Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[Ruzious]

So, looks like Saric wants to come over the Sixers this season. And they have Landry, Embiid, Okafor, Noel and Homes under contract. You gotta think something is going to give. Are we in any position to benefit?

Maybe a Satoransky for Saric trade? Or Beal S&T for one of the bigs + ?

I know others probably have more of what Philly wants - namely guards.

I suggested Beal S&T for Holmes and Covington (CCJ said NO). I think they're excited to have Saric - and he's their best fit at the 4, so he likely stays.

[dckingsfan]

So, looks like Saric wants to come over the Sixers this season. And they have Landry, Embiid, Okafor, Noel and Homes under contract. You gotta think something is going to give. Are we in any position to benefit?

Maybe a Satoransky for Saric trade? Or Beal S&T for one of the bigs + ?

I know others probably have more of what Philly wants - namely guards.

I suggested Beal S&T for Holmes and Covington (CCJ said NO). I think they're excited to have Saric - and he's their best fit at the 4, so he likely stays.

You are right - Saric will be a good fit for them. But they are going to need to move someone right? I guess having 6 FC players is fine.

They can just use their draft picks on guards. They are in an interesting position right now...

[51X3RF4N]

I would do a Beal S&T for Okafor as the base of a trade. Thoughts?

[dckingsfan]

I would do a Beal S&T for Okafor as the base of a trade. Thoughts?

I would think this would be a good start.

[gambitx777]

I would go for Embid and a pick. use the taking embid off their hands as a smoke screen to try and get a high pick off of them.

[queridiculo]

I would go for Embid and a pick. use the taking embid off their hands as a smoke screen to try and get a high pick off of them.

+1 I'd rather take my chance with Embiid.

[51X3RF4N]

I would go for Embid and a pick. use the taking embid off their hands as a smoke screen to try and get a high pick off of them.

+1 I'd rather take my chance with Embiid.

Nobody in Philly wants Embiid "taken off our hands". Embiid is seen as "THE FUTURE" here in Philly. Most people in the know feel that he is going to be a remarkable big in the NBA.

So no, Embiid isn't being traded at this point. Not after how much the organization has invested in him these past 2 years. Okafor is the most likely big man to be traded. So any deal involving a Philly big for Beal would most likely be Okafor, MAYBE Noel instead though.

I just figured y'all would value Okafor higher than Noel, so I started with him.

[nate33]

I would go for Embid and a pick. use the taking embid off their hands as a smoke screen to try and get a high pick off of them.

+1 I'd rather take my chance with Embiid.

Nobody in Philly wants Embiid "taken off our hands". Embiid is seen as "THE FUTURE" here in Philly. Most people in the know feel that he is going to be a remarkable big in the NBA.

So no, Embiid isn't being traded at this point. Not after how much the organization has invested in him these past 2 years. Okafor is the most likely big man to be traded. So any deal involving a Philly big for Beal would most likely be Okafor, MAYBE Noel instead though.

I just figured y'all would value Okafor higher than Noel, so I started with him.

I'd definitely trade Beal for Okafor. That's a no-brainer for contract reasons alone.

[payitforward]

We're talking about the same subject over in the off-season thread.

There's been a change of regime in Philly, and Colangelo is a very different kind of guy than Hinkie. While I still agree w/ 51X3 that they're unlikely to trade him, he does present a risk because of the time it's taking for him to recover from his injury.

But gambit's idea that we can get both a big and a high pick for Beal is a fantasy (may it come true! but it won't). On DR, I see Philly listed w/ the overall #1 pick and #s 24 & 26. I would consider Noel and those 2 late picks a very good deal for us.

But Bert & Ernie -- I mean Ted & Ernie, sorry -- won't see it that way. And they seem to have no intention of trading Beal anyway: "We like our core."

[Ruzious]

+1 I'd rather take my chance with Embiid.

Nobody in Philly wants Embiid "taken off our hands". Embiid is seen as "THE FUTURE" here in Philly. Most people in the know feel that he is going to be a remarkable big in the NBA.

So no, Embiid isn't being traded at this point. Not after how much the organization has invested in him these past 2 years. Okafor is the most likely big man to be traded. So any deal involving a Philly big for Beal would most likely be Okafor, MAYBE Noel instead though.

I just figured y'all would value Okafor higher than Noel, so I started with him.

I'd definitely trade Beal for Okafor. That's a no-brainer for contract reasons alone.

I'd be happy to S&T Beal for Noel. Okafor is a 20 year old dinosaur in today's NBA - at both ends of the court. He can put up 30 points and still hurt his team with his complete lack of PnR defense and high turnover rate.

[nate33]

Nobody in Philly wants Embiid "taken off our hands". Embiid is seen as "THE FUTURE" here in Philly. Most people in the know feel that he is going to be a remarkable big in the NBA.

So no, Embiid isn't being traded at this point. Not after how much the organization has invested in him these past 2 years. Okafor is the most likely big man to be traded. So any deal involving a Philly big for Beal would most likely be Okafor, MAYBE Noel instead though.

I just figured y'all would value Okafor higher than Noel, so I started with him.

I'd definitely trade Beal for Okafor. That's a no-brainer for contract reasons alone.

I'd be happy to S&T Beal for Noel. Okafor is a 20 year old dinosaur in today's NBA - at both ends of the court. He can put up 30 points and still hurt his team with his complete lack of PnR defense and high turnover rate.

I agree that Noel is a better player than Okafor right now, and, in general, I prefer a one-dimensional defensive center over a one dimensional offensive one. But Noel is about to be an expensive free agent in a year, and he has injury concerns. I'm not sure his body can stand the grind of being a full time center, and he isn't skilled enough to be a PF. I'd rather take my chances on Okafor learning how to play some defense. He is only 20 and has 3 more rookie-contract years to figure it out.

If nothing else, Okafor will remain a valuable trade asset for 2.5 more years. Noel's trade value will drop to near zero by the Trade Deadline. And next summer, Noel is going to sign a near max albatross contract when the league cap is at an all time high (and will actually drop in ensuing years).

[gambitx777]

I'd definitely trade Beal for Okafor. That's a no-brainer for contract reasons alone.

I'd be happy to S&T Beal for Noel. Okafor is a 20 year old dinosaur in today's NBA - at both ends of the court. He can put up 30 points and still hurt his team with his complete lack of PnR defense and high turnover rate.

I agree that Noel is a better player than Okafor right now, and, in general, I prefer a one-dimensional defensive center over a one dimensional offensive one. But Noel is about to be an expensive free agent in a year, and he has injury concerns. I'm not sure his body can stand the grind of being a full time center, and he isn't skilled enough to be a PF. I'd rather take my chances on Okafor learning how to play some defense. He is only 20 and has 3 more rookie-contract years to figure it out.

If nothing else, Okafor will remain a valuable trade asset for 2.5 more years. Noel's trade value will drop to near zero by the Trade Deadline. And next summer, Noel is going to sign a near max albatross contract when the league cap is at an all time high (and will actually drop in ensuing years).

Noels skill set, health, and contract give you more leverage in a trade deal and make him more likely to grab.
Noel/Embid/ a package or covington and holmes / Okafur.
thats the order of what I would go after player wise from philly in order to most wanted to least. You might be able to get noel into a not too awful extention, Embid because oh his issues should be tradeable (someone from philly dissagrees) But you have to realize there are new people in charge and they see a chance to bump a guy who has never played for a player who is an established quality 2 guard they might jump at the chance to add that star power. I don't like Okafur he has a bad attitude and I don't think putting a guy like that around wall is a good idea.

[gambitx777]

I would go for Embid and a pick. use the taking embid off their hands as a smoke screen to try and get a high pick off of them.

+1 I'd rather take my chance with Embiid.

Nobody in Philly wants Embiid "taken off our hands". Embiid is seen as "THE FUTURE" here in Philly. Most people in the know feel that he is going to be a remarkable big in the NBA.

So no, Embiid isn't being traded at this point. Not after how much the organization has invested in him these past 2 years. Okafor is the most likely big man to be traded. So any deal involving a Philly big for Beal would most likely be Okafor, MAYBE Noel instead though.

I just figured y'all would value Okafor higher than Noel, so I started with him.

The fans probably but the team may feel different, new people running the show up there and all. They might jump at the chance to get some star power. and see a guy who never played and some kind of pick as a solid price to pay for it.

[dckingsfan]

Portland is a team on the rise - but they have some interesting choices as well. Namely what to do with Leonard, Harkless and Crabbe. Guess they could potentially sign all three since they only have $56M committed.

Love to S&T Beal for Crabbe & Leonard. Pretty sure Beal wouldn't want to go there though.

[payitforward]

I'd be happy to S&T Beal for Noel. Okafor is a 20 year old dinosaur in today's NBA - at both ends of the court. He can put up 30 points and still hurt his team with his complete lack of PnR defense and high turnover rate.

I agree that Noel is a better player than Okafor right now, and, in general, I prefer a one-dimensional defensive center over a one dimensional offensive one. But Noel is about to be an expensive free agent in a year, and he has injury concerns. I'm not sure his body can stand the grind of being a full time center, and he isn't skilled enough to be a PF. I'd rather take my chances on Okafor learning how to play some defense. He is only 20 and has 3 more rookie-contract years to figure it out.

If nothing else, Okafor will remain a valuable trade asset for 2.5 more years. Noel's trade value will drop to near zero by the Trade Deadline. And next summer, Noel is going to sign a near max albatross contract when the league cap is at an all time high (and will actually drop in ensuing years).

Noels skill set, health, and contract give you more leverage in a trade deal and make him more likely to grab.
Noel/Embid/ a package or covington and holmes / Okafur.
thats the order of what I would go after player wise from philly in order to most wanted to least. You might be able to get noel into a not too awful extention, Embid because oh his issues should be tradeable (someone from philly dissagrees) But you have to realize there are new people in charge and they see a chance to bump a guy who has never played for a player who is an established quality 2 guard they might jump at the chance to add that star power. I don't like Okafur he has a bad attitude and I don't think putting a guy like that around wall is a good idea.

Leverage? We have no leverage whatsoever.

Every team in the league would want a healthy Joel Embiid. If his recovery is going well, Philly won't trade him. If they're willing to trade him, his recovery isn't going well!

Jahlil Okafor is 20 years old; I'm not interested in judging him based on attitude. I'd take him in a minute for Beal -- that's a trade anyone would make I believe. I loved Beal when we picked him, and he still has a chance to become very very good. But up til now all he's "established" is that he's average. Plus he has no star power either -- where would you get that idea?

[Ruzious]

We do have leverage to the extent that we can choose to match any offer. It's not enough leverage to get full value, but it's something. Having said that, there's no way we get a healthy Embiid for Beal. Philly's not going to trade Embiid if he's healthy - regardless of whether or not Okafor is on their roster.

[payitforward]

We do have leverage to the extent that we can choose to match any offer. It's not enough leverage to get full value, but it's something. Having said that, there's no way we get a healthy Embiid for Beal. Philly's not going to trade Embiid if he's healthy - regardless of whether or not Okafor is on their roster.

Leverage: if Beal were tremendous value per dollar of likely salary, then yeah we'd have some leverage just as you describe. But, the wing positions are the easiest to fill w/ average production or better (because of the well known "shortage of tallness" problem and the special skills required of a PG).

So, IMO, the sixers can pretty easily look elsewhere for a good SG, and that limits our leverage considerably.

But, you make a great point about Embiid/Okafor -- we should hope hope hope for Embiid to be healthy! In that case, perhaps we would get Okafor for Beal!

I believe as well that Philly will very likely deal one of its two low R1 picks, probably both of them. It would be great to be back in the draft.

But... do I have the order of events wrong? Sorry to ask a dumb question, but can we do a sign 'n trade involving Beal before the draft?

[nate33]

But... do I have the order of events wrong? Sorry to ask a dumb question, but can we do a sign 'n trade involving Beal before the draft?

No. We can't trade Beal on Draft Day because Draft Day takes place before the July Moratorium. Beal is effectively a free agent right now and we don't have rights to trade him at all until we first sign him. And we can't sign him until after the July Moratorium.

The only way to trade him on Draft Day would to set up a "handshake agreement" whereby our trade partner agrees to draft the player we want in return for assurances that we will match any and all offers for Beal to retain his RFA rights so we can trade him after the July Moratorium. It would be a slight risk for our trade partner because Beal would have the option to unilaterally scuttle the deal by taking the qualifying offer (at a huge pay cut), but that's highly unlikely.

[payitforward]

My preferred trading partner for Beal, however, is still the Celtics. They have a pretty full roster and a zillion draft picks.

How about Marcus Smart, the #23 pick (take Brice Johnson), the #31 pick (take Diamond Stone or Cheick Diallo?), & the #35 pick (Melo Trimble? Caris Levert?) for Beal?

No Marcus Smart? How about Jordan Mickey instead? Not enough? How about Sullinger?

Just me dreamin'....

[payitforward]

But... do I have the order of events wrong? Sorry to ask a dumb question, but can we do a sign 'n trade involving Beal before the draft?

No. We can't trade Beal on Draft Day because Draft Day takes place before the July Moratorium. Beal is effectively a free agent right now and we don't have rights to trade him at all until we first sign him. And we can't sign him until after the July Moratorium.

The only way to trade him on Draft Day would to set up a "handshake agreement" whereby our trade partner agrees to draft the player we want in return for assurances that we will match any and all offers for Beal to retain his RFA rights so we can trade him after the July Moratorium. It would be a slight risk for our trade partner because Beal would have the option to unilaterally scuttle the deal by taking the qualifying offer (at a huge pay cut), but that's highly unlikely.

Ok, thanks. I imagine the agents are involved in those "handshake" deals, precisely to get rid of the risk you mention.

My Celtics proposals would require a lot of handshaking!