All-Time Fantasy Draft With FGA Limit - Meta Thread

[Quotatious]

Okay, guys - listen, this is your commissioner speaking!

I took the guys who selected 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th and 15th, and put them in the Eastern conference.
I took the guys who selected 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th, 12th, 14th and 16th, and put them in the Western conference.

Why? No real reason for that.

Then I randomized it, and the randomizer gave me this:

East:

1. Doctor MJ
2. Narigo
3. lilroddyb
4. OrlandoTill
5. Dr Spaceman
6. Timmaytime
7. MisterHibachi
8. Square

So, we have the following matchups:

Doctor MJ vs Square
Narigo vs MisterHibachi
lilroddyb vs Timmaytime
OrlandoTill vs Dr Spaceman

West:

1. AustinCarr61
2. Quotatious
3. theonlyclutch
4. eminence
5. E-Balla
6. LA Bird
7. Clyde Frazier
8. wojoaderge

So, we have the following matchups:

AustinCarr61 vs wojoaderge
Quotatious vs Clyde Frazier
theonlyclutch vs LA Bird
eminence vs E-Balla

Please specify seasons of your players in the next couple of days.

[wojoaderge]

Guys, remember our discussion from pages 19 and 20 of this thread (posts 377-386), after I mentioned a mysterious "true MVP, all-time great player"? Well, I was thinking about Ewing, pretty sure that some of you guys had Iverson in mind...I didn't expect anybody to take Iverson, but Ewing? He seemed like a GREAT centerpiece for any team, even as a first option (his awesome RS performance carried over the playoffs that year, he was really in the upper echelon of the best centers of all-time, that year).

I knew you were talking about Ewing. I think Wojo was talking about Moses.

You're right

[Doctor MJ]

Please specify seasons of your players in the next couple of days.

Will we be doing team pages giving a general sense of the aims of our team? If so, when is that due?

When is the write up due for our first round matchup? Will there be rebuttals?

My guess would be that some people would like at least through part of Saturday to write up whatever needs to be written up.

[Doctor MJ]

It's interesting how it all works out for these undrafted superstars.

When I picked Zo in the 3rd, I remember thinking it was interesting that Zo was the first Georgetown pick when most rank Ewing higher. Then Mutombo went with the next pick and I thought Ewing would be very soon...but once we got past the 3rd round, most of us were past our allotted "star" slots, and Ewing's one of these guys it's hard to get excited about as a role player even if you're not worried about 85 FGA.

One of the things I like to think about - particularly when doing something like this - is the "shape" of the mythical Super-NBA which would be basically to the real NBA what the real NBA is to college. Obviously the very top players for the most part will still be in their same role as in the NBA...just as they largely had the same type of role in college. Where it gets interesting are the lesser franchise players who now simply can't hack it as franchise guys and so would have to work as role players.

This is something we see with prospects all the time, and the result is that sometimes the worse college player ends up the better pro, simply because he's actually more talented at being a role player - of course other times attitude is a big part too.

[Quotatious]

Please specify seasons of your players in the next couple of days.

Will we be doing team pages giving a general sense of the aims of our team? If so, when is that due?

When is the write up due for our first round matchup? Will there be rebuttals?

My guess would be that some people would like at least through part of Saturday to write up whatever needs to be written up.

Yes, absolutely, there will be team pages. However, I think we'll just make write-ups focusing on our specific opponents, I don't want to force people to make two write-ups (the first would be a general description of your team, but I don't think it's necessary, we can just do it once, in our separate matchup threads).

Deadline for write-ups? I'd go with Monday, May 16th, so you guys have a little over four days to do it, so even longer than you suggested. There's no need to rush it.

Rebuttals? Yes, of course, that's the point of this entire exercise, isn't it? Everybody will have a chance to post their write-ups and one rebuttal. Then, we'll leave it to the judges (the group of judges is steadily growing, right now we have 9: SideshowBob, RSCD3_, ronnymac2, Texas Chuck, AceofSpades69, mischievous, 70sFan, penbeast0 and Owly, but I'm still waiting for a few more guys that I PMd earlier today).

[Quotatious]

Funny how the best of Georgetown centers went undrafted.

[eminence]

A 4 seed, what kind of garbage is this?!?

Time to get to work on the write-up though, I'm thinking some kind of super-version of the early 90's Blazers.

[E-Balla]

I was looking at best-of-the-rest type teams but Schrempf and Hill (and Buck) being taken late messed a couple up. In terms of the higher metric (PER, WS/48) peak guys (post 70 and on, because 60s non-super elites weren't getting picked, and sometimes perhaps even then not - Pettit) and their peak (or best value) fga tariffs -- may be missing some recent ones

Amar'e Stoudemire * 15.3
Moses Malone 16.7 16.2
Terrell Brandon 14.6
Elton Brand 18.2
Robert Parish 14.2
Bob Lanier 18.3
Kevin Love 18.5 14.1
Yao Ming 15.8
Bernard King 18.8
John Drew 15.2
Brandon Roy 16.9
Clyde Drexler 19.4
Patrick Ewing 20.4
Kevin Johnson 15.7 14.9 12 12.7
Andrew Bynum 13.3 7.6
Vince Carter 22.1
Brad Daugherty 13.8 12.8
Shawn Kemp 12.5 13.7 11.9
Marques Johnson 15.2 19.4

(some players with possible injury issue seasons there - Ming, KJ, Bynum)

* Intially left him off, because his dreadful D, and how conspicuous he looks at the top, and forgot to at least note it - but he has the numbers so I guess that is should at least be acknowledged.

I was originally getting Kemp for the Kemp-Nash oops but I saw McHale was available and couldn't resist.

Marques was my first starting SF too. He, Nash, McHale, and Walton seemed like 4 guys that would be in a comedy show plus he was possibly the best SF in the league at one time but I decided I needed a defender in Deng and I could swap out Nash for the best scoring version of Nash to make up for losing who would've been the second option if I took him. Still love the squad though.

[MisterHibachi]

Narigo vs MisterHibachi

Payback time.

[Narigo]

PG:1963 Oscar Robertson(19.9)
SG: 2012 Paul George(9.7)
SF: 2010 Paul Pierce(12.2)
PF: 1992 Horace Grant(9.8)
C: 1967 Wilt Chamberlain(14.2)


Bench:
1997 Ron Harper(5.3)
2015 DeAndre Jordan(6.5)
1989 Craig Ehlo(6.4)

That is 84 FGA

[E-Balla]

Guys, remember our discussion from pages 19 and 20 of this thread (posts 377-386), after I mentioned a mysterious "true MVP, all-time great player"? Well, I was thinking about Ewing, pretty sure that some of you guys had Iverson in mind...I didn't expect anybody to take Iverson, but Ewing? He seemed like a GREAT centerpiece for any team, even as a first option (his awesome RS performance carried over the playoffs that year, he was really in the upper echelon of the best centers of all-time, that year).

I thought you meant Rose. Ewing is great but he fell victim to the FGA trap. Robinson has great low volume seasons but when Pat had low volume he wasn't all that good. I probably would have taken him or Moses but I got Walton luckily and ran off into the sunset. I'm really mad about losing McMillan. I had a plan to snatch him and use that high FGA count I had left on 97 Grant Hill.

[Narigo]

Narigo vs MisterHibachi

Payback time.

So we meet again MisterHibachi

[MisterHibachi]

Narigo vs MisterHibachi

Payback time.

So we meet again MisterHibachi

[Dr Spaceman]

Mike Conley 2015
Klay Thompson 2016
Magic 1985
Rasheed Wallace 2000
Anthony Davis 2015

Andrew Bogut 2016
Thabo Sefolosha 2012
Josh McRoberts 2013

Grand total of 84.9

I have free time the next couple days so I'll probably get around to doing a general write up as well as a matchup-specific one.

[Timmaytime]

Guys, remember our discussion from pages 19 and 20 of this thread (posts 377-386), after I mentioned a mysterious "true MVP, all-time great player"? Well, I was thinking about Ewing, pretty sure that some of you guys had Iverson in mind...I didn't expect anybody to take Iverson, but Ewing? He seemed like a GREAT centerpiece for any team, even as a first option (his awesome RS performance carried over the playoffs that year, he was really in the upper echelon of the best centers of all-time, that year).

I was sooooo close to taking his '89 season but I just didn't think his value was any better than '81 Gilmore at that point..

I just didn't have the FGA ready for it, I wish I did though

[Doctor MJ]

Funny how the best of Georgetown centers went undrafted.

Well realistically, I DID draft the center I think is best for the current era, and it's really only Zo's health issues that made him clearly below Ewing on my GOAT list even before factoring era changes in.

[Quotatious]

GMs who already specified seasons of their players:

Quotatious (84.8 total)
Dr Spaceman (84.9 total)
Narigo (84.0 total)
MisterHibachi (84.8 total)
Clyde Frazier (84.3 total)
Doctor MJ (84.2 total)
Square (85.0 total)
eminence (84.6 total)
theonlyclutch (84.8 total)
Timmaytime (85.0 total)
OrlandoTill (84.2)
E-Balla (77.9)
wojoaderge (85.0)
AustinCarr61 (85.0)

Wow, E-Balla, 77.9 FGAs... How the hell did you do it? You can change versions of some of your players if you want, you still have 7.1 FGAs available.

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Waiting for you guys to specify seasons of your players, and then we can get this show on the road.

[Square]

Wow, E-Balla, 77.9 FGAs... How the hell did you do it? You can change versions of some of your players if you want, you still have 7.1 FGAs available.

Nah, going from E-Balla's signature:

PG: 07 Nash/79 Buse
SG: 09 Allen/03 Christie
SF: 11 Deng
PF: 88 McHale/96 Outlaw
C: 77 Walton

I count:
07 Nash: 12.8
79 Buse: 7.0
09 Allen: 13.2
03 Christie: 7.0
11 Deng: 14.1
88 McHale: 14.2
96 Outlaw: 2.3
77 Walton: 14.3

Total: 84.9

[E-Balla]

Wow, E-Balla, 77.9 FGAs... How the hell did you do it? You can change versions of some of your players if you want, you still have 7.1 FGAs available.

Nah, going from E-Balla's signature:

PG: 07 Nash/79 Buse
SG: 09 Allen/03 Christie
SF: 11 Deng
PF: 88 McHale/96 Outlaw
C: 77 Walton

I count:
07 Nash: 12.8
79 Buse: 7.0
09 Allen: 13.2
03 Christie: 7.0
11 Deng: 14.1
88 McHale: 14.2
96 Outlaw: 2.3
77 Walton: 14.3

Total: 84.9

I was just about to post this. I think he missed Christie or Buse. I made sure to use my FGAs I almost got Dr. J at SF before my calculating how that would affect my bench.

[E-Balla]

Okay, so, below are the details of my team's players. I'll say up front that I began the project saying I wasn't going to count FGA but I changed my mind. Why? Well, maybe because I'm stubborn but not that stubborn. You've probably heard me whine sanctimoniously about the rules, but I don't want to make it impossible to have a meaningful tournament because I really love the write up portion of something like this.

And y'know what, once I got past my pride, I enjoyed re-thinking my team. When I eventually do my main write up, I'm going to build the ages of my players into the narrative which will make for a much more fun story, and may in fact help the team seem more real.

Without further ado...
Your Longshoremen of Long Beach...

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Player          Year    FGA
Larry Bird      1980   17.8
Jerry West      1968   18.2
Alonzo Mourning 1999   13.8
Joe Dumars      1997   11.1
Paul Millsap    2007    4.9
Wes Unseld      1978    6.1
Steve Kerr      1992    4.9
Buck Williams   1991    7.4
Total                  84.2


For someone that didn't pay much attention to FGAs you still managed to get nearly peak Zo and West. The Bird and Dumars picks aren't as good looking back on it (Bird and Dumars are great where you picked them but not 80 Bird in the first and 97 Dumars in the 4th iirc).

Funny how the best of Georgetown centers went undrafted.

Well realistically, I DID draft the center I think is best for the current era, and it's really only Zo's health issues that made him clearly below Ewing on my GOAT list even before factoring era changes in.

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This post is interesting to me. With Ewing's superior jumper (he's probably the best shooter of the GOAT level bigs) I would think he's over Zo in the modern era even more than he was back then. I guess it's a convo for another time tho.