Which fighters you favor over Bones right now?

[Gregoire]

In LHW or HW category if there are fighters with better than 0.5 chances (more than 5 fights from 10) of winning in the fight with Bones? Who they are and why?

Some possible names:

- Werdum
- Rothwell
- Overeem
- Cain
- Stipe
- DC
- Rumble
- Gus
- Weidman
- Rockhold

[NO-KG-AI]

Wouldn't favor any. Would give Werdum the best shot. Size and stylistic matchup is the most interesting. I think Werdum would be too willing to get on the bottom though, and it would be a terrible idea.


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[NZB2323]

I think if Bones moved up to HW and his first fight was against the Champion, Werdum, I'd have to favor Werdum.

Other than that, that list is ridiculous. Bones is crazy big for a LHW and someone would favor a MW over him?

I might favor Cain over him in a 5 round fight. Cain has crazy cardio and cocaine users don't have the best cardio. Then again, if Cain comes out aggressive and pushes Jones against the wall, Jones gets to unleash hellbows and knees against Cain. Cain has great dirty boxing, but would it be enough? If Cain isn't aggressive Jones can kick Cain's knees and poke him in the eye all day. I also don't know who wins the wrestling battle. I know Jones out-wrestled Cormier, but I'd have to imagine that a HW Cain is a better wrestler than a LHW Cormier.

We also don't know how well Jones would do at HW. The talent there isn't great, but neither is LHW. Jones would still have a reach advantage, but with his body frame how much more muscle could he add? Would he be stronger than Werdum and Cain? Would he lose cardio trying to put on muscle? Would he take more cocaine? Would he injury himself in a drunk driving accident? I don't know.

[CPT]

I appreciate any chance I can get to **** on the HW division.

When looking at that list, one of my first thoughts was LOL Rothwell.

My second thought was Rothwell might actually have the best chance due to big stupid oafiness and power.

HW MMA is trash. I kinda think Jones would make all of them look silly, but pretty much every HW fight is in the 60/40 range.

Fights with Werdum and Cain would be worth watching just because of the matchups they present.

[Gregoire]

Wouldn't favor any. Would give Werdum the best shot. Size and stylistic matchup is the most interesting. I think Werdum would be too willing to get on the bottom though, and it would be a terrible idea.


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And what about current Overeem? I think he has better cances of the pack. Maybe 50/50. Werdum and Cain (sea-level one) 40/60 chances IMO.

[Bernman]

The telephone poll by ko in the 2nd rd after all the coke and booze kicks in.

Ah, who are we kidding, he'll destroy the telephone poll and eventually kill someone else. The only thing that can kill Barnes is Barnes.

[Jasen777]

I don't think we'll even see a peak Cain again, don't think current Cain would have much of a chance against Jones. I do think I'd favor Werdum if they fought soon, but that's it. Guys like Hunt would be interesting, because of the one punch KO factor.

[NO-KG-AI]

Wouldn't favor any. Would give Werdum the best shot. Size and stylistic matchup is the most interesting. I think Werdum would be too willing to get on the bottom though, and it would be a terrible idea.


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And what about current Overeem? I think he has better cances of the pack. Maybe 50/50. Werdum and Cain (sea-level one) 40/60 chances IMO.

Jones has an iron chin, and more importantly, he doesn't really let guys tee off for multiple big shots to it.

He has insane cardio and is smart as hell. I just trust him to land a lot more often than Overeem, and despite not being a power puncher, his kicks, knees, and elbows can end anyone.

Overeem has a nice clinch, and anti wrestling, but really, we going to trust his chib holding up over Jones? Or his cardio?

Not likely to me. I think Jones hits an elbow, a knee, some spinning ****... i dunno, something that rocks Overeem.

I think Cain is a lesser version of Cormier if we're being honest.



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[Gregoire]

I appreciate any chance I can get to **** on the HW division.

When looking at that list, one of my first thoughts was LOL Rothwell.

My second thought was Rothwell might actually have the best chance due to big stupid oafiness and power.

HW MMA is trash. I kinda think Jones would make all of them look silly, but pretty much every HW fight is in the 60/40 range.

Fights with Werdum and Cain would be worth watching just because of the matchups they present.

Argee about Rothwell,but if you assume "werdum version" of Cain or older?

[Gregoire]

Wouldn't favor any. Would give Werdum the best shot. Size and stylistic matchup is the most interesting. I think Werdum would be too willing to get on the bottom though, and it would be a terrible idea.


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And what about current Overeem? I think he has better cances of the pack. Maybe 50/50. Werdum and Cain (sea-level one) 40/60 chances IMO.

Jones has an iron chin, and more importantly, he doesn't really let guys tee off for multiple big shots to it.

He has insane cardio and is smart as hell. I just trust him to land a lot more often than Overeem, and despite not being a power puncher, his kicks, knees, and elbows can end anyone.

Overeem has a nice clinch, and anti wrestling, but really, we going to trust his chib holding up over Jones? Or his cardio?

Not likely to me. I think Jones hits an elbow, a knee, some spinning ****... i dunno, something that rocks Overeem.

I think Cain is a lesser version of Cormier if we're being honest.



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I think Overeem (along with Werdum) is the only fighter, who will not lose clinch battle to Bones. And his KO power... Werdum IMO has lesser chance - Bones wouldnt so stupid to go down with him.

[REDDzone]

Jones has an iron chin, and more importantly, he doesn't really let guys tee off for multiple big shots to it.

He has insane cardio and is smart as hell. I just trust him to land a lot more often than Overeem, and despite not being a power puncher, his kicks, knees, and elbows can end anyone.

Overeem has a nice clinch, and anti wrestling, but really, we going to trust his chib holding up over Jones? Or his cardio?

Not likely to me. I think Jones hits an elbow, a knee, some spinning ****... i dunno, something that rocks Overeem.

I think Cain is a lesser version of Cormier if we're being honest.

You overstate Jones' finishing ability imo. Besides a few MWs, I can't even recall the last person he finished with power. Vladimir Matyushenko half a decade ago? lol.

edit: NVM I'm dumb he finished Shogun. Also Chael but that was such a farce that I rightfully repressed it.

[REDDzone]

As for the OP I can't say I'd favor anyone ever over Jones.

[Shaazzam]

The telephone poll by ko in the 2nd rd after all the coke and booze kicks in.

Ah, who are we kidding, he'll destroy the telephone poll and eventually kill someone else. The only thing that can kill Barnes is Barnes.

Awesome reference.

[NO-KG-AI]

Jones has an iron chin, and more importantly, he doesn't really let guys tee off for multiple big shots to it.

He has insane cardio and is smart as hell. I just trust him to land a lot more often than Overeem, and despite not being a power puncher, his kicks, knees, and elbows can end anyone.

Overeem has a nice clinch, and anti wrestling, but really, we going to trust his chib holding up over Jones? Or his cardio?

Not likely to me. I think Jones hits an elbow, a knee, some spinning ****... i dunno, something that rocks Overeem.

I think Cain is a lesser version of Cormier if we're being honest.

You overstate Jones' finishing ability imo. Besides a few MWs, I can't even recall the last person he finished with power. Vladimir Matyushenko half a decade ago? lol.

edit: NVM I'm dumb he finished Shogun. Also Chael but that was such a farce that I rightfully repressed it.

yea but.. Overeem pretty much goes limp from anything that lands on his chin. Most of the stuff he was hitting Gustaffson with would drop Alistair IMO.

[REDDzone]

yea but.. Overeem pretty much goes limp from anything that lands on his chin. Most of the stuff he was hitting Gustaffson with would drop Alistair IMO.

I just don't agree. What shot has KOed Overeem that wouldn't have KOed pretty much anyone? That barrage from Bigfoot? The front kick from Browne? The Rothwell overhand? The flurry from Kharitonov? I think that's all the KOs from the last decade, unless he got KOed in K-1 or something.

Anyone would have been KOed by those shots, and Bones doesn't have the power of those guys anyway.

[lilfishi22]

yea but.. Overeem pretty much goes limp from anything that lands on his chin. Most of the stuff he was hitting Gustaffson with would drop Alistair IMO.

I just don't agree. What shot has KOed Overeem that wouldn't have KOed pretty much anyone? That barrage from Bigfoot? The front kick from Browne? The Rothwell overhand? The flurry from Kharitonov? I think that's all the KOs from the last decade, unless he got KOed in K-1 or something.

Anyone would have been KOed by those shots, and Bones doesn't have the power of those guys anyway.

I'm with you here. Jones doesn't really have KO power. His elbows are devastating but for those to land, he has to win the clinch and be able to get off a few elbows. Someone like Werdum and Overeem routinely win clinch exchanges so they should be able to handle Jones in the clinch.

I don't know if I'd favor Overeem or Werdum over a bigger and stronger HW Jones but I think they'd have the best chance at winning.

[High 5]

I couldn't reasonably favor anyone over Jones. It's too easy for him to just whittle guys down with those kicks and start scoring takedowns. And if anyone gets through the kicks, it's not like clinching with Jones is a picnic.

[Gregoire]

yea but.. Overeem pretty much goes limp from anything that lands on his chin. Most of the stuff he was hitting Gustaffson with would drop Alistair IMO.

I just don't agree. What shot has KOed Overeem that wouldn't have KOed pretty much anyone? That barrage from Bigfoot? The front kick from Browne? The Rothwell overhand? The flurry from Kharitonov? I think that's all the KOs from the last decade, unless he got KOed in K-1 or something.

Anyone would have been KOed by those shots, and Bones doesn't have the power of those guys anyway.

I'm with you here. Jones doesn't really have KO power. His elbows are devastating but for those to land, he has to win the clinch and be able to get off a few elbows. Someone like Werdum and Overeem routinely win clinch exchanges so they should be able to handle Jones in the clinch.

I don't know if I'd favor Overeem or Werdum over a bigger and stronger HW Jones but I think they'd have the best chance at winning.

Do you really think that Werdumc ould hold his own in the clinch against Jones? I dont think so. Jones shouldnt have necessary KO power, he could TKO from cummulative effect after elbow or knee.

[lilfishi22]

I just don't agree. What shot has KOed Overeem that wouldn't have KOed pretty much anyone? That barrage from Bigfoot? The front kick from Browne? The Rothwell overhand? The flurry from Kharitonov? I think that's all the KOs from the last decade, unless he got KOed in K-1 or something.

Anyone would have been KOed by those shots, and Bones doesn't have the power of those guys anyway.

I'm with you here. Jones doesn't really have KO power. His elbows are devastating but for those to land, he has to win the clinch and be able to get off a few elbows. Someone like Werdum and Overeem routinely win clinch exchanges so they should be able to handle Jones in the clinch.

I don't know if I'd favor Overeem or Werdum over a bigger and stronger HW Jones but I think they'd have the best chance at winning.

Do you really think that Werdumc ould hold his own in the clinch against Jones? I dont think so. Jones shouldnt have necessary KO power, he could TKO from cummulative effect after elbow or knee.

Werdum is super tough in the clinch and bloody tough in general. He took some massive uppercuts and knees in the clinch against Browne and still weathered the storm. Werdum's muay thai has improved each time he's stepped in the cage, to the point where his clinch is one of his best weapons because of the control he has in that position, the knees and shots he can deliver and the option to pull guard or drag the fight to the ground. I think he'll hold his own

[NO-KG-AI]

He might not dominate the clinch, but I don't think either Overeem or Werdum win that exchange. Neither guy is going to land more efficiently or more volume than Jones will at range either. I think people are underestimating how athletic he is compared to the heavyweights because we always seem to see him fight guys smaller than him it seems.

One of his better attributes is that he doesn't let many big shots land flush, and even when he does, he gets out of harms way quick and doesn't allow combinations or multiple big shots to land in succession that can end fights or change the complexion of a fight.

The thing I'd worry about if I were betting on Werdum, I think he'd be too happy to end up with Jon on top of him, and he might catch him in something, but he'd eat a bunch of elbows in the process, and it might be too late before he realizes that he's be better served getting back up. Either a TKO or eating a lot of damage that sways the fight, or leaves him cut up and battered.

Overeem would have to win by KO. Don't think he can grind Bones to a 5 round decision. Don't think he is close to Jones gas tank, and he's usually the guy with the reach and athleticism advantage when striking, and he's giving up 4-5 inches of reach, maybe even more in terms of kicks, not sure, and I don't think 35 year old Alistair is close to being quick and fleet of foot enough to get in range to land clean and often enough to put Jones away. Like I said, Jones chin and mental toughness hasn't been shown to be anything but amazing at this point. I think Hunt has a better shot than Overeem because of his style and chin, honestly.

It's interesting as hell. I'd love to see him fight Overeem, Werdum, Hunt, Rothwell, Jds, even Cain maybe. Most of these guys present a new set of problems and challenges that Jones hasn't faced, and watching him basically since he's been on the radar, I like how he's always met that challenge, and I love seeing him face adversity to see what he does.

I had questions about his power and wrestling early on, and then watching him ragdoll and toss around guys like Rampage, that are stupidly strong, and completely impose his will on seasoned monsters and former/current champions.

The only worry after to me is how he'd react when things aren't going right for him. Is he Mike Tyson? Is he going to break mentally and gas out when things aren't going his way? When Vitor slapped that arm bar on, I thought his run was done. Mentally and physically that's a ton to overcome, and he broke out of it, and beat the piss out of a roided up monster that was seemingly peaking all over again. This sold me. He's the most physically gifted guy in MMA, and now we know he's got that champion grit and will.

After that, Gustaffson did an amazing job both eating hard shots from everywhere, and he negated Jones' comfort zone of being able to wrestle whenever he pleased, and forced him to fight his fight for 5 brutal rounds, and Jones prevailed.

When he finally fought DC, to me, it was the fight I needed to see. DC was clearly the most dominant and powerful wrestler at heavyweight, and I wanted to see how Jones could react to that type of explosive wrestling, takedowns, and throws that DC was known for. Great fight, but it was another one where Jones was clearly not worried about DC's grappling, and the further the fight went, the more lopsided it got.

Maybe I'm biased because I thought and still think DC is the best heavyweight if he chooses to be, and you guys are more familiar with what guys like Overeem and Werdum have done in other organizations, so I respect the insight and opinions and love to hear more, and I know that anyone can get beat in the fight game, even when you least expect it, but I think he's a favorite over all the heavyweights, and a very comfortable favorite over most.



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