Spurs Off-season moves/ideas discussion

[The_Didact_117]

I'm not giving up on our team just yet but this series has shown us the Spurs, while they are definitely an elite team, have some obvious holes they need to fix going forward. The good news is, Spurs have some money to spend this summer and can free up some more by making a couple small moves. We all obviously would love Durant, but aside from him, what realistic options could be had for SA next season?

I like a lot of Atlanta's players and they remind me of the Spurs but don't have anyone as good as LMA or Kawhi. Bazemore and Horford are free agents I would like the Spurs to look at. Spurs also need to upgrade their PG position and get a starting C and add some size to the bench.

So, what would you like to see happen in the offseason? Players I would really like the Spurs to target are P. Gasol, Noah, D-Mo, Ezeli, and Howard to a lesser extent as C options. There are a lot of solid players available and the Spurs don't need a massive overhaul.

[Cactus Jack]

Just say No to Howard. He may seem like a fit on paper, but the dude is pure cancer. I honestly couldn't root for this team, if he was on it. Durant is the pipe dream scenario obviously.

[Nolan]

I've been on the Batum boat for a while and I don't plan on getting off it anytime soon.

Guard has been a major weakness for us this year, Green's useless inside of the three point line and Tony's just not the player he used to be. Yes an upgrade at PG would be idea but let's face Tony's not going anywhere and he's not getting demoted any time soon. But signing Batum to start next to Tony and either trading or benching Green makes a ton of sense.

Yes another quality big would be great but Batum would really open things up for us on the offensive, which is where we've really struggled this year. I'd rather try and find another big via the scrap heap, Miles Plumlee would be perfect (I'm guessing the Bucks aren't going to offer him a QO) or Dewayne Dedmon (probably same situation as Plumlee with the QO).

[imagump1313]

I'm on board for Batum. We need someone on the perimeter with size who can shoot, defend and score going to the basket. Green simply cannot score unless he has an uncontested three and struggles at doing that most of the time. Patty mills just doesn't have the size. Danny is just the type of player that is ok in spot minutes but you cannot play him too much or you see the glaring holes in his game. I wouldnt mind keep him around in a limited bench role.
We need someone to replace Timmy and by replace I mean play inside. We cannot replace him obviously but we need an athletic big who can rebound and defend along side LMA and Kwahi. I dont remember if David West signed for more than one year but I say let him go or leave him as a 12th man. He is pretty useless IMO.
I mentioned Gasol earlier this year but I would rather have someone more athletic and younger. I'd have to look at the FA list first I guess.

[BaggageHandler]

1. Sign Pau Gasol or Joakim Noah
2. Resign Boban if you can
3. Bring over Davis Bertans
4. Draft a PG

Parker/Mills/#29
Green/Manu?/Simmons
Kawhi/Anderson/Bertans
Aldridge/Diaw/West?
Gasol/Boban

[Nolan]

I'm on board for Batum. We need someone on the perimeter with size who can shoot, defend and score going to the basket. Green simply cannot score unless he has an uncontested three and struggles at doing that most of the time. Patty mills just doesn't have the size. Danny is just the type of player that is ok in spot minutes but you cannot play him too much or you see the glaring holes in his game. I wouldnt mind keep him around in a limited bench role.
We need someone to replace Timmy and by replace I mean play inside. We cannot replace him obviously but we need an athletic big who can rebound and defend along side LMA and Kwahi. I dont remember if David West signed for more than one year but I say let him go or leave him as a 12th man. He is pretty useless IMO.
I mentioned Gasol earlier this year but I would rather have someone more athletic and younger. I'd have to look at the FA list first I guess.

He'd be great as our first wing off the bench, but yeah until he learns how to dribble he's a liability in our starting lineup.

[-Sammy-]

Whiteside and Conley would do it for me. I'll confess that I don't keep up with the particulars of the salary-cap, the CBA, etc., but I know there's almost no way we could get both of those guys (at least not without finding a way to move Parker and get other teams involved), though.

[alexb618]

green has to go and parker needs a very reduced role

not sure if conley is a good fit but when hes the only good PG out in the market, well i guess it is what it is

if batum or durant are possible of course you would do whatever it takes for either of those guys

[The_Didact_117]

Whiteside and Conley would do it for me. I'll confess that I don't keep up with the particulars of the salary-cap, the CBA, etc., but I know there's almost no way we could get both of those guys (at least not without finding a way to move Parker and get other teams involved), though.

The way I understand it, to free up a max for Durant, Spurs would need to make some smaller moves first. As for Whiteside, I believe his max would start less than KD, so I'm not sure how that would work. But I think a more realistic option would be players like Conley, Gasol, maybe even Batum depending on what the Spurs do with Diaw or Green. Spurs definitely need a C and PG and Gasol would be a decent stop gap for Tim until we can find someone else, for a year or two, and maybe Duncan can come back a season off the bench. Noah might not be bad to take a chance on as he will likely be cheap and plays hard on defense even if he is a shell of himself.

Either way, I'm not a huge Conley fan, but I think the Spurs are a great team that needs some fine tuning at obvious positions, and having Conley/Gasol out there instead of Parker/Diaw and West would have easily put the Spurs over OKC imo. Also, I think Matt Barnes is a free agent and I wouldn't mind him on the bench behind KL.

Here is something I would like to see for next season, which I think isn't completely a pipedream:

P. Gasol/Duncan/Boban
LMA/Anderson
Leonard/Barnes/draft pick
Green/Simmons
Conley/Parker

Spurs would need to sign some cheap vets or prospects to fill out the roster, I also assume Manu will retire but perhaps not Tim and Spurs will be forced to trade Mills/Diaw since they probably should keep Green and no one will likely want Parker nor will they likely trade him for his past achievements with the team, which is fine. But Spurs have been awful at the PG position the last two seasons, that needs to change big time.

[Cycloneon]

How possible does this lineup sound?

Conley/Parker/Mills
Green/Martin/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Noah/West

Playmaking, scoring, defense all around. But how much would Noah ask?

[imagump1313]

How possible does this lineup sound?

Conley/Parker/Mills
Green/Martin/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Noah/West

Playmaking, scoring, defense all around. But how much would Noah ask?

I dont like the Noah/West spot much in this scenario. I love Noah's game and he would be a perfect Spur but He's been hurt for over 2 years. That would scare me off. And West did absolutely nothing for us this year so I wouldn't expect much more than nothing from him. We need an athletic big IMO because rebounding was our downfall this year. Even if Timmy comes back, we would need someone athletic in that position to play meaningful minutes. He wouldnt have to be a huge scorer, just someone we could depend on to get a rebound and play some defense. I'm thinking along the lines of players like Festus Ezeli or Ian Mahinmi. Maybe even a Bismack Biyombo.

Also, If Manu comes back I would say goodbye to Martin. Manu quietly had a really solid season this year and hopefully he comes back.

[Phreak50]

Still on holiday and Japan and catching up on what happened. Yeah we collapsed but OKC deserve more credit.

Anyway, Conley is not the answer. To me he is the most overrated, underrated player in the game. He can't shoot, is slow, not the best playmaker and isn't exactly young and injury free.

Please no Gasol or Noah either.

Lin is the perfect place to start.

During the previous offseason I said a guy like Biyombo would be great and that showed with what we lacked and how he is performing now.

I do think it's time to say goodbye to Mills and probably Green as well. He just puts too much pressure on Kawhi when he isn't hitting and he has been in this league how long? And still can't dribble or handle the ball or make a decent decision under pressure?

Give Simmons solid 6th man minutes and get a new SG to start.

You'd think Boban will develop and get an increased role and minutes.

I also see Duncan staying on as a limited bench minutes man. The guy can still contribute in certain situations and even in a Bonner role would help the team chemistry and spirit.

Again, if I have to choose one area it's a new starting PG. Then youth and athleticism.

We'll be fine.

[imagump1313]

Here is a bold idea. Move Kwahi to the two and somehow sign Harrison Barnes to play the three. This gets Danny Green off the floor soo much. Try to sign an athletic four or five like I said above (will probably have to go cheaper than those guys I mentioned if you sign Barnes). Then we would have to forget about Conley at PG and go for someone cheaper like DJ Augustin who I really like.

Parker/Augustin/Mills
Leonard/Green/Simmons
Barnes/Ginobili/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Duncan/Boban/West

Obviously all those pieces dont fit. (West, Mills, Green, Simmons someone has to go and you still need to find an athletic big)

[Phreak50]

I don't like Barnes, especially for what will need to be max. He is unproven outside of that role and too big a risk.

If we can afford Durant, (I'm not a numbers guy) we can obviously go after anyone available? I think two quality guys suit us better than Durant trying to fit in and play guys out of position (though we'd make that work).

A Google search brings up some unrestricted guys that could be worthwhile.

Lin, Batum (solid all rounder on offense), Hibbert (works out with Duncan in off seasons and could reignite his career by Timmy's side), Brandon Bass (strength and energy we didn't get in West), Ryan Anderson (would win 6th man with us), Brandon Jennings (would be a superb backup PG but may cost too much), Biyombo (has a player option and would fill a huge role with us).

[Nolan]

I don't like Barnes, especially for what will need to be max. He is unproven outside of that role and too big a risk.

If we can afford Durant, (I'm not a numbers guy) we can obviously go after anyone available? I think two quality guys suit us better than Durant trying to fit in and play guys out of position (though we'd make that work).

A Google search brings up some unrestricted guys that could be worthwhile.

Lin, Batum (solid all rounder on offense), Hibbert (works out with Duncan in off seasons and could reignite his career by Timmy's side), Brandon Bass (strength and energy we didn't get in West), Ryan Anderson (would win 6th man with us), Brandon Jennings (would be a superb backup PG but may cost too much), Biyombo (has a player option and would fill a huge role with us).

I'm with you on Barnes, nice player but we could get more bang for our buck elsewhere.

Also there's plenty of cheaper (less than Max) bigs out there that could be huge additions for us:
-Mozgov - Solid alround physical rim protector. Could be affordable due to an off year
-Motiejunas - Not the best defender or rim protector but a very very skilled 7 footer who could be gotten for cheap due to his injury issues.
-Mahinmi - Had a great year on both ends.

And if Portland does go after Whiteside or Howard we could snag Leonard in restricted free agency or pick up one of Davis or Plumlee via trade.

[The_Didact_117]

IMO West or Diaw need to go. There is no point in having both of them on the bench as they get murdered on the glass consistently and aren't good rim protectors. West is just bad at boxing out to begin with. I like his fire, but dude should've just stayed in Indy.

K-Mart wouldn't be bad to retain if he accepted the min, but I don't see him coming back. Spurs need to develop Simmons, not leave him behind an aging bench player.

As far as Lin goes...yeah I don't know about that. Spurs need a starting PG, and while Lin is a good spark off the bench I really don't think he is a starting caliber PG, though he would be better than Parker. IMO Conley, while not the best, would give us a PG who can actually play defense and run the offense. The only issue is what position do the Spurs wanna spend money on because it's going to force them to be cheap with the others. If they want a good C, they are going to need a very cheap PG/SF and vice versa.

Now, if KD comes, all of this is moot, because I don't care who else is on the team if the Spurs have a LMA/KD/Kawhi trio, but that is a longshot and we'd still need some defensive pieces.

[The_Didact_117]

I don't like Barnes, especially for what will need to be max. He is unproven outside of that role and too big a risk.

If we can afford Durant, (I'm not a numbers guy) we can obviously go after anyone available? I think two quality guys suit us better than Durant trying to fit in and play guys out of position (though we'd make that work).

A Google search brings up some unrestricted guys that could be worthwhile.

Lin, Batum (solid all rounder on offense), Hibbert (works out with Duncan in off seasons and could reignite his career by Timmy's side), Brandon Bass (strength and energy we didn't get in West), Ryan Anderson (would win 6th man with us), Brandon Jennings (would be a superb backup PG but may cost too much), Biyombo (has a player option and would fill a huge role with us).

I'm with you on Barnes, nice player but we could get more bang for our buck elsewhere.

Also there's plenty of cheaper (less than Max) bigs out there that could be huge additions for us:
-Mozgov - Solid alround physical rim protector. Could be affordable due to an off year
-Motiejunas - Not the best defender or rim protector but a very very skilled 7 footer who could be gotten for cheap due to his injury issues.
-Mahinmi - Had a great year on both ends.

And if Portland does go after Whiteside or Howard we could snag Leonard in restricted free agency or pick up one of Davis or Plumlee via trade.

I like those options. I would like to have Ian back just because he spent time here and is actually a solid C now. D-Mo would be great off the bench and Mozgov would be a great option if he is over his injuries.

Does anyone know what the situation is with Spurs overseas players? Anyone coming over this summer?

[Nolan]

IMO West or Diaw need to go. There is no point in having both of them on the bench as they get murdered on the glass consistently and aren't good rim protectors. West is just bad at boxing out to begin with. I like his fire, but dude should've just stayed in Indy.

K-Mart wouldn't be bad to retain if he accepted the min, but I don't see him coming back. Spurs need to develop Simmons, not leave him behind an aging bench player.

As far as Lin goes...yeah I don't know about that. Spurs need a starting PG, and while Lin is a good spark off the bench I really don't think he is a starting caliber PG, though he would be better than Parker. IMO Conley, while not the best, would give us a PG who can actually play defense and run the offense. The only issue is what position do the Spurs wanna spend money on because it's going to force them to be cheap with the others. If they want a good C, they are going to need a very cheap PG/SF and vice versa.

Now, if KD comes, all of this is moot, because I don't care who else is on the team if the Spurs have a LMA/KD/Kawhi trio, but that is a longshot and we'd still need some defensive pieces.

Totally agree with you. We need a legit 6-10+ athletic big to do the dirty work on the glass. If Boban wasn't so damn slow he'd be that guy but yeah he's that damn slow.

As for PG if we're going to add someone I wouldn't mind doing it via the draft. I'd be all for trading up into the late teens/early 20's for a guy like Ulis, Baldwin or Jackson or taking a flyer on a guy like Newman or Felder with our pick.

[UDRIH14]

whats nenes contract situation? he also trains with td in the offseason...could give him a look...

[The_Didact_117]

Nene? Dear god no