sure about scheme in the NFL but If guess 4-3 end.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #37 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed May 11, 2016 3:57 pm

Jabrill Peppers - DB - Wolverines

ESPN's Dan Murphy named Michigan redshirt sophomore CB Jabrill Peppers the team's most versatile player.

ESPN published a rundown of the most versatile players on each top-25 outfit heading into 2016. Peppers was probably the easiest one on the list. The 6-foot-1, 202-pounder began his Wolverine career as a corner, moved to safety and has been moved (again) this spring to outside linebacker. He also lined up at WR, RB and QB in 2015. Plus, he handled punt return duties. Even Swiss Army Knives are jealous.
Source: ESPN.com

May 10 - 11:06 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #38 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed May 11, 2016 4:02 pm

Derwin James - DB - Seminoles

ESPN's Andrea Adelson tagged FSU sophomore S Derwin James as the Seminoles' most versatile player.

"Arguably the best player on the Seminoles defense, James could start at either safety spot," Adelson wrote. Speaking to that versatility, the 6-foot-1, 199-pound sophomore even played defensive end on some pass-rush sets last season. In 2015, he recorded 91 tackles (9.5 for loss), 4.5 sacks and a pair of fumble recoveries. Pro Football Focus was certainly impressed, with analyst Jeff Dooley writing that James was "perhaps the most well-rounded defensive back in the entire country last season." That he did all of this as a freshman should be considered downright terrifying for the rest of the ACC.
Source: ESPN.com

May 10 - 9:43 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #39 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Wed May 11, 2016 5:51 pm

Jonathan Allen - DL - Crimson Tide

Rotoworld's Josh Norris deemed the impact that Alabama senior DL Jonathan Allen (40% of snaps) and senior edge rusher Tim Williams (20%) had in limited playing time last season "incredible."

Yes, the Crimson Tide are so wildly loaded that they didn't require the services of Allen, projected to go No. 5 overall in Norris' first 2017 mock draft, on even half the team's defensive snaps, or Williams, projected No. 6 in the same mock, on even a quarter. Folks make comparisons between Allen and former teammates A'Shawn Robinson and Jarran Reed, but Norris says Allen is "clearly the superior player in terms of playing the backfield." You've been warned, SEC.
Source: Josh Norris on Twitter

May 11 - 12:54 PM

I_am_1z · Post #40 » by **I_am_1z** » Wed May 11, 2016 8:40 pm

clyde21 wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:
Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:I like him as a college player but I don't think he's anywhere closed to being a legitimate starting QB in the league. I would be heated if we were to draft him in that scenario instead of Myles:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/02/nfl-mock-draft-2017-top-prospects

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6ZscXYfpI[/youtube]

Clearly was the BEST QB last year until his thumb injury. Considered Cook a top 10 prospect, consider Rogers all by himself, alone at ONE.

One of the few prospects we can agree on (though not even close to being as high on him as you). He was extremely intriguing last year when I watched him, hopefully he continues to build on that this year.

As of right now though, Luke Falk is the alone at the top for me (and he's not even a first rounder yet). Not buying the Deshawn Watson hype at all, and even though I like what's on the surface w/ Brad Kaaya and DeShon Kizer, they both still need a LOT of work.

Finally we align on a prospect. My view point of WSU QBs has gotten a whole lot stricter since Jeff Tuel. The WSU system's reads are so crisp and fluent with the game but he definitely never learned to handle duress or make reads.