Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[MGB8]

Yes. My bad - fixed post - realgm fritzy too, and I'm tired. Mr Magic Elite Franchise Simmons scored 10 points (on 11 shots) of the 38 that LSU scored, against the Aggies' 71.

[Negrodamus]

Yes. My bad - fixed post - realgm fritzy too, and I'm tired. Mr Magic Elite Franchise Simmons scored 10 points (on 11 shots) of the 38 that LSU scored, against the Aggies' 71.

And Ingram scored 8 points on 10 shots with 10 turnovers vs Louisville. Yea, these guys aren't perfect.

[CoreyGallagher]

http://australia.sportingnews.com/nba-au/news/nba-draft-lottery-sixers-brett-brown-australia-ben-simmons-lsu-no-1-pick/srbs5ucwsk6r1kbzrhco1yr8s

Australian connection.

[MGB8]

Yes. My bad - fixed post - realgm fritzy too, and I'm tired. Mr Magic Elite Franchise Simmons scored 10 points (on 11 shots) of the 38 that LSU scored, against the Aggies' 71.

And Ingram scored 8 points on 10 shots with 10 turnovers vs Louisville. Yea, these guys aren't perfect.

Sure. But at Loiusville, vs. on a neutral site. And a tough loss, 64-71, with even coach K getting a T. As opposed to a ridiculous blowout. Not to mention that Ingram is a year younger, and less physically advanced.

[Sixerscan]

We will pick simmons

Or we will pick ingram because Brett knows that simmons is a big puss. I feel very comfortable there.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I hope they don't have any bias one way or another. They need to do all their homework, work the guys out, talk to coaches, talk to scouts, interviews, etc. And may the best man win. But I hope they don't pick Simmons over Ingram, even if Ingram outdoes him in all the pre-draft stuff, simply because Brett Brown is familiar with him.

[SparksFly87]

I can see okafor to boston for 3 and us picking up a knock down shooter heild or Murray. Simmons will be a 3/4 who can play with Saric, Covington and grant in different situations.

[Jack Bauer]

Simmons making it way too obvious now smh.

[76ciology]

There's a misconception in labeling prospects as safe picks.

when you are drafting mid teens or lower, safe pick may refer to guys who have already NBA ready skillset.

But when you are drafting at high lottery, safe pick is referred to prospects who you think can translate from amateur to the Pros.

Evan Turner is a safe pick at mid teens.

Now, Simmons has NBA ready skillset. But I question how he can score against bigger PFs or how efficient he can be at the perimeter. For lack of a better comparison, he's eerily similar to Jah. Atleast Jah has elite size and mobility to slide down to PF. Jah's shooting is a work in progress. And if you look at the shot chart, both Jah/Simmons have similar range.

Ingram is the obvious pick. He's got elite length and athleticism for his size. He's a two way player who can score anywhere and give you deflections. He can even compliment jah and Biid on Defense.

[James40]

I've never said that Simmons was the perfect prospect, he's far from it but his entire team quit this year, not just him and I think Villanova who has the least talented team (NBA talent) showed how important coaching and teamwork is in college basketball.

LSU should have been better this year, that falls on Simmons, his coach, and his team. Simmon's isn't Lebron, just like Ingram isn't Durant.

[Jack Bauer]

NBA.com update today says we should take Ingram:

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/05/18/2016-nba-mock-draft-1-0/index.html

[Unbreakable99]

There's a misconception in labeling prospects as safe picks.

when you are drafting mid teens or lower, safe pick may refer to guys who have already NBA ready skillset.

But when you are drafting at high lottery, safe pick is referred to prospects who you think can translate from amateur to the Pros.

Evan Turner is a safe pick at mid teens.

Now, Simmons has NBA ready skillset. But I question how he can score against bigger PFs or how efficient he can be at the perimeter. For lack of a better comparison, he's eerily similar to Jah. Atleast Jah has elite size and mobility to slide down to PF. Jah's shooting is a work in progress. And if you look at the shot chart, both Jah/Simmons have similar range.

Ingram is the obvious pick. He's got elite length and athleticism for his size. He's a two way player who can score anywhere and give you deflections. He can even compliment jah and Biid on Defense.

Don't overthink this. It's going to be Simmons. 5 years from now people are going to look back on this and wonder why Simmons vs Ingram was even a debate when Simmons shows how good he is.

[EvanZ]

There's a misconception in labeling prospects as safe picks.

when you are drafting mid teens or lower, safe pick may refer to guys who have already NBA ready skillset.

But when you are drafting at high lottery, safe pick is referred to prospects who you think can translate from amateur to the Pros.

Evan Turner is a safe pick at mid teens.

Now, Simmons has NBA ready skillset. But I question how he can score against bigger PFs or how efficient he can be at the perimeter. For lack of a better comparison, he's eerily similar to Jah. Atleast Jah has elite size and mobility to slide down to PF. Jah's shooting is a work in progress. And if you look at the shot chart, both Jah/Simmons have similar range.

Ingram is the obvious pick. He's got elite length and athleticism for his size. He's a two way player who can score anywhere and give you deflections. He can even compliment jah and Biid on Defense.

Don overthink this. It's going to be Oden. 5 years from now people are going to look back on this and wonder why Oden vs Durant was even a debate when Oden shows how good he is.

Well, sometimes it doesn't work out the way you think.

[Braggins]

Ingram seems like the better fit for your roster, but I feel like you guys just have to take Simmons. He is just better imo. He has at least as much upside as Ingram (more imo) and is more NBA ready. He seems to have more of the alpha/leader mentality that you guys need to get the team focused and winning games. He will roast bigger PFs off the dribble and in transition and will be able to attack SF's and smaller PFs in the mid post with ease. He will run your offense and get everyone involved from day one. For the love of god don't let the Lakers get Simmons.

Ish
Stauskas
Covington/Grant
Simmons/Saric
Okafor/Noel/Embiid

[eagereyez]

I think both camps have good arguments. Don't think you can go wrong with either guy really. I'd still take Simmons simply because I think he has a higher ceiling. A PF who can handle the ball will wreck havoc on opposing defenses, especially if he can developer a jumper. I still question whether or not Ingram's shooting will translate to the NBA. He's a good 3 pt. shooter with the college line, but his poor FT shooting makes me wonder if it'll translate. Pretty much all the good shooters in the NBA had a great FT% in college.

[76ciology]

There's a misconception in labeling prospects as safe picks.

when you are drafting mid teens or lower, safe pick may refer to guys who have already NBA ready skillset.

But when you are drafting at high lottery, safe pick is referred to prospects who you think can translate from amateur to the Pros.

Evan Turner is a safe pick at mid teens.

Now, Simmons has NBA ready skillset. But I question how he can score against bigger PFs or how efficient he can be at the perimeter. For lack of a better comparison, he's eerily similar to Jah. Atleast Jah has elite size and mobility to slide down to PF. Jah's shooting is a work in progress. And if you look at the shot chart, both Jah/Simmons have similar range.

Ingram is the obvious pick. He's got elite length and athleticism for his size. He's a two way player who can score anywhere and give you deflections. He can even compliment jah and Biid on Defense.

Don't overthink this. It's going to be Simmons. 5 years from now people are going to look back on this and wonder why Simmons vs Ingram was even a debate when Simmons shows how good he is.

I want my SF to be able to shoot, score anywhere, score off PnR/Iso/transition. All refers to ingram.

I don't want an undersized PF who's best ability is to handle the ball.

[zimpy27]

You have to take Simmons even though Ingram fits better. Hard decision.

[Braggins]

There's a misconception in labeling prospects as safe picks.

when you are drafting mid teens or lower, safe pick may refer to guys who have already NBA ready skillset.

But when you are drafting at high lottery, safe pick is referred to prospects who you think can translate from amateur to the Pros.

Evan Turner is a safe pick at mid teens.

Now, Simmons has NBA ready skillset. But I question how he can score against bigger PFs or how efficient he can be at the perimeter. For lack of a better comparison, he's eerily similar to Jah. Atleast Jah has elite size and mobility to slide down to PF. Jah's shooting is a work in progress. And if you look at the shot chart, both Jah/Simmons have similar range.

Ingram is the obvious pick. He's got elite length and athleticism for his size. He's a two way player who can score anywhere and give you deflections. He can even compliment jah and Biid on Defense.

Don't overthink this. It's going to be Simmons. 5 years from now people are going to look back on this and wonder why Simmons vs Ingram was even a debate when Simmons shows how good he is.

I want my SF to be able to shoot, score anywhere, score off PnR/Iso/transition. All refers to ingram.

I don't want an undersized PF who's best ability is to handle the ball.

Agree. I tried to warn Cleveland that they should have taken Carmelo instead Lebron. I want my SF to be able to shoot and score from anywhere. I don't want an undersized PF whose best ability is to pass the ball.

[76ciology]

Don't overthink this. It's going to be Simmons. 5 years from now people are going to look back on this and wonder why Simmons vs Ingram was even a debate when Simmons shows how good he is.

I want my SF to be able to shoot, score anywhere, score off PnR/Iso/transition. All refers to ingram.

I don't want an undersized PF who's best ability is to handle the ball.

Agree. I tried to warn Cleveland that they should have taken Carmelo instead Lebron. I want my SF to be able to shoot and score from anywhere. I don't want an undersized PF whose best ability is to pass the ball.

Big difference is the ability to shoot the ball. And FWIW, Ingram is more KD than Melo due to his freakish length and deflection numbers.

Ingram is closer to KD than Simmons is to LBJ.

I'd also like to add that Simmons' shooting is closer to Jahlil than LBJ. And at this rate, I might prefer Jah's shooting.

[Braggins]

I want my SF to be able to shoot, score anywhere, score off PnR/Iso/transition. All refers to ingram.

I don't want an undersized PF who's best ability is to handle the ball.

Agree. I tried to warn Cleveland that they should have taken Carmelo instead Lebron. I want my SF to be able to shoot and score from anywhere. I don't want an undersized PF whose best ability is to pass the ball.

Big difference is the ability to shoot the ball. And FWIW, Ingram is more KD than Melo due to his freakish length and deflection numbers.

Ingram is closer to KD than Simmons is to LBJ.

KD and Melo were both better prospects than Ingram. Simmons is a better prospect than Melo and on a similar level as KD in my opinion. Ingram is clearly outside of that super elite tier of prospects. Simmons is at least close. Ingram is like a more polished Paul George type of prospect. Simmons is bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter, has better instincts, etc. Ingrams shooting is his only real clear advantage, but he isn't even THAT good of a shooter (he'll certainly never be anywhere close to Durants level). You guys will look foolish if you take him over Simmons and we'll all have to deal with the Lakers being a powerhouse again. Don't do it.