This is a 3 player draft, not a 2 player draft

[Mustinjo]

Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

How many pts a game would Ingram have averaged in Europe? Probably wouldn't get off the bench. U gotta be careful with Euros. Their stats are against top shelf competition that is better than the d-league and light years ahead of college.


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And Bender did nothing. Porizingas actually did some things.

He didn't, not when he was as old as Bender is now. Zinger is 2 and a half years older.

[OldCeltics]

Bender is not better than Zeller or Olynyk. He is very slow, no fluidity, no touch. Bender's only advantage is his size, and in NBA that means 0.

??? I'm no Bender expert but he is definitely not very slow. Especially for his size, he's quite fast and fluid.

Yeah, basically everything in that post is the opposite of what is generally accepted about Bender, he's quick, fluid and his defense is a strength, his size in the sense of weight and strength is his biggest weakness.

Watching Dragon Bender, is like watching a chicken with its head cut off trying to score a basketball. He will make 20 unnecessary motions before scoring the basketball. He sucks

[return2glory]

[YouTube][/YouTube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pqss7oCKyI

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[Writebloc]

definilty not a 3 player draft. you can make a case for about 6 guys who can be picked #3. No one is saying that about 1 or 2. hield is a nice player, but lets be realistic. there is a big time dropoff after 2.

All that being said for a touted 2 player draft those top two have plenty of question marks. Don't get me wrong I would have been doing back flips for 1 or 2, but 3 is an interesting wrinkle this year. Anyone saying Simmons doesn't scare them isn't being honest, doesn't shoot the ball, doesn't have a true position, and he's a knuckle head on top of it all. Obviously not all his fault, but his team didn't even make the tourney. I like Ingram way better, but he is skinnier than a super model, it's going to take him time to fill out that frame. I think the comparisons to Durant do no service to the player that Ingram will become. All that being said Ingram was my top pick. But, clearly, with all of those questions at the very top this draft isn't as easy to quantify as the media wants to market it.

[2Mas]

The idea that Hield is just a three point shooter is just crazy, people are scared that he's a four year player and if he doesn't contribute right away he won't improve. He can attack the hoop and hit mid range shots.

I'm with you brother.

Hield, by the numbers, is the best shooter in the draft, and that is what the Celtics need.

Yeah Hield won't get any better cause he's 22, but people don't hit their prime till their late 20's.



Hields gonna be good.

My Bet -- We flip #3 for Okafor from Philly. They go Ingram & Dunn.

We get Okafor & move our other picks to move up some & take a Skal if he's there around 10ish.

[cellar-door]

Bender looks bad to me, how is he better than Zeller or Olynyk in any way? He averaged 3.1 points a game, has limited rebounding and defense, I am obviously missing something.

How many pts a game would Ingram have averaged in Europe? Probably wouldn't get off the bench. U gotta be careful with Euros. Their stats are against top shelf competition that is better than the d-league and light years ahead of college.


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And Bender did nothing. Porizingas actually did some things.

Porzingis was older, but at close to the same age these are the two players lines in their league games (yes Porzingis played in a better league):

MPG PPG FG% 3PT% FT% TRB AST STL BLK PF TO
14.9 6.7 .476 .333 .607 2.8 0.3 0.6 0.9 2.6 0.8
13.5 5.4 .570 .400 .740 2.7 0.8 0.6 0.9 2.6 0.6

They are on pretty similar trajectories, Bender just was declared for the draft a year earlier than Porzingis.

[BannersOnly]

LOL.......the glass is half full guys are grasping at straws tonight. We r screwed. Goin to end up with another ham and egger. Book it.

[OldCeltics]

LOL.......the glass is half full guys are grasping at straws tonight. We r screwed. Goin to end up with another ham and egger. Book it.

There was a 56% chance of us getting 4th pick or worse. Cheer up mate.

[return2glory]

I think the top 4 right now are Simmons, Ingram, Hield, and Dunn.

Then it's Bender, Murray, and Valentine. People don't talk about Valentine enough as a top player. I really haven't seen Bender so I'm not going to comment on his game. Then there are always a few players that emerge and end up better than a few players taken at the top of the draft.

[chakdaddy]

F that feel good nonsense

[tlee324]

The good thing about Hield is he is ready right now to contribute offensively. Unless something ridiculous happens, he should be a double-digit scorer right away and help a team that needs shooting. I am not seeing him projecting as a number-one go-to player on a legit contender, and I also don't see him making a team like Boston an instant contender, but certainly an excellent offensive contributor to a team in the right role. The Celtics won't be hurting if they picked him up, but with the makeup of the team, one of the wings would have to take a backseat or a hike, and the C's would need to be working hard to find a big.

It appears that Bender projects as the best young big in the draft; I think for the long term, that would be the best move, while the C's have trade options and cap space to find contributing players to remain competitive now.

[Rentier]

definilty not a 3 player draft. you can make a case for about 6 guys who can be picked #3. No one is saying that about 1 or 2. hield is a nice player, but lets be realistic. there is a big time dropoff after 2.

All that being said for a touted 2 player draft those top two have plenty of question marks. Don't get me wrong I would have been doing back flips for 1 or 2, but 3 is an interesting wrinkle this year. Anyone saying Simmons doesn't scare them isn't being honest, doesn't shoot the ball, doesn't have a true position, and he's a knuckle head on top of it all. Obviously not all his fault, but his team didn't even make the tourney. I like Ingram way better, but he is skinnier than a super model, it's going to take him time to fill out that frame. I think the comparisons to Durant do no service to the player that Ingram will become. All that being said Ingram was my top pick. But, clearly, with all of those questions at the very top this draft isn't as easy to quantify as the media wants to market it.

I have to agree, there are significant holes in Simmons game and Ingrams mentality / body. Brown looks solid, hope we get him, although I will say I haven't watched videos on all the top 8 yet

[wetsthebed]

Nobody knows how many player draft it is. Every year there's guys like Butler and Draymond and Gobert to be found later on. The 2 person draft argument is weak

Yes, but the fact is that you're more likely to hit on a number 1 pick than you are a 35 pick like Draymond was. The farther into the draft you are, the less likely you are of finding an all-star.

[Bleeding Green]

What Bender is slow, has no fluidity or touch?????? What prospect are you watching????

He's talking about Bender Rodriguez, who I think makes up for his lack of touch with his incredible bending strength.

[FakeScreenName123]

Bender has quick feet and good touch with length. He's going to be a modern C.

[bbd24]

It is a definite 3-player draft. Simmons, Ingram, and OKAFOR.

With Okafor ending up being the best of the bunch. Since Philly didn't get the Lakers pick, I expect they might even have more interest in trading back into this draft and nabbing Hield, with a big as the bait. They keep Embiid and Noel, & deal Jahlil.

[Crossy2008]

7'1 with a 9'3 wingspan. That's something neither Zeller or Olynyk can bring to the table. Dude can shoot, plus he's quicker defensively than you are giving him credit for. Celtics' fans need to stop being prisoners of the moment, it's time to think big.

The wingspan is certainly not 9'3", because he would be the biggest freak in the world, and that would be great for the Celtics. That is most likely his standing reach. Draftexpress has his wingspan at 7'2", which isn't much to write home about, but he is still so young that it could increase. He will turn 19 three weeks into next season.

[Domejandro]

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard
Simmons 101
Ingram 99
Buddy 97

Simmons 19 pt 12 rbd 5 ass 56% fg
Buddy 25 pt 6 rbd 2 ass 50% fg 46% 3pt
Ingram 17pt 7rbd 2 ass 44% fg 40% 3pt

I am a big fan of Buddy Hield, but I have to interject that NBADraft.net is pretty notorious for being among the worst, high-profile NBA Draft sites on the web due to its constant fluctuations, generous analysis, and legendary NBA comparisons.

[Golabki]

I'd definitely for Murray over Heild.

[Writebloc]

7'1 with a 9'3 wingspan. That's something neither Zeller or Olynyk can bring to the table. Dude can shoot, plus he's quicker defensively than you are giving him credit for. Celtics' fans need to stop being prisoners of the moment, it's time to think big.

The wingspan is certainly not 9'3", because he would be the biggest freak in the world, and that would be great for the Celtics. That is most likely his standing reach. Draftexpress has his wingspan at 7'2", which isn't much to write home about, but he is still so young that it could increase. He will turn 19 three weeks into next season.

Sorry, you are correct it is a 9'3 standing reach.