The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2)

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#141 » by Doctor MJ » Wed May 11, 2016 7:52 pm

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cpower wrote:Green's defense has been well measured in DBPM, only 1 point less than DRPM but I believe they also credited him more on offensive end. For example, Green is a 39% three point shooter this season, how much of that was due to playing with the presence of Curry? His Tov% has been horrible at 21%, but there is no way to punish that in RAPM/RPM . I think they are severely underrates Curry's offensive impact in RAPM/RPM as well.


Okay stop it now. Just because a player looks like a good player by a certain metric doesn't mean it's measuring him well. BPM attaches weight to box score stats. There are no box score stats that judge man defense or heady plays that don't lead to that player getting a block, steal, or rebound. Therefore DBPM in theory might be overrating or underrating Green, all we know for sure is that we can't have any confidence that it's getting things right.

As far as having no way to punish a guy for a specific issue in RAPM, that's not true. RAPM literally factors everything in. It's not a perfect stat but it most definitely factors in everything that occurs out on the floor without bias toward glamour or easy quantification.

Please enlighten me how Nikola Jokic is an more impactful player than Kevin Durant.


Seriously? You and I have BOTH already posted stuff talking about sample sizes issues involving +/- stat, if you understood what you posted, you already know the answer to your gotcha question here. If you don't understand what you posted, then stop trying to win the argument and ask sincerely for help.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#142 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed May 11, 2016 8:21 pm

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But overall i think its enough to provide a good indicator of how important Dray is to the Warriors Defense as Curry is in offense.



I mean, I'm not sure if I could say that even, I mean, I think draymond is a better defender than kawhi to be honest, but even in the wowy data for defense there seem to be outliers (defensive rating goes above 120 with curry and Bogut on the floor, which flat out doesent make sense)

draymonds impact is amazing though, I think he clearly has the second best impact in the league

But like, not to seem close minded, but he isn't better than curry.


Why are you saying "I mean," and "but like," so much? They are redundant and make your post difficult to read.

Draymond Green has had more impact this season than Curry has. Right now I have them #1/#3, but I firmly believe they will finish #1/#2 at season's end with a championship trophy over their heads.


I don't want to sound condescending btw, it's just that it's like 3:21 am and I'm half asleep right now lol.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#143 » by cpower » Wed May 11, 2016 8:30 pm

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Okay stop it now. Just because a player looks like a good player by a certain metric doesn't mean it's measuring him well. BPM attaches weight to box score stats. There are no box score stats that judge man defense or heady plays that don't lead to that player getting a block, steal, or rebound. Therefore DBPM in theory might be overrating or underrating Green, all we know for sure is that we can't have any confidence that it's getting things right.

As far as having no way to punish a guy for a specific issue in RAPM, that's not true. RAPM literally factors everything in. It's not a perfect stat but it most definitely factors in everything that occurs out on the floor without bias toward glamour or easy quantification.

Please enlighten me how Nikola Jokic is an more impactful player than Kevin Durant.


Seriously? You and I have BOTH already posted stuff talking about sample sizes issues involving +/- stat, if you understood what you posted, you already know the answer to your gotcha question here. If you don't understand what you posted, then stop trying to win the argument and ask sincerely for help.

Again, I agree that BPM is a flawed stat but it does not mean box score is completely meaningless. A 30/5/6 high efficient scorer will have a BIG offensive impact no matter what the plus/minus says. RAPM is not flawed but it's not reliable so it cannot be trusted neither. Do you see Green having similar impact if he plays for any other teams in this league?
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#144 » by Clyde Frazier » Thu May 12, 2016 5:29 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/730630608725020672[/tweet]

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#145 » by Clyde Frazier » Tue May 17, 2016 12:14 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/732361857558777856[/tweet]

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#146 » by AceofSpades69 » Tue May 17, 2016 12:27 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/732361857558777856[/tweet]

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#147 » by Dr Spaceman » Tue May 17, 2016 2:00 am

This is one of the most brazen coaching moves I've seen from Kerr. Roberson guarded by Draymond who keeps one foot in the paint at all times and switching everything g involvin Serge. Ibaka had Curry on him las possession and didn't even ask for the ball.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#148 » by RSCD3_ » Tue May 17, 2016 3:30 am

Curry's been pretty quiet in the clutch...

And GS ends up with Klay reverses and Draymond Iso's ???
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#149 » by JordansBulls » Tue May 17, 2016 3:36 am

I still think GSW win the series but it may go 7 now. For OKC to win this series they will need to get 2 in Golden State.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#150 » by cpower » Tue May 17, 2016 4:20 am

They just let Green shoot and I can't believe Kerr is simply falling for that. Curry was not demanding the ball and he was just too damn passive. I rather have him missing 10 threes than making boneheaded passes trying to get his teammates involved. Everytime when Curry didn't have enough FGA, this team is in trouble.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#151 » by Statlanta » Tue May 17, 2016 4:26 am

cpower wrote:They just let Green shoot and I can't believe Kerr is simply falling for that. Curry was not demanding the ball and he was just too damn passive. I rather have him missing 10 threes than making boneheaded passes trying to get his teammates involved. Everytime when Curry didn't have enough FGA, this team is in trouble.

He's one of the GOAT off-ball players. The players simply kept using his gravity there more than using his GOAT shooting. They'll adjust as I see Curry making better decisions the Russell in the long run
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#152 » by GSP » Tue May 17, 2016 4:28 am

I havent seen him trapped like this since the Cleveland series. Waiters has been surprisingly disciplined. Kanter even tho he got burned on a couple plays did a decent job as did Roberson. Steph will likely explode next game when they have him working offball far more than this one where he played the Magic role more. It will be interesting to see how Golden States gas tank does longer this series goes and how Steph handles having this much increased usage on defense having to play a healthy backcourt especially with IMO the 2nd best player in the league being that teams point guard and how dynamic and smart Dion has playing offensively.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#153 » by bleeds_purple » Tue May 17, 2016 6:06 am

Iggy's decline was really noticeable this game. At this pace of game he's not much of a playmaker.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#154 » by GSP » Tue May 17, 2016 9:12 am

The death lineup had a +/- of 0 in the 2nd half and a -19.5 net rating in the 4th (tho only 7:40 of time played in the 4th). Very strong willed of Donovan to stick with the gameplan in the 2nd half after how badly Steph and Dubs destroyed Kanter defensively in 1st half. Paid off and Kerr had to kill the death lineup lol

While i think Steph is gonna explode rest of the series Okc really came prepared for his passing and he wasnt dynamic enough off pickandrolls with his passing game to adjust to their length and athleticism. Specially coming off screens after traps with Kd or Roberson defending who knew his tendencies very well. He will adjust tho they just had some bad luck in the 4th i think tho Okcs defense deserves credit and Russ put pressure on him to defend
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#155 » by tsherkin » Thu May 19, 2016 2:42 am

And that's Steph going on a personal 13-0 run.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#156 » by tsherkin » Thu May 19, 2016 3:04 am

So, 1:54 of game time. Steph? 15 points. OKC? 2 points.

Yeah, a personal 15-2 run. Heh.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#157 » by cpower » Thu May 19, 2016 3:12 am

Steph bruised his arm badly trying to save a out of bound ball....dude you should be smarter than that.
I literally thought he would never shoot a ball in this game again lol
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#158 » by RSCD3_ » Thu May 19, 2016 3:56 am

cpower wrote:Steph bruised his arm badly trying to save a out of bound ball....dude you should be smarter than that.
I literally thought he would never shoot a ball in this game again lol



Was that before or after the run?
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#159 » by cpower » Thu May 19, 2016 3:58 am

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cpower wrote:Steph bruised his arm badly trying to save a out of bound ball....dude you should be smarter than that.
I literally thought he would never shoot a ball in this game again lol



Was that before or after the run?

03:05 left in 1 st quarter , so before
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#160 » by Ballerhogger » Thu May 19, 2016 5:07 am

Thunder got 1 on the Road and thats huge. Lets see how the respond after game 2.

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