2016 draft thread: Part 2

[NikolaPekovic]

If i wrote down a bunch of traits I would want for our future PF, I would basically be describing Bender's game. I hope to god we move into top 3.

[minimus]

It's about getting an advantage on your opponent. Bender's advantage is to pull the slower-footed bigs out to the perimeter, where he can shoot or drive. He doesn't have an advantage in the paint on these guys.

Disagree strongly. He has a huge length advantage against these European low to the ground big men. And that comes with fouls to his advantage as well.

Yes he has an advantage in the perimeter which is why I already said he should take perimeter shots. Let's stick to the real argument of whether he should be getting more touches in the paint because he's a 7 footer.

I already know if he just keeps pulling perimeter shots in the nba, you guys will be saying how he needs to get closer to the basket as a 7 footer.

Porzingis has strength to fight against NBA bigmen, which was surprising fact for me. It translates into rebounding numbers and no injuries. Bender is not Porzingis type of player. He is more Kukoc to me, mobile, versatile PF with great vision and soft touch from outside. I would not expect him to be a physical, post player or great rebounder.

[ESPNSAMI]

Still rather have Murray. Not sold on Mr Bender

[rugbyrugger23]

Still rather have Murray. Not sold on Mr Bender

I second that.

[vagelis]

It's about getting an advantage on your opponent. Bender's advantage is to pull the slower-footed bigs out to the perimeter, where he can shoot or drive. He doesn't have an advantage in the paint on these guys.

Disagree strongly. He has a huge length advantage against these European low to the ground big men. And that comes with fouls to his advantage as well.

Yes he has an advantage in the perimeter which is why I already said he should take perimeter shots. Let's stick to the real argument of whether he should be getting more touches in the paint because he's a 7 footer.

I already know if he just keeps pulling perimeter shots in the nba, you guys will be saying how he needs to get closer to the basket as a 7 footer.

Porzingis has strength to fight against NBA bigmen, which was surprising fact for me. It translates into rebounding numbers and no injuries. Bender is not Porzingis type of player. He is more Kukoc to me, mobile, versatile PF with great vision and soft touch from outside. I would not expect him to be a physical, post player or great rebounder.

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Kukoc at the age of 19 was already a superstar in european basketball.
I don't know if Bender can reach his level.

[Avihs7]

I'm not sold either. I hope T wolves pass on him

[gopher wolf]

If i wrote down a bunch of traits I would want for our future PF, I would basically be describing Bender's game. I hope to god we move into top 3.

This. And if we aren't top 3, I really hope that Phoenix isn't ahead of us in the 3-4 range or that the Sixers take up the 3 and 4 spots.

[gopher wolf]

It's about getting an advantage on your opponent. Bender's advantage is to pull the slower-footed bigs out to the perimeter, where he can shoot or drive. He doesn't have an advantage in the paint on these guys.

Disagree strongly. He has a huge length advantage against these European low to the ground big men. And that comes with fouls to his advantage as well.

Yes he has an advantage in the perimeter which is why I already said he should take perimeter shots. Let's stick to the real argument of whether he should be getting more touches in the paint because he's a 7 footer.

I already know if he just keeps pulling perimeter shots in the nba, you guys will be saying how he needs to get closer to the basket as a 7 footer.

Porzingis has strength to fight against NBA bigmen, which was surprising fact for me. It translates into rebounding numbers and no injuries. Bender is not Porzingis type of player. He is more Kukoc to me, mobile, versatile PF with great vision and soft touch from outside. I would not expect him to be a physical, post player or great rebounder.

Porzingis got pushed around just as much as Bender did in his last season in Sevilla and was considered a poor rebounder for his size going into the draft. At this time last year Porzingis was 220 and Bender is listed at 225 despite being a year younger than what Porzingis was. KP is now listed at 240 so hopefully Bender can get to that 235-240 mark by the time the season starts. KP did however grow two inches in that time though and has a longer wingspan and is a better leaper.

[LofJ]

I think it's time that people start talking about Ellenson as a top 3 pick along with Bender. You guys couldn't have asked for two better prospects to be available in your range this year.

Ellenson is incredibly skilled and is a beast on the boards. Oh and he measured in with a '7.25" foot wingspan. He also has the confidence and IQ you need to succeed at this level. He and Towns would dominate the glass like no other frontcourt duo in the NBA. I'm so jealous....

[ace625214]

I would cry if we took Ellenson at 3. I don't think he's ever going to be a good defender in the NBA.

[Worm Guts]

Looks like the combine measurements are out, Chinese guy is massive.

[C.lupus]

Looks like the combine measurements are out, Chinese guy is massive.

Well he's tall at least. 7' 2.25" but only 218 pounds.

[C.lupus]

Oklahoma standout Buddy Hield measured a bit longer than expected with a 6'9.25 wingspan while standing 6'5 in shoes. Hield doesn't have standout size for a shooting guard, but he has well above average height and length to go along with a solid 212-pound frame that ranks prominently among prospects at his position historically.

Not as undersized as some folks here want to make him out to be.

[Killboard]

Thibs already met with:

Dunn
Brown
Ellenson
Brice Johnson
Deyonta Davis

Hope for Deyonta of that bunch.

He also said we need shooting and defense(not much of both things together on any of those prospects).

[Klomp]

Oklahoma standout Buddy Hield measured a bit longer than expected with a 6'9.25 wingspan while standing 6'5 in shoes. Hield doesn't have standout size for a shooting guard, but he has well above average height and length to go along with a solid 212-pound frame that ranks prominently among prospects at his position historically.

Not as undersized as some folks here want to make him out to be.

Definitely helps himself

[Klomp]

-Jakob Poeltl posted an even wingspan differential at the 2015 Nike Skills Academy, so it came a as a bit of a surprise that he measured an identical 7'1 in shoes, but with a 7'2.75 wingspan, up almost 2 full inches from last summer. At 239 pounds but with an impressive 5.8% body fat, it will be interesting to see how easily Poeltl can pack lean mass onto his frame in the coming seasons as his weight hasn't changed almost at all over the last year. At this stage, he's similarly proportioned to Willie Cauley-Stein, even if he isn't that same caliber of athlete.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-NBA-Draft-Combine-Measurements-Analysis-5478

[Klomp]

I think it's time that people start talking about Ellenson as a top 3 pick along with Bender. You guys couldn't have asked for two better prospects to be available in your range this year.

Ellenson is incredibly skilled and is a beast on the boards. Oh and he measured in with a '7.25" foot wingspan. He also has the confidence and IQ you need to succeed at this level. He and Towns would dominate the glass like no other frontcourt duo in the NBA. I'm so jealous....

If Thibs thinks he can fix his defense, I wouldn't have a problem with it. 6'11.5" in shoes, which is actually taller than what KAT measured at before his freshman year (no Combine measurement)

[Worm Guts]

I don't know if it changes anyone's opinion but Ellenson is 6'10 without shoes and probably could be a legitimately sized center.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Thibs already met with:

Dunn
Brown
Ellenson
Brice Johnson
Deyonta Davis

Hope for Deyonta of that bunch.

He also said we need shooting and defense(not much of both things together on any of those prospects).

yeah, Davis is my favorite from this group.

[Klomp]

I have a gut feeling he'll love Dunn