Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[MGB8]

Ingram, and without hesitation. Simmons' team didn't win. Simmons coasted on D despite his team losing. Simmons is a poor shooter, even from the FT line. Simmons is much more a 4 than a 3, and will cause spacing issues at the 3 offensively unless your bigs have range - which Sixers bigs don't.

Ingram is a year younger, a much better shooter, and has potential to be a true number 1 offensive player. Ingram-Saric (if he ever comes over)/Noel-Embiid/Noel...

Then trade Oak to Boston for 3 and one of their bigs - Sullivan or Olynyk. Drop off at 3 from last year is HUGE.

I agree its an issue, but lets not front here. Flip flop Simmons/Ingram on Duke/LSU and Duke's still a top 5 team. Im not sure how much better Ingram is on LSU.

Don't think that's true at all. Not only was Duke not a top 5 team, their biggest problem all year was defense, and after Amile Jefferson got hurt Ingram was the one guy who provided anything defensively. Intense competitor. Simmons was the exact opposite. I almost guarantee that LSU team with Ingram instead of Simmons makes the tourney. I can't name the number of the top of my head, but that LSU team had multuple top 100 recruits on that team. Way more talent than anyone gives them credit for. No excuse why they shouldn't have made the tourney in that confrence.

It is worse than this. People want Simmons, comparing him to Lebron. A franchise guy. Well, don't franchise guys make their teams win!?!? Their are only 5 players on the court on each side, after all. Not necessarily champions... But near contenders?

Simmons, this magic franchise guy... Who is going to make the Sixers win... But couldn't make his college team win...

Yeah, that is the ticket.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Simmons has excellent potential, but I'm just leery of taking a guy #1 whose best attribute is his "vision" or passing. Gotta get some scorers in here, man. I do have concerns about Ingram not being quite quick enough to create his own shot at the NBA level too, plus his build, but I think he has scoring potential.

Also, if Simmons is going to play PF... I don't know. I've always been a big fan of stretch 4's. We'd just add to the logjam of bigs on our team who can't shoot. Except Embiid.

[Ericb5]

Simmons is beginning to reach mythical creature status......

He is not THAT much better than Ingram.

Well the people that are pro Simmons have been saying it for months.

It isn't so much that he is so much better today, but he has a higher ceiling.

He is a true franchise talent. Does ANYONE argue that Ingram can be a franchise player?

Anyone?

They just argue that he fits better, and that Simmons has red flags. I don't think anyone with a straight face can argue that he is a franchise player.

I would probably take him over someone like Wiggins, but not Towns. Simmons is like another Towns.

Lots of people believe Ingram can be a franchise player. He compares fairly well to Kevin Durant.

I don't see people on this board saying that.

I think he is Durant'ish, but he isn't as good as him.

[Negrodamus]

Okafor, LAL 1st, Sac 1st, 24, 26 and right to swap with PHI in 17 for #2...

Now you're thinking like a Colangelo. That's way too much for Ingram. Okafor is comparable in talent to Ingram in my opinion. His offense is top 5 for a front court player in the league.

[USWAY]

Simmons is beginning to reach mythical creature status......

He is not THAT much better than Ingram.

Well the people that are pro Simmons have been saying it for months.

It isn't so much that he is so much better today, but he has a higher ceiling.

He is a true franchise talent. Does ANYONE argue that Ingram can be a franchise player?

Anyone?

They just argue that he fits better, and that Simmons has red flags. I don't think anyone with a straight face can argue that he is a franchise player.

I would probably take him over someone like Wiggins, but not Towns. Simmons is like another Towns.

A true franchise player to me is someone who can create and make shots when you need them to and play an elite game on both offense and defense to ultimately win you games. I saw that from Ingram last year. I honestly didn't from Simmons.

[HartfordWhalers]

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[CoreyGallagher]

I actually trust Colangelo to draft, the issue is that I'm leaning towards Ingram solely because I don't trust Colangelo to do anything else. Simmons would require more overhaul.

That's annoying.

[LongLiveHinkie]

And Simmons is good with the ball in his hands and a playmaker, but he's not exactly James Harden breaking down a defender with the ball in his hands, or Steve Nash creating plays for his teammates. He's a forward with PG type skills, but I'm really just not sure that will translate in the NBA to a franchise changing player.

Sixers down 5 with 1:30 left, and the offense is struggling. Clear out, give the ball to Ben Simmons and let him do his thing? Just don't see him as that type of guy. Those are the guys you need picking #1 in a draft.

[HartfordWhalers]

I actually trust Colangelo to draft, the issue is that I'm leaning towards Ingram solely because I don't trust Colangelo to do anything else. Simmons would require more overhaul.

That's annoying.

I'm in camp Ingram. Also, I need to spend the next week watching film I was too scared to watch. So, talk to me then.

[NYSixersFan]

Bottom line...trades have to be made to balance the roster and allow players to develop.

I see two obvious trade partners.....Hawks for Schroeder...Celtics for the 3rd pick to draft Murray or Dunn.

I would look at Kyrie Irving and Brandon Knight, but not sure either is realistic

[PhilasFinest]

You can envision both players in a optimal setting and it gets your very excited.

On 1 hand you can see Simmons could take a rebound and run it coast to coast either flushing it down, throwing a perfect lob to Noel/Embiid or hitting a TBD shooter on the perimeter for a big shot.

In the other, Its Ingram's length causing problems for opposing teams and working in as a dual threat in the Pick and Pop/spot up game around Okafor/Embiid....or even creating spacing for Noel...hitting open 3's or shooting over smaller defenders with his 7'3 wingspan and freakish size/length.

[James40]

I just love how LSU's coach gets a free pass, let me guess he's better than Larry Brown, and Simmons was complete trash that kicked his dog.

[snoopdogg88]

i just don't like how people act like because Ben Simmons has some worrisome attributes, that makes Ingram some perfect prospect.

he isn't. theres a reason Simmons is more highly rated than Ingram.

[CoreyGallagher]

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[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't think I've seen one fan or publication say Ingram is a perfect prospect. There are concerns with Ingram, and overall I'm not a huge fan of the top of this draft compared to the last two drafts.

And DraftExpress has had Ingram rated higher than Simmons for a while now.

[Skates]

I actually trust Colangelo to draft, the issue is that I'm leaning towards Ingram solely because I don't trust Colangelo to do anything else. Simmons would require more overhaul.

That's annoying.

I'm in camp Ingram. Also, I need to spend the next week watching film I was too scared to watch. So, talk to me then.

This exactly. Simmons has more of the It Factor when you watch him, but the most It guy last year was DLo. They look the most like stars, but in the end I think Ingram might be the more effective player long term. He is today's NBA, especially when your team has Saric to fill the PF playmaker role and while not the open court athlete Simmons is, Saric is the better shooter and might be the superior passer in the half court. Simmons kills it on the break, so if he can play PG I would go Simmons. If Simmons is a PF, then I take Ingram.

For now.

[LongLiveHinkie]

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His passing is excellent, but to me that's like getting excited about a RB in the NFL because he's a great blocker or getting excited about a pitcher in baseball because he's a good hitter.

If we're thinking big picture here, and competing for the title in the playoffs eventually, you can't generate offense just by passing the ball around well. The coaching in the playoffs is too good, and the individual defenders are too good. You need players to create offense individually for it to work. The Spurs kinda skewed this in many fans eyes IMO, because they were often a team that shared the ball extremely well, but they have arguably the best coach in NBA history, 3 HOF players(even though they're declining) and had an up and coming star in Leonard.

I can only speak for myself, but a great passer at #1 just doesn't excite me. Hey, maybe the guy will develop a jumper and being a stud scorer in the NBA, but he'd need to do that to be worth it IMO.

[USWAY]

I just love how LSU's coach gets a free pass, let me guess he's better than Larry Brown, and Simmons was complete trash that kicked his dog.

Not giving him a pass. He's just as much to blame for that mess. But fact of the matter is he made the tournament as recently as last year with a less talented team on paper.

[MGB8]

Coach or no coach...Let's not forget LSU's 71-38 drubbing by Texas A&M, with Simmons scoring 10 points on 11 shots.

The Aggies did it to the sweet 16... But come on, an NBA franchise player leads his team to a 38-71 blowout loss? Yeah, blame the coaching...

[PhilasFinest]

Coach or no coach...Let's not forget LSU's 71-38 drubbing by Texas A&M, with Ingram scoring 10 points on 11 shots.

The Aggies did it to the sweet 16... But come on, an NBA franchise player leads his team to a 38-71 blowout loss? Yeah, blame the coaching...

You mean Simmons had 10 points?