The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many

[brackdan70]

3 for Favors, max Whiteside, Crowder/Bradley for Barnes.. Then bank on offensive growth from Favors, Olynyk, Barnes, Smart with more touches..

Barnes?....BARNES---?....Barnes sucks...Crowder and Bradley are both better...Why on earth would we trade both of them for Barnes--?

I don't mind offering Barnes good money and seeing if GS matches, but I would not do a sign and trade, and particularly not give up any of crowder, bradley, smart, thomas for him.

[Avalanche]

3 for Favors, max Whiteside, Crowder/Bradley for Barnes.. Then bank on offensive growth from Favors, Olynyk, Barnes, Smart with more touches..

The third part would be a disaster.. but the first 2 I could get behind

Thomas/Bradley/Crowder/Favors/Whiteside .. no team would enjoy playing that

[Parliament10]

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[Captain_Caveman]

3 for Favors, max Whiteside, Crowder/Bradley for Barnes.. Then bank on offensive growth from Favors, Olynyk, Barnes, Smart with more touches..

I just threw up in my mouth.

Start with the fact that Crowder and Bradley are both at least twice as good as Barnes.

[Froob]

3 for Favors, max Whiteside, Crowder/Bradley for Barnes.. Then bank on offensive growth from Favors, Olynyk, Barnes, Smart with more touches..

I just threw up in my mouth.

Start with the fact that Crowder and Bradley are both at least twice as good as Barnes.

Barnes is Jeff Green with a better 3 pt. Very gross trade indeed. Crowder and Bradley are super valuable on their contracts, especially Crowder on the books for four years. Would be super hard for me to give up Crowder due that excellent value.

[Captain_Caveman]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/harrison-barnes-2016-extension-free-agent/

From September, Zach Lowe has a detailed analysis of Barnes' game circa 2014-15.

Barnes just hasn’t looked comfortable driving with the ball, and he knows it. He gets tunnel vision, forcing up shots when easy passes are available. He doesn’t have the fluid change of pace the best ball handlers use to prod defenses open. He sometimes spooks at the first sight of a help defender, as if he’s afraid to make mistakes. He doesn’t appear to feel the game. What happens when defenses trap him against the pick-and-roll? Or go under picks, daring him to can off-the-dribble 3s?

That bit sounds so much like Avery Bradley before he got force fed reps.. And if there's a coach who can use Barnes right, get him playing right, and slowly give him more responsibilities, it's Stevens.

Just something to keep in mind.. Most likely Barnes signs a max offer sheet somewhere else (Indiana is one rumor) and GS decides whether to pay him.

Barnes is not even a top 5 player on his own team, and not a top 20 SF in the league.

He will get maxed from some dumb team like the Nets, but yuck.

[Captain_Caveman]

3 for Favors, max Whiteside, Crowder/Bradley for Barnes.. Then bank on offensive growth from Favors, Olynyk, Barnes, Smart with more touches..

I just threw up in my mouth.

Start with the fact that Crowder and Bradley are both at least twice as good as Barnes.

Barnes is Jeff Green with a better 3 pt. Very gross trade indeed. Crowder and Bradley are super valuable on their contracts, especially Crowder on the books for four years. Would be super hard for me to give up Crowder due that excellent value.

Barnes might get there someday, but Jeff Green is a better basketball player.

Green is a guy who has rarely had an ideal role. He has often played out of position and moved around to several teams and had his role changed often.

Barnes has the easiest role of any player in the league. Plays on a team with the best spacing in history, and gets the easiest assignments on both ends. Gets more wide open 3s than any other player in the league. Also has Iguodala to come off the bench any time he starts floundering.

[Froob]

I just threw up in my mouth.

Start with the fact that Crowder and Bradley are both at least twice as good as Barnes.

Barnes is Jeff Green with a better 3 pt. Very gross trade indeed. Crowder and Bradley are super valuable on their contracts, especially Crowder on the books for four years. Would be super hard for me to give up Crowder due that excellent value.

Barnes might get there someday, but Jeff Green is a better basketball player.

Green is a guy who has rarely had an ideal role. He has often played out of position and moved around to several teams and had his role changed often.

Barnes has the easiest role of any player in the league. Plays on a team with the best spacing in history, and gets the easiest assignments on both ends. Gets more wide open 3s than any other player in the league. Also has Iguodala to come off the bench any time he starts floundering.

Eh, Green has had his days but, even when he had his best stretch in 2014 avg around 19 ppg he clearly didn't impact winning much when Cs dumped him and got better. Barnes definitely is in a perfect role, solid role player but you are big time ****ed if he's one of your best players. Don't think it'll be that hard for Dubs to replace him.

[ConstableGeneva]

Crossing my fingers that Jazz are open to shaking up their core and are willing to deal Favors and/or Hayward. I just feel none of the guys previously rumored will be dealt (Butler, Boogie, Blake, Love) either because the price the teams set is way too high or they don't feel the urgency to deal said players yet. If there's a trade involving the 3rd pick, the incoming player will come out of left field. Just gut feel, no other basis for this whatsoever.

[FlatearthZorro]

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The celtics really need to be firm in not allowing Olynyk to do this ****.. He freaking sat through the **** playoffs... He needs to set his priorities straight. **** sissy. I'm getting tired of him.

[FlatearthZorro]

Crossing my fingers that Jazz are open to shaking up their core and are willing to deal Favors and/or Hayward. I just feel none of the guys previously rumored will be dealt (Butler, Boogie, Blake, Love) either because the price the teams set is way too high or they don't feel the urgency to deal said players yet. If there's a trade involving the 3rd pick, the incoming player will come out of left field. Just gut feel, no other basis for this whatsoever.

I think the Jazz might trade 1 of Favors or the french kid Gobert. Hayward will stay for another goal and if they can improve the team and at least make the playoffs, they might look to trade him, cause it will be the last year of his contract.

I don't really see them trading hayward now.

[MarszalA]

Dealing with Philly should be the obvious thing to do. Give them #3 and take Okafor back (or Noel). They need a small guy and there is a plenty of nice small guys in the draft at #3 to be taken. They will take Simmons/Ingram. Embiid is getting back (or they say he is), they will have Saric as well and the other one from Okafor/Noel. They have a nice player in Grant. So they have for now:
1) Noel PF/C
2) Okafor C
3) Embiid C
4) Landry PF
5) Grant PF
6) Holmes PF
7) Saric PF
and one from Simmons/Ingram with Simmons easily able to play at PF.
Even without him they have 7 guys for PF and C possition. They just do not need one of them. They need 4-5.
The only smart move they have imho to get a nice PG/SG (who they desperately need) is to get out one of bigs. The better player they are willing to give the better player they will get in return. Simple as that.
And everyone knows that they are able to give Noel or Okafor. So let's give them #3. I prefer Okafor (longer contract:)).

[Murta]

The way I see it, BOS and PHI are not that excellent trading partners from Philly's perspective unless they want a specific guard and they're certain he won't be available lower. Why would Philly trade Okafor for #3, when they could trade for #5 or #6 and get Murray, Hield or Dunn at the lower spot?
Trading for lower spot means they have to give up less value. I'd think Noel for #5 which Minny has is a better deal for Philly than Okafor for #3 if the same tier of players is going to be available. And they're going to be: Ingram, Simmons, Bender, Murray, Hield, Dunn is 6 players and Bender almost certainly won't be the last drafted.

Especially if Boston picks Bender, than Phoenix and Philly become natural trading partners: Suns can pick from remaining players which are all PG/SG/SF, they have (Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Warren), they need PF/C, Phlly needs PG/SG and have a load of PF/C.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jesus, 5 for Noel and Minny is building a GOAT team...

Jazz aren't dealing Gobert. I love low-probability trade ideas, but his defensive stats are so good, they're not moving him unless it's for someone like Anthony Davis.

They'd deal Hayward to trade up in the draft. Maybe Favors. And I love the idea of 3 for Favors/12, but that's a huge risk for us, realistically. Gotta hope he's healthy and can blow up with a different offense and more usage.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Why not just draft Bender,
sign Gasol to a reasonable 3-year deal to be his mentor,
spend a bit more than reasonable money on Rino to provide the missing shooting,
wait to see how M. Gasol is progressing, if he's doing well, trade for him?

[KumaJG]

All I want this offseason is to see how young players improve. Especially Young, Smart and KO.

[ddb]

All I want this offseason is to see how young players improve. Especially Young, Smart and KO.

Haha people still talking about KO like there's more upside. What you see is what you get with KO. He is forever going to be a stretch 4/5 that plays zero defense. He is a 3rd or 4th big at best

[SmartWentCrazy]

The way I see it, BOS and PHI are not that excellent trading partners from Philly's perspective unless they want a specific guard and they're certain he won't be available lower. Why would Philly trade Okafor for #3, when they could trade for #5 or #6 and get Murray, Hield or Dunn at the lower spot?
Trading for lower spot means they have to give up less value. I'd think Noel for #5 which Minny has is a better deal for Philly than Okafor for #3 if the same tier of players is going to be available. And they're going to be: Ingram, Simmons, Bender, Murray, Hield, Dunn is 6 players and Bender almost certainly won't be the last drafted.

Especially if Boston picks Bender, than Phoenix and Philly become natural trading partners: Suns can pick from remaining players which are all PG/SG/SF, they have (Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Warren), they need PF/C, Phlly needs PG/SG and have a load of PF/C.

Who's to say the guy they want drops to 5? What if we take Murray, and SAC trades up with Phoenix for Dunn? What if we trade #3 for WCS (and they take Dunn) and Phoenix takes Murray? Why would Minnesota add another Center when they look to have the next great center? Phoenix has Len and Chandler, they're not going to add another center.

There are so many what-ifs-- if Philly is targeting a player, it makes perfect sense to trade for #3. Why cross your fingers for an outcome when you can just make it happen? BC has never been the guy to squeeze for extra value-- if he wants something, he'll get him. They need a PG, we need a guard. This trade makes too much sense not to happen.

[Drax]

Just to go away from the #3 trade scenarios and the KD pipedream, how would you guys feel if we use one of the later firsts along with a pair of second rounders for Kenneth Faried? For example i was thinking Jerebko nong. contract plus 23, 35 and 53 for Faried? We use a little capspace plus some unwanted roster spots to get a solid frontcourt contributer for 30 minutes a game? Faried has his flaws i know, but i think his motor and energy is something we could use up front.

[sHpar]

If Danny doesn't want such a young player like Bender and if he really likes Okafor I'd like something like this to happen:

BOS trades: #3, #16
BOS receives: Jahlil Okafor, #13

PHI trades: Jahlil Okafor
PHI receives: #4, #16

PHO trades: #4, #13
PHO receives: #3

Phoenix probably wants Bender, they don't need more guards because they already have Bledsoe, Knight and Booker so they trade for #3 to get Bender. If they don't do that, Danny drafts Bender because we don't need guards either.

Philadelphia wants a point guard and they draft Dunn at #4 and pick up an another asset in #16.

Boston gets their big guy and also pick up #13. We could then move up using #13, #23, James Young/Terry Rozier/RJ Hunter and second rounders. That could get us somewher between 8-10. One of Labissiere, Criss or Poeltl will be available so Danny gets his project big man.