This is a 3 player draft, not a 2 player draft

OldCeltics · Post #1 » by **OldCeltics** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:08 am

Watch this video of Buddy Hield vs Ben Simmons:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMSFYVKH1rY[/youtube]

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard
Simmons 101
Ingram 99
Buddy 97

Simmons 19 pt 12 rbd 5 ass 56% fg
Buddy 25 pt 6 rbd 2 ass 50% fg 46% 3pt

Ingram 17pt 7rbd 2 ass 44% fg 40% 3pt

Homerclease · Post #2 » by **Homerclease** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:11 am

Nobody knows how many player draft it is. Every year there's guys like Butler and Draymond and Gobert to be found later on. The 2 person draft argument is weak

CelticsPride18 · Post #3 » by **CelticsPride18** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:17 am

No, its actually a 60 player draft.

Patsfan1081 · Post #4 » by **Patsfan1081** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:21 am

The idea that Hield is just a three point shooter is just crazy, people are scared that he's a four year player and if he doesn't contribute right away he won't improve. He can attack the hoop and hit mid range shots.

OldCeltics · Post #5 » by **OldCeltics** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:23 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:The idea that Hield is just a three point shooter is just crazy, people are scared that he's a four year player and if he doesn't contribute right away he won't improve. He can attack the hoop and hit mid range shots.

I'm with you brother.

Hield, by the numbers, is the best shooter in the draft, and that is what the Celtics need.

cellar-door · Post #6 » by **cellar-door** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:27 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:The idea that Hield is just a three point shooter is just crazy, people are scared that he's a four year player and if he doesn't contribute right away he won't improve. He can attack the hoop and hit mid range shots.

I'm worried about him against NBA defenders, I don't think he has the ability to beat them off the dribble or post them up. His floor is probably pretty high as long as he can get off the corner 3 quickly and defend reasonably, but I just don't see how he becomes much better than JJ Reddick, and there's a good chance he never reaches that level.

fallguy · Post #7 » by **fallguy** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:30 am

Homerclease wrote:Nobody knows how many player draft it is. Every year there's guys like Butler and Draymond and Gobert to be found later on. The 2 person draft argument is weak

It's a ludicrous argument. Half the scouts out there don't know what Bender will be. Or how a 22-year-old Hield will do against men.

Writebloc · Post #8 » by **Writebloc** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:31 am

I think the Celtics need to gamble and go with Bender. The kid is the youngest prospect in the draft and possibly the best. I like Hield and I respect people who think he should be the pick, but how many guards does this team need?

Rentier · Post #9 » by **Rentier** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:34 am

Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

CavemanDoctor · Post #10 » by **CavemanDoctor** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:36 am

Rentier wrote:Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

Stats mean next to nothing in Euroleague. He got barely any playing time.

jfs1000d · Post #11 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:38 am

Rentier wrote:Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

How many pts a game would Ingram have averaged in Europe? Probably wouldn't get off the bench. U gotta be careful with Euros. Their stats are against top shelf competition that is better than the d-league and light years ahead of college.

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OldCeltics · Post #12 » by **OldCeltics** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:38 am

Rentier wrote:Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

Bender is not better than Zeller or Olynyk. He is very slow, no fluidity, no touch. Bender's only advantage is his size, and in NBA that means 0.

CelticsPride18 · Post #13 » by **CelticsPride18** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:42 am

What Bender is slow, has no fluidity or touch?????? What prospect are you watching????

Mustinjo · Post #14 » by **Mustinjo** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:43 am

Hield is older than Smart, Wiggins, Greek freak, Aaron Gordon, Jabari and few months younger than guys like Beal, Drummond or MKG. Imagine either of them playing in college bball last season.

Heck, even Dario Saric who is almost a year younger was probably the best player on one of the premier Euroleague teams this year. If he declared this year instead of two years ago are you telling me he's a lock for top 5? Because using the same logic people are using for Buddy he would have to be.

Writebloc · Post #15 » by **Writebloc** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:44 am

7'1 with a 9'3 wingspan. That's something neither Zeller or Olynyk can bring to the table. Dude can shoot, plus he's quicker defensively than you are giving him credit for. Celtics' fans need to stop being prisoners of the moment, it's time to think big.

CavemanDoctor · Post #16 » by **CavemanDoctor** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:45 am

OldCeltics wrote:
Rentier wrote:Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

Bender is not better than Zeller or Olynyk. He is very slow, no fluidity, no touch. Bender's only advantage is his size, and in NBA that means 0.

??? I'm no Bender expert but he is definitely not very slow. Especially for his size, he's quite fast and fluid.

Egregiousness · Post #17 » by **Egregiousness** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:45 am

definilty not a 3 player draft. you can make a case for about 6 guys who can be picked #3. No one is saying that about 1 or 2. hield is a nice player, but lets be realistic. there is a big time dropoff after 2.

CelticsPride18 · Post #18 » by **CelticsPride18** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:48 am

Man only if Skal Labissiere played well this season we wouldn't freak out so much.

Ben-N1ce · Post #19 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:48 am

jfs1000d wrote:
Rentier wrote:Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

How many pts a game would Ingram have averaged in Europe? Probably wouldn't get off the bench. U gotta be careful with Euros. Their stats are against top shelf competition that is better than the d-league and light years ahead of college.

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And Bender did nothing. Porizingas actually did some things.

cellar-door · Post #20 » by **cellar-door** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:48 am

CavemanDoctor wrote:
OldCeltics wrote:
Rentier wrote:Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

Bender is not better than Zeller or Olynyk. He is very slow, no fluidity, no touch. Bender's only advantage is his size, and in NBA that means 0.

??? I'm no Bender expert but he is definitely not very slow. Especially for his size, he's quite fast and fluid.

Yeah, basically everything in that post is the opposite of what is generally accepted about Bender, he's quick, fluid and his defense is a strength, his size in the sense of weight and strength is his biggest weakness.