Is Klay Thompson overrated?

[and1GS]

I'm very proud of the way Klay performed with Steph out. for about a month or two he reverted back into his stationary spot up shooter role; stopped driving and stopped pump faking. Now he consistently uses his pump fake and side step to get wide open 3s. He's got the confidence for it, I think he mentally just gets in a rut.

[Phase 3]

There's not another shooting guard I would take over him for this team.

[jamesnamida]

Are you serious?

Offensively, Reggie has been perennially the #1 option on his team. Klay has been the #1 option for 1.5 playoff series. Klay's best shooting season is .597 ts%. Of Reggie's 18 seasons, 14 of them is better than or equal to .597 ts%.

If that is "on par" I think the dictionary needs to change what "on par" means.

Defensively, Miller is no slouch either. He was always the primary defender against Jordan. While I think Klay can hold his own on-ball against Jordan, I don't see where "much better defensively" from.

I mean, Klay is great, but it is ridiculous to say he is better than Reggie.

I think Klay is one of the best defenders in the league one on one. He gets the toughest perimeter assignment, Reggie played more position defense, Klay plays PGs, SGs and SFs. I have seen Reggie play and yes he played against Jordan, but I can't recall where Reggie was specially assigned to shut anyone down. I think we all want to discredit our guys in favor of the stars from the past. I have seen many a Reggie game and I love Reggie Miller, one of my favorites, but he wasn't the guy who was called on to shut guys down. Even Iguodala has commented about how good defensively Klay is and the tough assignments he draws.

Yes, Miller was the #1 offensive option on the Pacers and he would run through screens all day long to get his shot off. Some of the greatest performances of all time he owns.

So I think Klay is right there with Reggie on the offensive end and even if he is a notch below, he is clearly a better defender than Reggie.

Agree mostly with everything but just can't get my head over the bold part.

When Klay's absolutely BEST shooting season is something Miller did 14 of his 18 seasons, and that is with Klay playing most of his minutes with Steph, the difference is more like NBA vs high school, much more than a notch below, or "on par", or something like that.

I am as much of a homer as anyone, but I still realize how much better Reggie is offensively than Klay, while holding his own defensively against an era of great SGs like Jordan and Clyde.

im projecting klay to surpass reggie as he continues his prime. reggie clearly has the better inside game and as a number 1 option shoots twice as many fts as klay therefore increasing TS, but klay will probably go down as the 2nd best shooter of all time if he keeps it up, imo he is already a better 3 point shooter than miller. Klay has to improve his driving and midrange even more (though he has been this season).
its not like reggie was doing it alone with those pacer teams, he was always more of a system/team star player like klay with other players contributing greatly. This is why i dont think klay's efficiency would go down much is he is the number 1 option on this warriors team ( provided curry is replaced by a decent pg). in terms of team success, i dont see why klay (playing a whole career) on those pacers teams couldn't have been 1st round knockouts, with a ecf cameo or two. though much can be said on how playing/practicing with curry has influenced klay.
sure reggie by far has a better career and consistant play/ efficiency. but im just saying klay will go down as the better player when he is almost done with his prime either way ( if he was a number 1 option on this warriors team, or in the role he is in now).

[Sam Lowry Jr]

Offensively they are on par, Miller and Klay, but defensively, Klay is much better.

Are you serious?

Offensively, Reggie has been perennially the #1 option on his team. Klay has been the #1 option for 1.5 playoff series. Klay's best shooting season is .597 ts%. Of Reggie's 18 seasons, 14 of them is better than or equal to .597 ts%.

If that is "on par", the dictionary needs to change what "on par" means.

Defensively, Miller is no slouch either. He was always the primary defender against Jordan. While I think Klay can hold his own on-ball against Jordan, I don't see where "much better defensively" from.

Klay is great, but it is ridiculous to say he is better than Reggie.

Not sure if it's fair to compare Reggie and Klay on offense based on TS%. Reggie was a primary scorer for the Pacers who got to the line twice as much as Klay. This helps his TS% immensely, which factors in FTs. Klay on the other hand, was primarily counted on to be a spot up, second option.

If you look at their eFG%, which doesn't factor in FTs, they are neck and neck. Reggie was much better inside the arc, but Klay shot much better than Reggie on more attempts from beyond the arc. I would say Klay and Reggie compare favorably offensively at this point in their careers.

We don't know what Klay's numbers would look like if he was the primary scorer. I mean, would you expect KD to average 28+ ppg with Klay and Steph? My guess is he would average 19-22 ppg on such a team.

[likashing]

Offensively they are on par, Miller and Klay, but defensively, Klay is much better.

Are you serious?

Offensively, Reggie has been perennially the #1 option on his team. Klay has been the #1 option for 1.5 playoff series. Klay's best shooting season is .597 ts%. Of Reggie's 18 seasons, 14 of them is better than or equal to .597 ts%.

If that is "on par", the dictionary needs to change what "on par" means.

Defensively, Miller is no slouch either. He was always the primary defender against Jordan. While I think Klay can hold his own on-ball against Jordan, I don't see where "much better defensively" from.

Klay is great, but it is ridiculous to say he is better than Reggie.

Not sure if it's fair to compare Reggie and Klay on offense based on TS%. Reggie was a primary scorer for the Pacers who got to the line twice as much as Klay. This helps his TS% immensely, which factors in FTs. Klay on the other hand, was primarily counted on to be a spot up, second option.

If you look at their eFG%, which doesn't factor in FTs, they are neck and neck. Reggie was much better inside the arc, but Klay shot much better than Reggie on more attempts from beyond the arc. I would say Klay and Reggie compare favorably offensively at this point in their careers.

We don't know what Klay's numbers would look like if he was the primary scorer. I mean, would you expect KD to average 28+ ppg with Klay and Steph? My guess is he would average 19-22 ppg on such a team.

We know:

2015-16 - Klay ts% without Steph = .577

2014-15 - Klay ts% without Steph = .532

Klay's scoring efficiency without Steph is much better this season, but it is still far behind Reggie.

ts% is the fairest way to compare a scorers' efficiency because it looks at the overall picture. By taking out FT you are trying to take out Klay's biggest weakness so he compares better against others?

Reggie's WORST season (18 seasons total) had a ts% of .574. Klay is .577 BEST season when without Steph. I think this really puts their scoring efficiency in perspective.

Hard pill to swallow. I love Klay, but these are facts.

[bakesale]

he is a better version of reggie miller pretty much.

Klay is great, but please don't go too far ahead of ourselves.

He is because of elite defence.

Klay needs to bring in some more 4th quarter magic though to really be considered better.

[bakesale]

Are you serious?

Offensively, Reggie has been perennially the #1 option on his team. Klay has been the #1 option for 1.5 playoff series. Klay's best shooting season is .597 ts%. Of Reggie's 18 seasons, 14 of them is better than or equal to .597 ts%.

If that is "on par", the dictionary needs to change what "on par" means.

Defensively, Miller is no slouch either. He was always the primary defender against Jordan. While I think Klay can hold his own on-ball against Jordan, I don't see where "much better defensively" from.

Klay is great, but it is ridiculous to say he is better than Reggie.

Not sure if it's fair to compare Reggie and Klay on offense based on TS%. Reggie was a primary scorer for the Pacers who got to the line twice as much as Klay. This helps his TS% immensely, which factors in FTs. Klay on the other hand, was primarily counted on to be a spot up, second option.

If you look at their eFG%, which doesn't factor in FTs, they are neck and neck. Reggie was much better inside the arc, but Klay shot much better than Reggie on more attempts from beyond the arc. I would say Klay and Reggie compare favorably offensively at this point in their careers.

We don't know what Klay's numbers would look like if he was the primary scorer. I mean, would you expect KD to average 28+ ppg with Klay and Steph? My guess is he would average 19-22 ppg on such a team.

We know:

2015-16 - Klay ts% without Steph = .577

2014-15 - Klay ts% without Steph = .532

Klay's scoring efficiency without Steph is much better this season, but it is still far behind Reggie.

ts% is the fairest way to compare a scorers' efficiency because it looks at the overall picture. By taking out FT you are trying to take out Klay's biggest weakness so he compares better against others?

Reggie's WORST season (18 seasons total) had a ts% of .574. Klay is .577 BEST season when without Steph. I think this really puts their scoring efficiency in perspective.

Hard pill to swallow. I love Klay, but these are facts.

You do realise that Klay is just starting to get good and that he's a solid 2 years away from entering his prime.

And yet at this young age he is an already an elite defender. Miller was a solid defender. Not great though.

So what I mean is if Miller put in as much energy into playing defence that Klay does would his shooting efficiency be higher than Klay's still? I doubt it.

[likashing]

Not sure if it's fair to compare Reggie and Klay on offense based on TS%. Reggie was a primary scorer for the Pacers who got to the line twice as much as Klay. This helps his TS% immensely, which factors in FTs. Klay on the other hand, was primarily counted on to be a spot up, second option.

If you look at their eFG%, which doesn't factor in FTs, they are neck and neck. Reggie was much better inside the arc, but Klay shot much better than Reggie on more attempts from beyond the arc. I would say Klay and Reggie compare favorably offensively at this point in their careers.

We don't know what Klay's numbers would look like if he was the primary scorer. I mean, would you expect KD to average 28+ ppg with Klay and Steph? My guess is he would average 19-22 ppg on such a team.

We know:

2015-16 - Klay ts% without Steph = .577

2014-15 - Klay ts% without Steph = .532

Klay's scoring efficiency without Steph is much better this season, but it is still far behind Reggie.

ts% is the fairest way to compare a scorers' efficiency because it looks at the overall picture. By taking out FT you are trying to take out Klay's biggest weakness so he compares better against others?

Reggie's WORST season (18 seasons total) had a ts% of .574. Klay is .577 BEST season when without Steph. I think this really puts their scoring efficiency in perspective.

Hard pill to swallow. I love Klay, but these are facts.

You do realise that Klay is just starting to get good and that he's a solid 2 years away from entering his prime.

And yet at this young age he is an already an elite defender. Miller was a solid defender. Not great though.

So what I mean is if Miller put in as much energy into playing defence that Klay does would his shooting efficiency be higher than Klay's still? I doubt it.

Klay definitely can improve. That's the future. He has a chance.

But the original claim was he is already as good offensively as Reggie. Just trying to point out it is heaven and earth for current Klay.

When your best efficiency season 5 years in the league, only matches Reggie's worst efficiency season over 18 seasons, that says everything. Those 18 seasons include rookie and old ass seasons, and your best so far is only comparable to his worst? That's perspective.

You can also look compare their defensive rating. It's not that far off according to basketball reference.

One can argue that Klay has Draymond and Bogut behind him defensively, and Iguodala to wear down the bigger guards for him.

Miller gets Jordan 4 times a season and also in the playoffs. He had Rik Smits behind him? Best help are the 2 Davises. But Mark Jackson was no help for Reggie defensively.

[bakesale]

Klay definitely can improve. That's the future. He has a chance.

But the original claim was he is already as good offensively as Reggie. Just trying to point out it is heaven and earth for current Klay.

When your best efficiency season 5 years in the league, only matches Reggie's worst efficiency season over 18 seasons, that says everything. Those 18 seasons include rookie and old ass seasons, and your best so far is only comparable to his worst? That's perspective.

You can also look compare their defensive rating. It's not that far off according to basketball reference.

One can argue that Klay has Draymond and Bogut behind him defensively, and Iguodala to wear down the bigger guards for him.

Miller gets Jordan 4 times a season and also in the playoffs. He had Rik Smits behind him? Best help are the 2 Davises. But Mark Jackson was no help for Reggie defensively.

Klay played elite defence vs Lillard. Lillard was barely 35% from the field. Miller never had a defensive performance like that. And it's not as though Klay filters the offensive player into the back up. He stays with his man step for step all the way.

Miller had to guard Jordan because if any of those big slow guys tried guarding him or better yet if Mark Jackson tried guarding him, Jordan would score 40ppg on their asses.

[likashing]

Klay played elite defence vs Lillard. Lillard was barely 35% from the field. Miller never had a defensive performance like that.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199805310CHI.html

Game 7. Jordan 9/25 36%.

[azwfan]

Klay played elite defence vs Lillard. Lillard was barely 35% from the field. Miller never had a defensive performance like that.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199805310CHI.html

Game 7. Jordan 9/25 36%.

My god, check out game 6. We would (and have) kill (ed) Klay for performances like that.

[likashing]

Klay played elite defence vs Lillard. Lillard was barely 35% from the field. Miller never had a defensive performance like that.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199805310CHI.html

Game 7. Jordan 9/25 36%.

My god, check out game 6. We would (and have) kill (ed) Klay for performances like that.

Was just replying to bakesale that Reggie never had great defensive performance. He used Dame as an example. I used MJ in a game 7 against the 3-peat Bulls. My bad.

Maybe you will, but I wouldn't kill Klay if he was leading my team and taking the 3-peat 98 Bulls to 7 games.

[kaiballz]

when 2 of our top 3 players are getting compared to guys like MJ and reggie, you know we got something seriously special

[azwfan]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199805310CHI.html

Game 7. Jordan 9/25 36%.

My god, check out game 6. We would (and have) kill (ed) Klay for performances like that.

Was just replying to bakesale that Reggie never had great defensive performance. He used Dame as an example. I used MJ in a game 7 against the 3-peat Bulls. My bad.

Maybe you will, but I wouldn't kill Klay if he was leading my team and taking the 3-peat 98 Bulls to 7 games.

And i was just pointing out that the game before he got destroyed. 2-13 fg and giving up 35 pts on the other end. Thats a pretty bad game. You can spin anyway you want... he got wrecked in his matchup and Indy still won. Miller wasn't exactly carrying the Pacers. They had a really good team. Rik Smits was huge in that series as well.

[azwfan]

when 2 of our top 3 players are getting compared to guys like MJ and reggie, you know we got something seriously special

Not to mention Draymond and the old farts (Iguodala, Bogut, Livingston).

[likashing]

My god, check out game 6. We would (and have) kill (ed) Klay for performances like that.

Was just replying to bakesale that Reggie never had great defensive performance. He used Dame as an example. I used MJ in a game 7 against the 3-peat Bulls. My bad.

Maybe you will, but I wouldn't kill Klay if he was leading my team and taking the 3-peat 98 Bulls to 7 games.

And i was just pointing out that the game before he got destroyed. 2-13 fg and giving up 35 pts on the other end. Thats a pretty bad game. You can spin anyway you want... he got wrecked in his matchup and Indy still won. Miller wasn't exactly carrying the Pacers. They had a really good team. Rik Smits was huge in that series as well.

Talk about spinning.

Someone says Klay is "on par" with Reggie offensively and shown wrong.

Then switch argument talk about Klay is "on track" to be as good offensively. Then shown how heaven to earth far he is behind.

Then switch to how Klay's defense is way better and shown their defensive rating are not that far off.

Then switch to his work on Dame and Reggie never had a great defensive performance, and shown Reggie had a pretty good one on MJ in a game 7 against the 3-peat Bulls.

Then you picked a game 6 where he did not do well. Like Klay never got killed defensively in his life.

Talk about spinning.

I am so dizzy from you guys' spinning it to something else and repeatedly shown wrong.

Ya Klay is already ahead of Reggie offensively and defensively and all-time overall. There. Have a good day.

[old rem]

when 2 of our top 3 players are getting compared to guys like MJ and reggie, you know we got something seriously special

Right. That DOES say a whole lot. Rather than just " real good" we're seeing HISTORIC. Records broken so often..I lost count.

How is he RATED? Until that's a consensus it's hard to say Over or Under. Hard to guess the FUTURE. Will he be HOF? Has he already peaked? He IS an All Star. He is probably the best 3 shooter NOT named Steph. His D is reliable. I'd say he is not
Over-rated. Can't yet say if he may be under-rated. The rest of these playoffs may adjust that .

[azwfan]

Was just replying to bakesale that Reggie never had great defensive performance. He used Dame as an example. I used MJ in a game 7 against the 3-peat Bulls. My bad.

Maybe you will, but I wouldn't kill Klay if he was leading my team and taking the 3-peat 98 Bulls to 7 games.

And i was just pointing out that the game before he got destroyed. 2-13 fg and giving up 35 pts on the other end. Thats a pretty bad game. You can spin anyway you want... he got wrecked in his matchup and Indy still won. Miller wasn't exactly carrying the Pacers. They had a really good team. Rik Smits was huge in that series as well.

Talk about spinning.

Someone says Klay is "on par" with Reggie offensively and shown wrong.

Then switch argument talk about Klay is "on track" to be as good offensively. Then shown how heaven to earth far he is behind.

Then switch to how Klay's defense is way better and shown their defensive rating are not that far off.

Then switch to his work on Dame and Reggie never had a great defensive performance, and shown Reggie had a pretty good one on MJ in a game 7 against the 3-peat Bulls.

Then you picked a game 6 where he did not do well. Like Klay never got killed defensively in his life.

Talk about spinning.

I am so dizzy from you guys' spinning it to something else and repeatedly shown wrong.

Ya Klay is already ahead of Reggie offensively and defensively and all-time overall. There. Have a good day.

Not sure who you are arguing with. I didn't say anything about Klay being better or worse than Reggie. You posted a link to a game where Reggie did really well against the GOAT and i was impressed so i looked at the rest of the series... and the first game i checked was game 6. I was ONLY pointing out that Reggie got murdered (as Klay has before and i also mentioned in the same post) in the game 6. Said nothing about Klay being better or worse than Reggie. You are reading way too much into my comments. Not everything on here has to be about proving a point or being the better Internet arguer. Just pointed out how Reggie got destroyed the game before (i mean he was facing Michael freaking Jordan - one would expect that to happen now and then).

[Sam Lowry Jr]

Are you serious?

Offensively, Reggie has been perennially the #1 option on his team. Klay has been the #1 option for 1.5 playoff series. Klay's best shooting season is .597 ts%. Of Reggie's 18 seasons, 14 of them is better than or equal to .597 ts%.

If that is "on par", the dictionary needs to change what "on par" means.

Defensively, Miller is no slouch either. He was always the primary defender against Jordan. While I think Klay can hold his own on-ball against Jordan, I don't see where "much better defensively" from.

Klay is great, but it is ridiculous to say he is better than Reggie.

Not sure if it's fair to compare Reggie and Klay on offense based on TS%. Reggie was a primary scorer for the Pacers who got to the line twice as much as Klay. This helps his TS% immensely, which factors in FTs. Klay on the other hand, was primarily counted on to be a spot up, second option.

If you look at their eFG%, which doesn't factor in FTs, they are neck and neck. Reggie was much better inside the arc, but Klay shot much better than Reggie on more attempts from beyond the arc. I would say Klay and Reggie compare favorably offensively at this point in their careers.

We don't know what Klay's numbers would look like if he was the primary scorer. I mean, would you expect KD to average 28+ ppg with Klay and Steph? My guess is he would average 19-22 ppg on such a team.

We know:

2015-16 - Klay ts% without Steph = .577

2014-15 - Klay ts% without Steph = .532

Klay's scoring efficiency without Steph is much better this season, but it is still far behind Reggie.

ts% is the fairest way to compare a scorers' efficiency because it looks at the overall picture. By taking out FT you are trying to take out Klay's biggest weakness so he compares better against others?

Reggie's WORST season (18 seasons total) had a ts% of .574. Klay is .577 BEST season when without Steph. I think this really puts their scoring efficiency in perspective.

Hard pill to swallow. I love Klay, but these are facts.

What are you using to calculate Klay's ts% above? Are these his ts% percentages with Steph off the court? Games where Klay played but Steph sat? Regular season and post season combined or just regular season?

[likashing]

Not sure if it's fair to compare Reggie and Klay on offense based on TS%. Reggie was a primary scorer for the Pacers who got to the line twice as much as Klay. This helps his TS% immensely, which factors in FTs. Klay on the other hand, was primarily counted on to be a spot up, second option.

If you look at their eFG%, which doesn't factor in FTs, they are neck and neck. Reggie was much better inside the arc, but Klay shot much better than Reggie on more attempts from beyond the arc. I would say Klay and Reggie compare favorably offensively at this point in their careers.

We don't know what Klay's numbers would look like if he was the primary scorer. I mean, would you expect KD to average 28+ ppg with Klay and Steph? My guess is he would average 19-22 ppg on such a team.

We know:

2015-16 - Klay ts% without Steph = .577

2014-15 - Klay ts% without Steph = .532

Klay's scoring efficiency without Steph is much better this season, but it is still far behind Reggie.

ts% is the fairest way to compare a scorers' efficiency because it looks at the overall picture. By taking out FT you are trying to take out Klay's biggest weakness so he compares better against others?

Reggie's WORST season (18 seasons total) had a ts% of .574. Klay is .577 BEST season when without Steph. I think this really puts their scoring efficiency in perspective.

Hard pill to swallow. I love Klay, but these are facts.

What are you using to calculate Klay's ts% above? Are these his ts% percentages with Steph off the court? Games where Klay played but Steph sat? Regular season and post season combined or just regular season?

Nbawowy with Klay on court and Steph off.

Klay is great this playoffs this year at .600 ts%+++ without Steph. This is why we are in th WCF now.

He has really grown this season.