JT0 or DS: Hawks to decide this summer?

[Jamaaliver]

Excerpt from the myAJC piece -

At some point the Hawks will need to choose their starting point guard for next season.

Teague is entering the final year of his contract with the Hawks. Schroder will make $2.7 million next season and has a qualifying offer of $3.8 million in 2017-18.


...officials from other teams in the league believe the Hawks can’t go into next season with the same setup of Teague starting and Schroder coming off the bench. However, that remains an option.


There were moments this season when Teague was not happy watching from the bench as Schroder finished games. The guard never was publicly vocal about his displeasure when Budenholzer stayed with the hot hand in the final minutes of games. Recently, Schroder played all but a minute of the fourth quarter in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference semifinals and played the final 17 minutes in Game 4.

“It shows that Coach trusts me,” Schroder said about his late-game experiences. "I think it’s big-time for me to see that Coach trusts me like that...”

Schroder did get benched for two games this season for an issue with Budenholzer.

The Hawks fielded many offers for Teague at the trade deadline in February. While the Hawks had a high asking price at the deadline, an All-Star caliber point guard with an $8 million salary and expiring contract could be a tradable asset this summer. That is, if the Hawks believe Schroder is ready to take over.

Teague averaged 15.7 points and 5.9 assists in 28.5 minutes during the regular season.

Schroder averaged 11.0 points and 4.4 assists in 20.3 minutes during the season.

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[Jamaaliver]

This decision should have been made last summer. A GM with foresight sees these types of decisions coming and stays ahead of the game.

At this point...I don't even care. I see the reservations people have regarding DS. But he has a higher ceiling.

But moving both and signing Ish Smith could be beneficial big picture as well...

[Rip2137]

I am with you there. I don't trust Teague health wise going forward and I don't trust Dennis as a player to be a starter.

I would move them both honestly, but I don't think that's going to happen.

All I am going to say is I am either going to eat crow and Dennis will be a great point guard(and I will happily eat that crow) or what I see in him is true and he is a supersub, not a starter which would mean my team sucks...ugh.

[HMFFL]

It's has been known that Jeff Teague has been shopped and recently was before the trade deadline so I must believe that DS is our future point guard.
I prefer us to move Jeff Teague this off-season instead of waiting. I believe Teague has reached his ceiling with us and DS is just getting started.

[atlantabbq99]

Let the market decide which one is traded. If a better offer comes in for Teague then Dennis, then do that trade, and visa versa

[PandaKidd]

Yeah im in favor of moving Teague because we havent seen what Dennis can do with being named THE GUY. With starters minutes and no worry about being benched, maybe he takes a step forward. You dont give away YOUNG talent you got in the 1st round, i thought we all agreed to that.

DS isnt getting you a superstar, so his upside is he COULD be a star for YOU. Trade Teague, give DS the keys, see what happens.

[jayu70]

Dennis

[Geaux_Hawks]

I think this decision hinges on what direction the team wants to go. If we're still trying to compete, I could see Teague being retained. If we decide to just blow it up, then obviously Dennis will remain. Looking at how the playoffs ended, we could possibly see Dennis stick around even if we don't decide to blow it up. I personally feel as though Dennis has a higher probability to stay on the team than Teague for obvious reasons. Then again, who's to say neither is on the team.

[PandaKidd]

LOL you guys BITCH AND COMPLAIN about trading 1st round draft picks, and then the BEST FIRST ROUND PICK you took in the last 4 years and everyone is all "TRADE HIM"

you guys are nuts!

[PandaKidd]

Your Atlanta Hawks 1st round Draft Picks last 5 years:
2011-Damien James(GONE)
2012-John Jenkins (GONE)
2013- Dennis Schroeder
2014-Adriene Payne(GONE)
2015-Traded for THJ(to be continued)

The BEST player you took in the last 5 years and you want to trade him and keep the guy that is going to be GONE in a year. This fanbase NEVER learns.

What do you think DS is getting you? Show me a trade that I think makes the team better Im all ears. I dont see teams giving up big big big pieces to get DS.

[Rip2137]

Draft pick. That's the best thing you can get for Dennis. Unless you are packaging him in a sign and trade with Horford...(can you do that?) he is way better than his salary. But say the Lakers somehow signed derozen and wanted to move Clarkston(I know this trade makes no sense...just an example) or if Phoenix loses its mind and wants to move booker for another point guard because they want all the point guards...you would move him.

But honestly just because the other first round picks haven't panned out doesn't make him untouchable. I do still find it curious that you think putting him out there against better players will someone lead to him being alot better.

[Jamaaliver]

LOL you guys BITCH AND COMPLAIN about trading 1st round draft picks, and then the BEST FIRST ROUND PICK you took in the last 4 years and everyone is all "TRADE HIM"

you guys are nuts!

My complaint has always been wasting draft picks. Top 20 picks are assets that should net, hopefully, rotation pieces. But, as you mentioned above, most of the picks have been moved for lesser value or simply didn't pan out.

But To improve the team, no one is untouchable.

I do still find it curious that you think putting him out there against better players will someone lead to him being alot better.

To be fair, playing alongside the starters could probably lead to more effective play as he wont be required to carry the entire offensive load (as is the case with the backups). DS has already played fairly well in a dozen starts over the past year plus.

And at 22...he's still improving. Hell, from last post season to this post season was massive improvement. Which is to be expected at his age. Expecting that a player has already reached his peak before age 23...is an usual sentiment.



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[Rip2137]

Question....in the games Schroder closed out this year....did we win a single one? I am sure we had to have, but for the life of me, I cant remember one.

[MaceCase]

Draft pick. That's the best thing you can get for Dennis. Unless you are packaging him in a sign and trade with Horford...(can you do that?) he is way better than his salary. But say the Lakers somehow signed derozen and wanted to move Clarkston(I know this trade makes no sense...just an example) or if Phoenix loses its mind and wants to move booker for another point guard because they want all the point guards...you would move him.

But honestly just because the other first round picks haven't panned out doesn't make him untouchable. I do still find it curious that you think putting him out there against better players will someone lead to him being alot better.

Well no, can't aggregate players on top of Al being sign and traded. And yea, we've certainly seen enough of Dennis with and against starters thanks to Bud and my take is he still has some mighty tunnel vision no matter the talent around him. Irrational confidence is fine in stretches but I tend to be wary given that the last Hawk to display that personality trait couldn't make it a week without some trade proposal being made about him.

[simon24]

Your Atlanta Hawks 1st round Draft Picks last 5 years:
2011-Damien James(GONE)
2012-John Jenkins (GONE)
2013- Dennis Schroeder
2014-Adriene Payne(GONE)
2015-Traded for THJ(to be continued)

The BEST player you took in the last 5 years and you want to trade him and keep the guy that is going to be GONE in a year. This fanbase NEVER learns.

What do you think DS is getting you? Show me a trade that I think makes the team better Im all ears. I dont see teams giving up big big big pieces to get DS.

Probably a draft pick. A team like Philly got multiple 1sts.

[simon24]

Excerpt from the myAJC piece -

At some point the Hawks will need to choose their starting point guard for next season.

Teague is entering the final year of his contract with the Hawks. Schroder will make $2.7 million next season and has a qualifying offer of $3.8 million in 2017-18.


...officials from other teams in the league believe the Hawks can’t go into next season with the same setup of Teague starting and Schroder coming off the bench. However, that remains an option.


There were moments this season when Teague was not happy watching from the bench as Schroder finished games. The guard never was publicly vocal about his displeasure when Budenholzer stayed with the hot hand in the final minutes of games. Recently, Schroder played all but a minute of the fourth quarter in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference semifinals and played the final 17 minutes in Game 4.

“It shows that Coach trusts me,” Schroder said about his late-game experiences. "I think it’s big-time for me to see that Coach trusts me like that...”

Schroder did get benched for two games this season for an issue with Budenholzer.

The Hawks fielded many offers for Teague at the trade deadline in February. While the Hawks had a high asking price at the deadline, an All-Star caliber point guard with an $8 million salary and expiring contract could be a tradable asset this summer. That is, if the Hawks believe Schroder is ready to take over.

Teague averaged 15.7 points and 5.9 assists in 28.5 minutes during the regular season.

Schroder averaged 11.0 points and 4.4 assists in 20.3 minutes during the season.

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I just hate it since teams know they're both available they may try to low ball ATL.

If I was ATL, I'd go in the season with both PGs.

[dlb731]

Question....in the games Schroder closed out this year....did we win a single one? I am sure we had to have, but for the life of me, I cant remember one.

This brings me to the point that I saw in a lot of games, and it was very obvious in the last play of game 4 against the cavs. With Atlanta down by one, Schroeder had the ball in his hand, and it was his to win or loose the game. Its great that he took it upon himself to want that last play, and that is definitely the best part about him. But as a smart player, your first thought is "down by 1... I have to find a way to score.". The smart play would have been to drive hard to the rim, initiate the contact on the shot, and at the very least draw a foul and get sent to the line. Instead, he decided to do some fancy spin move at the end, which resulted in a jump ball situation... And we know the rest.

To sum it up, I think Schroeder definitely has the heart of a champion, but I'm not sold on his ability, mentally and physically. He's 170lbs, and for the life of me, I don't know of any other player as small as him. If he's going to be a starting point, he's going to take punishment, and I don't think his body can handle it. He may get you 15/8 a game, but anytime he gets a hard foul, its going to be bad.

[td00]

See if we can get a Jaylen Brown by moving Teague along with a #1...I don't have full confidence in Shroder though. We're going to have to take a chance to get us a legit 3.

See if we can get Ferry/Demps to take a deal so they can start this season with a healthy PG.

[Jamaaliver]

Mark Bradley of the AJC reiterates his belief that Teague should be moved to improve the team:

The Hawks’ best draft move would involve trading Teague

The Hawks enter this draft knowing they need to change – they just slipped from 60 wins to 46 – but can substantive change come via Pick No. 21? They’re not apt to find a difference-maker there, and it’s unlikely they could parlay that pick and Jeff Teague into a top five selection. (Into Buddy Hield or Jamal Murray, say.) Which isn’t to say they won’t trade Teague on Thursday. I’m guessing it’s 65-35 they will.

It’s time to see if Dennis Schroder can run this team, and Teague’s value will only diminish from here.

It would be a surprise if the Hawks don’t make noise Thursday night: By trading Teague, by trading up, by trading down, by doing something. They’re not coming off 60 wins and the East’s No. 1 seed this time around. They can’t make do with tweaks anymore. They have to start changing their core. Shedding Teague and promoting Schroder would be the first step. Getting a talented player or two in exchange for Teague would be the best step.

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[td00]

We finally moved a starter before it provided us anything in return. Good luck to JT, and get ready DS.

Now, we've got the 12th & 21st; are we really going to keep those 2 and just add rookies to this roster?