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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#201 » by NBlue » Fri May 13, 2016 7:50 pm

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The fact that his teams have never been higher than 19th in offensive efficiency and 23rd this season and the fact that his player rotations have been questionable.


I wouldn't even consider Vogel if it weren't for his win/loss ratio and playoff success in Indiana. They are boring to watch, and I've never seen a Vogel interview or clip where I came away impressed. I don't want to be dismissive of his accomplishments in Indiana though, because they are impressive. I will say that those successes came during a particularly low point in the Eastern Conference, when we were begging for anyone to serve as more than a speed bump to LeBron's teams in Miami. I really don't see Vogel as the obvious choice that many others do.

Like I said after Vogel was fired and before Skiles resigned, He and Skiles are practically a wash with Vogel having the luxury of coaching an elite player.


Absurd.

Not even close.

Vogel coached 6 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs EVERY Year but one (the year PG was out) and won 5 playoff series overall.

Skiles coached 14 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs only 6 of those years and won only 2 playoff series in all of those years.

So, to be clear, Vogel has coached less than half the time of Skiles but has been to the playoffs almost as many times and has won just about THREE TIMES as many playoff of series as Skiles.

Practically a wash... :noway:
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#202 » by Jiwol » Fri May 13, 2016 7:51 pm

magictime09 wrote:So besides finding the right fit is there any limitation to coaches because of money? Does that leave less room to sign a free agent? And what happens to the contract Skiles agreed to? Does that mean we are going to keep paying him?


There are no limitations and coach's salary doesn't count towards a cap. Skiles quit so he forfeits his remaining salary, he'd keep it if he got fired.
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#203 » by NBlue » Fri May 13, 2016 7:54 pm

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Magic_Kingdom wrote:I would like Vogel, but my guess is that we'll miss out on him because the Magic's M.O. is to drag their feet on things like this and squander opportunities. I can already hear Hennigan -- "we're going to take our time and make sure we have developed the criteria and identified someone who will be the right coach for this organ..." Dude, your process does not work, so scrap it. Is Vogel the best coach out there? Then go hire him and shut up.

By the same token, Batum and Conley aren't coming here. Wherever we were on free agents' lists before, we have now dropped a few spots. The national perception of this team just took a huge hit, whether we want to admit it or not. And it's still a star-less team. No all-star, and no player who you look at and think "next season he's an all-star."
actually, i actually think we took a few steps forward, in free agency, with Skiles' leaving.

Just one good hire for a coach, then we're set. Will we miss the chance on voegel? Idk. Messina and Hornacek are still available too.

Its not like Skiles has a sparkling reputation as a good player's coach.

We won 35-ganes last season with a coach like Skiles at the helm. So a better coach can have more than 35 wins with this roster. Add in a year of improvements, a lotto pick, and tons Of cap space to offer, we're not that less attractive. We'll be more attractive now with a good hire.


Can't disagree more. This organization looks like a bunch of fools after this. We'll be lucky to get any decent free agents to even consider us and our coaching choices will be severely limited when they realize they'll have little to no say in the roster.


Slow down there just a moment, cowboy. So this untimely resignation is going to stop the flood of free agents all of whom were ready to flock to and hop on the Skiles express? Ummm, okay. Please let me know the free agent that you think would have considered us with the great Scott Skiles as our coach but now would not consider us with, say, a Vogel, Blatt or Hornacek at the helm? I suppose it does hurt our chances of resigning Brandon Jennings but besides that -- I'll listen to your suggestions...
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#204 » by NBlue » Fri May 13, 2016 7:56 pm

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magictime09 wrote:So besides finding the right fit is there any limitation to coaches because of money? Does that leave less room to sign a free agent? And what happens to the contract Skiles agreed to? Does that mean we are going to keep paying him?


There are no limitations and coach's salary doesn't count towards a cap. Skiles quit so he forfeits his remaining salary, he'd keep it if he got fired.


The team and Skiles reached a separation agreement. The terms are not disclosed. But he was paid to go away so that's not entirely accurate.
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#205 » by Jiwol » Fri May 13, 2016 7:57 pm

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magictime09 wrote:So besides finding the right fit is there any limitation to coaches because of money? Does that leave less room to sign a free agent? And what happens to the contract Skiles agreed to? Does that mean we are going to keep paying him?


There are no limitations and coach's salary doesn't count towards a cap. Skiles quit so he forfeits his remaining salary, he'd keep it if he got fired.


The team and Skiles reached a separation agreement. The terms are not disclosed. But he was paid to go away so that's not entirely accurate.


Where did you take that from?
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#206 » by Xatticus » Fri May 13, 2016 7:59 pm

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magictime09 wrote:So besides finding the right fit is there any limitation to coaches because of money? Does that leave less room to sign a free agent? And what happens to the contract Skiles agreed to? Does that mean we are going to keep paying him?


There are no limitations and coach's salary doesn't count towards a cap. Skiles quit so he forfeits his remaining salary, he'd keep it if he got fired.


We don't know this. Hennigan and Martins both indicated some sort of deal was in place, but refused to specify what the terms were. I'm sure Skiles got some compensation, with the stipulation that neither party discloses the information that all of us would like to hear.
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#207 » by OrlChamps2030 » Fri May 13, 2016 8:03 pm

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I wouldn't even consider Vogel if it weren't for his win/loss ratio and playoff success in Indiana. They are boring to watch, and I've never seen a Vogel interview or clip where I came away impressed. I don't want to be dismissive of his accomplishments in Indiana though, because they are impressive. I will say that those successes came during a particularly low point in the Eastern Conference, when we were begging for anyone to serve as more than a speed bump to LeBron's teams in Miami. I really don't see Vogel as the obvious choice that many others do.

Like I said after Vogel was fired and before Skiles resigned, He and Skiles are practically a wash with Vogel having the luxury of coaching an elite player.


Absurd.

Not even close.

Vogel coached 6 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs EVERY Year but one (the year PG was out) and won 6 playoff series overall.

Skiles coached 14 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs only 6 of those years and won only 2 playoff series in all of those years.

So, to be clear, Vogel has coached less than half the time of Skiles but has been to the playoffs almost as many times and has won THREE TIMES as many playoff of series as Skiles.

Practically a wash... :noway:


Not to mention.. Paul George wasn't an all star until year 3 of Vogel's coaching tenure in Indy. Also, guys like Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert were all-stars under Vogel. Really is not a wash..

Also Vogel didnt quit on his team twice
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Post#208 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri May 13, 2016 8:07 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Cool. I'm looking forward to lottery appearences for the next 3 years, minimum.


Magic's chances of making the playoffs next year just took a serious plunge!


it is ASININE to make this comment right now. You want to make it after we use cap space to sign whoever we get and whatever happens with the draft, then fine that i could agree with.

But for example, we sign Conley and Batum, along with a coach like Vogel, you honestly think that team's playoff chances plunges?


I seriously doubt that the Magic target Batum and Conley to add to an already crowded backcourt. Magic fans have an over fascination with Batum. Personally, I doubt Henny give him a second thought.
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#209 » by MrShow » Fri May 13, 2016 8:07 pm

NBlue wrote:
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fendilim wrote:actually, i actually think we took a few steps forward, in free agency, with Skiles' leaving.

Just one good hire for a coach, then we're set. Will we miss the chance on voegel? Idk. Messina and Hornacek are still available too.

Its not like Skiles has a sparkling reputation as a good player's coach.

We won 35-ganes last season with a coach like Skiles at the helm. So a better coach can have more than 35 wins with this roster. Add in a year of improvements, a lotto pick, and tons Of cap space to offer, we're not that less attractive. We'll be more attractive now with a good hire.


Can't disagree more. This organization looks like a bunch of fools after this. We'll be lucky to get any decent free agents to even consider us and our coaching choices will be severely limited when they realize they'll have little to no say in the roster.


Slow down there just a moment, cowboy. So this untimely resignation is going to stop the flood of free agents all of whom were ready to flock to and hop on the Skiles express? Ummm, okay. Please let me know the free agent that you think would have considered us with the great Scott Skiles as our coach but now would not consider us with, say, a Vogel, Blatt or Hornacek at the helm? I suppose it does hurt our chances of resigning Brandon Jennings but besides that -- I'll listen to your suggestions...


Where did I say any of that? It's not that hard to understand that potential free agents, especially the really good ones, will be turned off by an organization in turmoil. What have Vogel, Blatt, Hornacek or any other second rate coach you want to name done that Skiles hasn't? I hope I'm wrong but it's looking more likely than not we'll end up with a cast off coach and free agent scraps.
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#210 » by NBlue » Fri May 13, 2016 8:07 pm

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NBlue wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
There are no limitations and coach's salary doesn't count towards a cap. Skiles quit so he forfeits his remaining salary, he'd keep it if he got fired.


The team and Skiles reached a separation agreement. The terms are not disclosed. But he was paid to go away so that's not entirely accurate.


Where did you take that from?


Bianchi: "And Skiles likely will never say anything either considering the Magic most likely bought his silence by admitting they had reached a "separation agreement" with their former coach. A separation agreement, by most accounts, can be defined thusly: 'Here's a bunch of money, now shut up!'"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-magic-scott-skiles-mike-bianchi-0513-20160512-column.html
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#211 » by Nyce_1 » Fri May 13, 2016 8:08 pm

NBlue wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
magictime09 wrote:So besides finding the right fit is there any limitation to coaches because of money? Does that leave less room to sign a free agent? And what happens to the contract Skiles agreed to? Does that mean we are going to keep paying him?


There are no limitations and coach's salary doesn't count towards a cap. Skiles quit so he forfeits his remaining salary, he'd keep it if he got fired.


The team and Skiles reached a separation agreement. The terms are not disclosed. But he was paid to go away so that's not entirely accurate.

If the terms were not disclosed how to you know he was paid to go away?

If you were to quit your job today, would you collect a severance package?
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#212 » by Nyce_1 » Fri May 13, 2016 8:10 pm

NBlue wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
NBlue wrote:
The team and Skiles reached a separation agreement. The terms are not disclosed. But he was paid to go away so that's not entirely accurate.


Where did you take that from?


Bianchi: "And Skiles likely will never say anything either considering the Magic most likely bought his silence by admitting they had reached a "separation agreement" with their former coach. A separation agreement, by most accounts, can be defined thusly: 'Here's a bunch of money, now shut up!'"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-magic-scott-skiles-mike-bianchi-0513-20160512-column.html

speculation. And even worse, Bianchi speculation. SMH

Martins did a radio interview with Bianchi this morning and Bianchi tried to slide in the assumption that Orlando paid Skiles, and Martins was quick to dismiss the notion.
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#213 » by Rick Rolled » Fri May 13, 2016 8:16 pm

MrShow wrote: What have Vogel, Blatt, Hornacek or any other second rate coach you want to name done that Skiles hasn't? I hope I'm wrong but it's looking more likely than not we'll end up with a cast off coach and free agent scraps.


Echoing what was said above;

Vogel - 2 Eastern Conference Finals appearances in 6 seasons, and made the playoffs 5 times in 6 seasons.
Blatt - 1 NBA finals appearance in 1 season.
Skiles - Made it out of the 1st round 2 times in 14 years.

I actually liked Skiles, but his resume doesn't really stack up to the other guys when you look at it in plain terms.
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Post#214 » by AddiFB » Fri May 13, 2016 8:20 pm

Orlando needs better sports reporters and analysts. I don't take anything Bianchi or Schmitz say or write, seriously.
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Post#215 » by Nyce_1 » Fri May 13, 2016 8:36 pm

Pretty great insight into Coach Griff and what type of coach he'll be. Interesting read if you have the moment. Found it on Reddit on the Magic board there.

Q&A WITH ORLANDO MAGIC LEAD ASSISTANT, ADRIAN GRIFFIN
Courtex Performance LLC:

“The NBA playoffs just got under way. As a long-time assistant coach and former player who competed in the 2006 NBA Finals, what do you think distinguishes top teams from the rest?”

Adrian Griffin:

“The top teams build winning habits from day one putting an emphasis on team development and individual progress alike. They understand it’s not just about wins and losses but building a culture of consistency. The lower tier teams often adopt a false illusion that you can turn “it” on or off with just a flip of a switch without putting in the required work to win consistently in this league. The success or lack of it in the postseason is in direct correlation to the effort and commitment to excellence that teams make in training camp and throughout the regular season. he year we went to the NBA Finals every player was committed to the vision of winning a championship. We fell in love with the process. When you looked to your left and you looked to your right you were fully confident that the guy next to you was giving it all he had, that is where the trust is created.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“What makes you believe you’re ready to move from your Lead Assistant Coach role with the Orlando Magic into a Head Coach job with an NBA team?”

Adrian Griffin:

“As a former player in the NBA, I can empathize with players, assisting them in navigating through the grinds of an 82-game season. As a coach, I’ve studied the importance of practice and holding players accountable while working with two of the most respected coaches in our league, Tom Thibodeau and Scott Skiles. However, what I’ve discovered in my 17 years of NBA experience is that it’s not just about X’s and O’s. Although technical and tactical training is important, what’s equally important is effectively managing relationships. For instance, I have observed that players become more invested in the team when they are encouraged to have an open and constructive dialogue with their coach. Holding weekly 1-on-1 conversations with players away from the court is an effective way to foster a greater sense of belonging. This time is extremely important to developing a sustainable, winning team culture. I want to inspire, not just motivate. The only way to do that is to touch the heart of the people around you!”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“When you get the opportunity to lead a team, what will you build your culture on?

Adrian Griffin:

“My coaching philosophy is rooted in building a culture that creates a safe environment for the players to step out of their comfort zone. In order to grow, one must be comfortable in making mistakes. Often coaches only look at stats but fail to take into account effort and progress. If you are building the right habits daily, the wins will take care of themselves. Players need to know that you are “for them” and that you have their best interest in mind. When they feel valued as people, and not just as players, they become more engaged and committed to the process. In addition, once I become an NBA Head Coach, I will construct a staff that puts a strong emphasis on building effective relationships with the players and is strong in what I like to refer to as the 3 C’s: Competence, Communication, Caring.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“Player development has become a hot topic in the NBA in recent years. How will you go about developing players in your role as an NBA Head Coach?”

Adrian Griffin:

“Player development is not just about developing a player’s physical and technical skills but it entails developing a player’s emotional intelligence. I prefer taking more of a holistic approach when it comes to player development. It is often said that the game is 90 percent mental and 10 percent physical. If that statement deems to be true, how much attention should organizations commit to developing a player’s mental skills? Teaching players mental skills, such as visualization and positive self talk, are just as important as teaching players how to shoot a jump shot. So in principle, we will practice from the neck down, maximizing players’ skills and physical development, AND we will practice from the neck up, specifically teaching mental preparation, focus, attention, communication, leadership…the list goes on.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“What do you think is the greatest challenge NBA organizations face in this day and age, and how will you address it in a leadership position?”

Adrian Griffin:

“One of the greatest challenges that NBA organizations face in today’s game is that the league is becoming much younger. I grew up in an age where coaches ruled with an iron fist and were seldom questioned or challenged. Even though this “Old School” style was effective some 20 years ago it may not be the most effective way of reaching the new “Millennial.” In this new millennium, players need to feel appreciated and typically respond best to positive reinforcement. Positive reinforcement can be a strong motivational tool. When coaches empower, praise, and connect with players on a daily basis, a strong bond is built. And when players feel valued they will run through the wall for their coach. That’s the approach I will take when I become a Head Coach in our league.”

http://www.courtexperform.com/coaches/interview-with-adrian-griffin/
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Post#216 » by The Other Ankle » Fri May 13, 2016 8:50 pm

This Griffin interview makes him sound very Henny compatible. I'd say that and the continuity factor might put him at the front of the line.

Nyce_1 wrote:Pretty great insight into Coach Griff and what type of coach he'll be. Interesting read if you have the moment. Found it on Reddit on the Magic board there.

Q&A WITH ORLANDO MAGIC LEAD ASSISTANT, ADRIAN GRIFFIN
Courtex Performance LLC:

“The NBA playoffs just got under way. As a long-time assistant coach and former player who competed in the 2006 NBA Finals, what do you think distinguishes top teams from the rest?”

Adrian Griffin:

“The top teams build winning habits from day one putting an emphasis on team development and individual progress alike. They understand it’s not just about wins and losses but building a culture of consistency. The lower tier teams often adopt a false illusion that you can turn “it” on or off with just a flip of a switch without putting in the required work to win consistently in this league. The success or lack of it in the postseason is in direct correlation to the effort and commitment to excellence that teams make in training camp and throughout the regular season. he year we went to the NBA Finals every player was committed to the vision of winning a championship. We fell in love with the process. When you looked to your left and you looked to your right you were fully confident that the guy next to you was giving it all he had, that is where the trust is created.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“What makes you believe you’re ready to move from your Lead Assistant Coach role with the Orlando Magic into a Head Coach job with an NBA team?”

Adrian Griffin:

“As a former player in the NBA, I can empathize with players, assisting them in navigating through the grinds of an 82-game season. As a coach, I’ve studied the importance of practice and holding players accountable while working with two of the most respected coaches in our league, Tom Thibodeau and Scott Skiles. However, what I’ve discovered in my 17 years of NBA experience is that it’s not just about X’s and O’s. Although technical and tactical training is important, what’s equally important is effectively managing relationships. For instance, I have observed that players become more invested in the team when they are encouraged to have an open and constructive dialogue with their coach. Holding weekly 1-on-1 conversations with players away from the court is an effective way to foster a greater sense of belonging. This time is extremely important to developing a sustainable, winning team culture. I want to inspire, not just motivate. The only way to do that is to touch the heart of the people around you!”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“When you get the opportunity to lead a team, what will you build your culture on?

Adrian Griffin:

“My coaching philosophy is rooted in building a culture that creates a safe environment for the players to step out of their comfort zone. In order to grow, one must be comfortable in making mistakes. Often coaches only look at stats but fail to take into account effort and progress. If you are building the right habits daily, the wins will take care of themselves. Players need to know that you are “for them” and that you have their best interest in mind. When they feel valued as people, and not just as players, they become more engaged and committed to the process. In addition, once I become an NBA Head Coach, I will construct a staff that puts a strong emphasis on building effective relationships with the players and is strong in what I like to refer to as the 3 C’s: Competence, Communication, Caring.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“Player development has become a hot topic in the NBA in recent years. How will you go about developing players in your role as an NBA Head Coach?”

Adrian Griffin:

“Player development is not just about developing a player’s physical and technical skills but it entails developing a player’s emotional intelligence. I prefer taking more of a holistic approach when it comes to player development. It is often said that the game is 90 percent mental and 10 percent physical. If that statement deems to be true, how much attention should organizations commit to developing a player’s mental skills? Teaching players mental skills, such as visualization and positive self talk, are just as important as teaching players how to shoot a jump shot. So in principle, we will practice from the neck down, maximizing players’ skills and physical development, AND we will practice from the neck up, specifically teaching mental preparation, focus, attention, communication, leadership…the list goes on.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“What do you think is the greatest challenge NBA organizations face in this day and age, and how will you address it in a leadership position?”

Adrian Griffin:

“One of the greatest challenges that NBA organizations face in today’s game is that the league is becoming much younger. I grew up in an age where coaches ruled with an iron fist and were seldom questioned or challenged. Even though this “Old School” style was effective some 20 years ago it may not be the most effective way of reaching the new “Millennial.” In this new millennium, players need to feel appreciated and typically respond best to positive reinforcement. Positive reinforcement can be a strong motivational tool. When coaches empower, praise, and connect with players on a daily basis, a strong bond is built. And when players feel valued they will run through the wall for their coach. That’s the approach I will take when I become a Head Coach in our league.”

http://www.courtexperform.com/coaches/interview-with-adrian-griffin/
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#217 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri May 13, 2016 8:57 pm

NBlue wrote:
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I wouldn't even consider Vogel if it weren't for his win/loss ratio and playoff success in Indiana. They are boring to watch, and I've never seen a Vogel interview or clip where I came away impressed. I don't want to be dismissive of his accomplishments in Indiana though, because they are impressive. I will say that those successes came during a particularly low point in the Eastern Conference, when we were begging for anyone to serve as more than a speed bump to LeBron's teams in Miami. I really don't see Vogel as the obvious choice that many others do.

Like I said after Vogel was fired and before Skiles resigned, He and Skiles are practically a wash with Vogel having the luxury of coaching an elite player.


Absurd.

Not even close.

Vogel coached 6 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs EVERY Year but one (the year PG was out) and won 6 playoff series overall.

Skiles coached 14 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs only 6 of those years and won only 2 playoff series in all of those years.

So, to be clear, Vogel has coached less than half the time of Skiles but has been to the playoffs almost as many times and has won THREE TIMES as many playoff of series as Skiles.

Practically a wash... :noway:
You're completely ignoring the circumstances of both guys as if it doesn't matter. We don't live in a vacuum.
Vogel had a guy that turned into an elite player and was successful at a time when the Eastern conference was really weak while Skiles routinely inherited young, rebuilding teams with no superstars all with the goal of turning them around rather quickly, and every time those teams improved dramatically. There were two teams in the East when Indiana was good and that was them and Miami when they had Lebron.

Not even close to being the same situations but both coaches are limited offensively while being good defensive coaches. They are a wash imo. As soon as PG went down they won 38 games... Please..its a wash. We'll see it if he comes here or goes to another rebuilding team. The bottom line is you need talent to win in this league. Frank Vogel is it going to take what we have instantly turn them into playoff contenders. Sorry he did it while having an elite player on his team that's a huge difference between what Scott Skiles has had and what he had in Orlando. Hennigan needs to add elite players to this team that is the bottom line Frank Vogel is not going to change much.
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Post#218 » by Melvinlocker » Fri May 13, 2016 9:08 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Pretty great insight into Coach Griff and what type of coach he'll be. Interesting read if you have the moment. Found it on Reddit on the Magic board there.

Q&A WITH ORLANDO MAGIC LEAD ASSISTANT, ADRIAN GRIFFIN
Courtex Performance LLC:

“The NBA playoffs just got under way. As a long-time assistant coach and former player who competed in the 2006 NBA Finals, what do you think distinguishes top teams from the rest?”

Adrian Griffin:

“The top teams build winning habits from day one putting an emphasis on team development and individual progress alike. They understand it’s not just about wins and losses but building a culture of consistency. The lower tier teams often adopt a false illusion that you can turn “it” on or off with just a flip of a switch without putting in the required work to win consistently in this league. The success or lack of it in the postseason is in direct correlation to the effort and commitment to excellence that teams make in training camp and throughout the regular season. he year we went to the NBA Finals every player was committed to the vision of winning a championship. We fell in love with the process. When you looked to your left and you looked to your right you were fully confident that the guy next to you was giving it all he had, that is where the trust is created.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“What makes you believe you’re ready to move from your Lead Assistant Coach role with the Orlando Magic into a Head Coach job with an NBA team?”

Adrian Griffin:

“As a former player in the NBA, I can empathize with players, assisting them in navigating through the grinds of an 82-game season. As a coach, I’ve studied the importance of practice and holding players accountable while working with two of the most respected coaches in our league, Tom Thibodeau and Scott Skiles. However, what I’ve discovered in my 17 years of NBA experience is that it’s not just about X’s and O’s. Although technical and tactical training is important, what’s equally important is effectively managing relationships. For instance, I have observed that players become more invested in the team when they are encouraged to have an open and constructive dialogue with their coach. Holding weekly 1-on-1 conversations with players away from the court is an effective way to foster a greater sense of belonging. This time is extremely important to developing a sustainable, winning team culture. I want to inspire, not just motivate. The only way to do that is to touch the heart of the people around you!”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“When you get the opportunity to lead a team, what will you build your culture on?

Adrian Griffin:

“My coaching philosophy is rooted in building a culture that creates a safe environment for the players to step out of their comfort zone. In order to grow, one must be comfortable in making mistakes. Often coaches only look at stats but fail to take into account effort and progress. If you are building the right habits daily, the wins will take care of themselves. Players need to know that you are “for them” and that you have their best interest in mind. When they feel valued as people, and not just as players, they become more engaged and committed to the process. In addition, once I become an NBA Head Coach, I will construct a staff that puts a strong emphasis on building effective relationships with the players and is strong in what I like to refer to as the 3 C’s: Competence, Communication, Caring.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“Player development has become a hot topic in the NBA in recent years. How will you go about developing players in your role as an NBA Head Coach?”

Adrian Griffin:

“Player development is not just about developing a player’s physical and technical skills but it entails developing a player’s emotional intelligence. I prefer taking more of a holistic approach when it comes to player development. It is often said that the game is 90 percent mental and 10 percent physical. If that statement deems to be true, how much attention should organizations commit to developing a player’s mental skills? Teaching players mental skills, such as visualization and positive self talk, are just as important as teaching players how to shoot a jump shot. So in principle, we will practice from the neck down, maximizing players’ skills and physical development, AND we will practice from the neck up, specifically teaching mental preparation, focus, attention, communication, leadership…the list goes on.”

Courtex Performance LLC:

“What do you think is the greatest challenge NBA organizations face in this day and age, and how will you address it in a leadership position?”

Adrian Griffin:

“One of the greatest challenges that NBA organizations face in today’s game is that the league is becoming much younger. I grew up in an age where coaches ruled with an iron fist and were seldom questioned or challenged. Even though this “Old School” style was effective some 20 years ago it may not be the most effective way of reaching the new “Millennial.” In this new millennium, players need to feel appreciated and typically respond best to positive reinforcement. Positive reinforcement can be a strong motivational tool. When coaches empower, praise, and connect with players on a daily basis, a strong bond is built. And when players feel valued they will run through the wall for their coach. That’s the approach I will take when I become a Head Coach in our league.”

http://www.courtexperform.com/coaches/interview-with-adrian-griffin/


He has sold me. We already knew that Griffin is one of the most respected assistants in the league, so why not hire him?
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#219 » by MrShow » Fri May 13, 2016 9:14 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
MrShow wrote: What have Vogel, Blatt, Hornacek or any other second rate coach you want to name done that Skiles hasn't? I hope I'm wrong but it's looking more likely than not we'll end up with a cast off coach and free agent scraps.


Echoing what was said above;

Vogel - 2 Eastern Conference Finals appearances in 6 seasons, and made the playoffs 5 times in 6 seasons.
Blatt - 1 NBA finals appearance in 1 season.
Skiles - Made it out of the 1st round 2 times in 14 years.

I actually liked Skiles, but his resume doesn't really stack up to the other guys when you look at it in plain terms.


Vogel had a vastly superior team than what he'll have in Orlando. The same can be said for Blatt, plus he had Lebron. So when it comes to getting the most out of the talent given, Skiles at least holds his own if not far exceeds the others.
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Re: The Quest for Magic Head Coach 

Post#220 » by OrlChamps2030 » Fri May 13, 2016 9:18 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
NBlue wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Like I said after Vogel was fired and before Skiles resigned, He and Skiles are practically a wash with Vogel having the luxury of coaching an elite player.


Absurd.

Not even close.

Vogel coached 6 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs EVERY Year but one (the year PG was out) and won 6 playoff series overall.

Skiles coached 14 years in the NBA -- took his team to the playoffs only 6 of those years and won only 2 playoff series in all of those years.

So, to be clear, Vogel has coached less than half the time of Skiles but has been to the playoffs almost as many times and has won THREE TIMES as many playoff of series as Skiles.

Practically a wash... :noway:
You're completely ignoring the circumstances of both guys as if it doesn't matter. We don't live in a vacuum.
Vogel had a guy that turned into an elite player and was successful at a time when the Eastern conference was really weak while Skiles routinely inherited young, rebuilding teams with no superstars all with the goal of turning them around rather quickly, and every time those teams improved dramatically. There were two teams in the East when Indiana was good and that was them and Miami when they had Lebron.

Not even close to being the same situations but both coaches are limited offensively while being good defensive coaches. They are a wash imo. As soon as PG went down they won 38 games... Please..its a wash. We'll see it if he comes here or goes to another rebuilding team. The bottom line is you need talent to win in this league. Frank Vogel is it going to take what we have instantly turn them into playoff contenders. Sorry he did it while having an elite player on his team that's a huge difference between what Scott Skiles has had and what he had in Orlando. Hennigan needs to add elite players to this team that is the bottom line Frank Vogel is not going to change much.


Two things..

1) You're right we're not in a vaccum. Don't you think there is a reason Vogel coached a perennial playoff team with an elite player on it while Skiles was relegated to coaching rebuilding teams and getting fired shortly after squeaking into the playoffs or quitting when it got rough?

2) Who was Vogel's elite player on the 2011-2012 (42-24) pacers and 2012-2013 pacers (49-32)?

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