Greatest raptor ever Kyle Lowry

dj-Sequence · Post #21 » by **dj-Sequence** » Mon May 16, 2016 2:49 am

He carried this team to this win... He killed runs played great defence and shot a a great clip! Best single playoff game performance in Raptors History!

Mascot · Post #22 » by **Mascot** » Mon May 16, 2016 2:55 am

LLJ wrote:Someone needs to stitch together a collection of Pat Riley reactions this series.

- game 7

smallgains · Post #23 » by **smallgains** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:16 am

He is the greatest Raptor ever. No doubt.

rarefind · Post #24 » by **rarefind** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:57 am

Undoubtedly

SuigintouEV · Post #25 » by **SuigintouEV** » Mon May 16, 2016 3:57 am

dj-Sequence wrote:He carried this team to this win... He killed runs played great defence and shot a a great clip! Best single playoff game performance in Raptors History!

Walt Frazier who?

Kabookalu · Post #26 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon May 16, 2016 4:45 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PfDAkqsw7I[/youtube]

Greatest Raptor of all time.

KL78192020 · Post #27 » by **KL78192020** » Mon May 16, 2016 4:47 am

So what happens with Lowry next year when he opts out. Is Masai going to max out a 32 year old Lowry?

RaptorNews · Post #28 » by **RaptorNews** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:11 am

Today was the kind of performance that gets your jersey in the rafters

Macho · Post #29 » by **Macho** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:12 am

Vince and Bosh had more talent but Kyle is the best player to ever play for our franchise. If Vince gets his jersey retired how can Kyle not?

Vince_Carter15 · Post #30 » by **Vince_Carter15** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:17 am

Macho wrote:Vince and Bosh had more talent but Kyle is the best player to ever play for our franchise. If Vince gets his jersey retired how can Kyle not?

His overall impact, his leadership, so many things. We go as far as Kyle Lowry goes and Demar somewhat too. But as players, they will grow so much mentally, carrying a team to an eastern conference final. Proud of these boys.

mobifree · Post #31 » by **mobifree** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:30 am

As great as Lowry has been, don't discredit what VC did.

He had much tougher competition than Lowry does in the current NBA.

Like T-Mac said, the NBA is watered down now.

Randle McMurphy · Post #32 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:31 am

It's still Vince Carter for now (although not by much and that will likely change soon enough), but perhaps Lowry will start getting some respect for how great a player he's been over the past 3 years. The Raptors would be nothing much without him.

lolwut · Post #33 » by **lolwut** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:41 am

Macho wrote:Vince and Bosh had more talent but Kyle is the best player to ever play for our franchise. If Vince gets his jersey retired how can Kyle not?

I don't think you giving Bosh enough credit here. He wasn't nearly as talented as VC. Like DD, Bosh came into the league as a skinny, raw 19 year old, and he only got to where he is today through hard work.

With that said, though, Lowry is easily the best Raptor of all time at this point.

SuigintouEV · Post #34 » by **SuigintouEV** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:43 am

mobifree wrote:As great as Lowry has been, don't discredit what VC did.

He had much tougher competition than Lowry does in the current NBA.

Like T-Mac said, the NBA is watered down now.

Please, let's not glorify the past.
The best player on the 2001 Knicks was Latrell Sprewell, who was so inefficient he had a TS% of .497.
Iverson wasn't much better, at .518% TS.

Vince played in an era where DeMar DeRozan and his .550 would be considered elite level of efficiency. Defensively you could get away with crappy man defense because the team behind you could get away with overhelping because barely anybody could truly punish you from range other than stars like Peja, Reggie, and RayRay. You think the East is bad now? This brick bros Raps team would have swept the 2001 Sixers. Swept.

Vince was a very good player relative to his era. But the talent pool in the NBA was at an all time low in that post-expansation, pre-Euro era. Vince did not play against much tougher competition.

Kabookalu · Post #35 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:47 am

mobifree wrote:As great as Lowry has been, don't discredit what VC did.

He had much tougher competition than Lowry does in the current NBA.

Like T-Mac said, the NBA is watered down now.

T-Mac is wrong. I've been watching the NBA for a long time and this is the most talent the league has ever seen in one year since probably the 80's. In any other year Russell Westbrook is the best player in the league. In any other year Kevin Durant is the best player in the league. Neither are the best player in the league right now. DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis, two incredible big men talents, aren't even top 5 players. Damien Lillard, an incredible point guard, is at best only a top 3 point guard. Kawhi Leonard is the best perimeter defender of all time and he's still growing. Karl Anthony Towns is the best rookie we've seen in a while and he's bound to become a superstar. John Wall, Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, we have so many stars in this league that are being overlooked.

vaff87 · Post #36 » by **vaff87** » Mon May 16, 2016 5:52 am

mobifree wrote:As great as Lowry has been, don't discredit what VC did.

He had much tougher competition than Lowry does in the current NBA.

Like T-Mac said, the NBA is watered down now.

The East is a lot better now than it was in 2001.

Rhyno · Post #37 » by **Rhyno** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:14 am

Choker wrote:
mobifree wrote:As great as Lowry has been, don't discredit what VC did.

He had much tougher competition than Lowry does in the current NBA.

Like T-Mac said, the NBA is watered down now.

T-Mac is wrong. I've been watching the NBA for a long time and this is the most talent the league has ever seen in one year since probably the 80's. In any other year Russell Westbrook is the best player in the league. In any other year Kevin Durant is the best player in the league. Neither are the best player in the league right now. DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis, two incredible big men talents, aren't even top 5 players. Damien Lillard, an incredible point guard, is at best only a top 3 point guard. Kawhi Leonard is the best perimeter defender of all time and he's still growing. Karl Anthony Towns is the best rookie we've seen in a while and he's bound to become a superstar. John Wall, Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, we have so many stars in this league that are being overlooked.

Really?

2000-01 year of Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, KG, AI, Carter, J-Kidd etc. easily kills and destroys 2015-16 Curry, LeBron, Westbrook, Durant, CP3 and its not even close. I'm not going to even mention how the 90's talent of MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone etc. also put the current pool of watered down talent to shame as well. T-Mac may be a douche, but he's damn right on this point and how today's generation have lowered the bar on what "greatness" is.

Kabookalu · Post #38 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:19 am

Rhyno wrote:
Choker wrote:
mobifree wrote:As great as Lowry has been, don't discredit what VC did.

He had much tougher competition than Lowry does in the current NBA.

Like T-Mac said, the NBA is watered down now.

T-Mac is wrong. I've been watching the NBA for a long time and this is the most talent the league has ever seen in one year since probably the 80's. In any other year Russell Westbrook is the best player in the league. In any other year Kevin Durant is the best player in the league. Neither are the best player in the league right now. DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis, two incredible big men talents, aren't even top 5 players. Damien Lillard, an incredible point guard, is at best only a top 3 point guard. Kawhi Leonard is the best perimeter defender of all time and he's still growing. Karl Anthony Towns is the best rookie we've seen in a while and he's bound to become a superstar. John Wall, Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, we have so many stars in this league that are being overlooked.

Really?

2000-01 year of Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, KG, AI, Carter, J-Kidd etc. easily kills and destroys 2015-16 Curry, LeBron, Westbrook, Durant, CP3 and its not even close. I'm not going to even mention how the 90's talent of MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone etc. also put the current pool of watered down talent to shame as well. T-Mac may be a douche, but he's damn right on this point and how today's generation have lowered the bar on what "greatness" is.

lol no, just no. Iverson and Kidd wouldn't be top 5 players today. You can make the argument the top 5 of those eras are better than the top 5 of this years (wouldn't agree with it though), but from 6-20, this is the most talented I've ever seen the league.

SuigintouEV · Post #39 » by **SuigintouEV** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:24 am

Rhyno wrote:2000-01 year of Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, KG, AI, Carter, J-Kidd etc. easily kills and destroys 2015-16 Curry, LeBron, Westbrook, Durant, CP3 and its not even close. I'm not going to even mention how the 90's talent of MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone etc. also put the current pool of watered down talent to shame as well. T-Mac may be a douche, but he's damn right on this point and how today's generation have lowered the bar on what "greatness" is.

Please.

Curry > Anyone in 2001
Duncan = Anthony Davis
Shaq = Lebron
Durant > Kobe
Wesbtrook > Kidd (Kidd had elite court vision and D, but RW has everything else.)
CP3 > Any point guard in that era, and arguably most eras

Does every era have a handful of future Hall of Famers?? Absolutely. But again, let's not glorify past eras. KG is probably my favorite basketball player of all time, literally the guy I would combine with Dirk, Hakeem, and Wade for the perfect basketball player.

And yet here we live in an era where Karl Anthony Towns could be exactly that perfect player. And we're blessed to have Kyle Lowry play for our team and be a relevant elite point guard in the single deepest era of point guard play ever (I call it the Post-Nash-Era).

Rhyno · Post #40 » by **Rhyno** » Mon May 16, 2016 6:32 am

Choker wrote:
Rhyno wrote:
Choker wrote:
T-Mac is wrong. I've been watching the NBA for a long time and this is the most talent the league has ever seen in one year since probably the 80's. In any other year Russell Westbrook is the best player in the league. In any other year Kevin Durant is the best player in the league. Neither are the best player in the league right now. DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis, two incredible big men talents, aren't even top 5 players. Damien Lillard, an incredible point guard, is at best only a top 3 point guard. Kawhi Leonard is the best perimeter defender of all time and he's still growing. Karl Anthony Towns is the best rookie we've seen in a while and he's bound to become a superstar. John Wall, Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, we have so many stars in this league that are being overlooked.

Really?

2000-01 year of Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, KG, AI, Carter, J-Kidd etc. easily kills and destroys 2015-16 Curry, LeBron, Westbrook, Durant, CP3 and its not even close. I'm not going to even mention how the 90's talent of MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone etc. also put the current pool of watered down talent to shame as well. T-Mac may be a douche, but he's damn right on this point and how today's generation have lowered the bar on what "greatness" is.

lol no, just no. Iverson and Kidd wouldn't be top 5 players today. You can make the argument the top 5 of those eras are better than the top 5 of this years (wouldn't agree with it though), but from 6-20, this is the most talented I've ever seen the league.

Westbrook over AI? That's pretty laughable.

I'd also like to remind you that AI won his MVP in an era when Shaq, Duncan etc. were in their respective primes. If you think Westbrook could have achieved that than a) he'd have a damn MVP already and b) you're telling me prime Curry > prime Shaq/Duncan. I can't take you seriously.