Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[76ciology]

Agree. I tried to warn Cleveland that they should have taken Carmelo instead Lebron. I want my SF to be able to shoot and score from anywhere. I don't want an undersized PF whose best ability is to pass the ball.

Big difference is the ability to shoot the ball. And FWIW, Ingram is more KD than Melo due to his freakish length and deflection numbers.

Ingram is closer to KD than Simmons is to LBJ.

KD and Melo were both better prospects than Ingram. Simmons is a better prospect than Melo and on a similar level as KD in my opinion. Ingram is clearly outside of that super elite tier of prospects. Simmons is at least close. Ingram is like a more polished Paul George type of prospect. Simmons is bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter, has better instincts, etc. Ingrams shooting is his only real clear advantage, but he isn't even THAT good of a shooter. You guys will look foolish if you take him over Simmons and we'll all have to deal with the Lakers being a powerhouse again. Don't do it.

Paul George was never this good at this age and Ingram had better skillset than George. Like I said 44% of Ingram's offense comes from guard responsibilities. He's the third best spot up shooter behind Hield and Murray. He has the tools and has shown glimpse to be an elite defender.

[eyeatoma]

Agree. I tried to warn Cleveland that they should have taken Carmelo instead Lebron. I want my SF to be able to shoot and score from anywhere. I don't want an undersized PF whose best ability is to pass the ball.

Big difference is the ability to shoot the ball. And FWIW, Ingram is more KD than Melo due to his freakish length and deflection numbers.

Ingram is closer to KD than Simmons is to LBJ.

KD and Melo were both better prospects than Ingram. Simmons is a better prospect than Melo and on a similar level as KD in my opinion. Ingram is clearly outside of that super elite tier of prospects. Simmons is at least close. Ingram is like a more polished Paul George type of prospect. Simmons is bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter, has better instincts, etc. Ingrams shooting is his only real clear advantage, but he isn't even THAT good of a shooter (he'll certainly never be anywhere close to Durants level). You guys will look foolish if you take him over Simmons and we'll all have to deal with the Lakers being a powerhouse again. Don't do it.

Ummm a more polished Paul George is a superstar (top 5 player in this league)...

[Braggins]

Big difference is the ability to shoot the ball. And FWIW, Ingram is more KD than Melo due to his freakish length and deflection numbers.

Ingram is closer to KD than Simmons is to LBJ.

KD and Melo were both better prospects than Ingram. Simmons is a better prospect than Melo and on a similar level as KD in my opinion. Ingram is clearly outside of that super elite tier of prospects. Simmons is at least close. Ingram is like a more polished Paul George type of prospect. Simmons is bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter, has better instincts, etc. Ingrams shooting is his only real clear advantage, but he isn't even THAT good of a shooter. You guys will look foolish if you take him over Simmons and we'll all have to deal with the Lakers being a powerhouse again. Don't do it.

Paul George was never this good at this age and Ingram had better skillset than George. Like I said 44% of Ingram's offense comes from guard responsibilities. He's the third best spot up shooter behind Hield and Murray. He has the tools and has shown glimpse to be an elite defender.

George was less polished than Ingram, but PG also improved much more than you should really expect most prospects to in his first few years in the NBA. I don't think its that safe of a bet that Ingram will ever be as good as PG is. His ceiling probably is a bit higher due to better length and better natural guard skills, but he still is extremely unlikely to be much better than PG. A reasonable best case scenario for Ingram is being a top 10-15 player. Simmons has the potential to be as high as a top 5 level player and he is also more NBA ready.

[Braggins]

Big difference is the ability to shoot the ball. And FWIW, Ingram is more KD than Melo due to his freakish length and deflection numbers.

Ingram is closer to KD than Simmons is to LBJ.

KD and Melo were both better prospects than Ingram. Simmons is a better prospect than Melo and on a similar level as KD in my opinion. Ingram is clearly outside of that super elite tier of prospects. Simmons is at least close. Ingram is like a more polished Paul George type of prospect. Simmons is bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter, has better instincts, etc. Ingrams shooting is his only real clear advantage, but he isn't even THAT good of a shooter (he'll certainly never be anywhere close to Durants level). You guys will look foolish if you take him over Simmons and we'll all have to deal with the Lakers being a powerhouse again. Don't do it.

Ummm a more polished Paul George is a superstar (top 5 player in this league)...

Hes more polished as a prospect coming out of college. I didn't say that I think he will be a more polished Paul George. George was even more of a late bloomer than Ingram and showed incredible improvement from the time he entered the league til now. It is possible Ingram could show that kind of improvement and be a better version of Paul George, but I wouldn't count on it. The point still remains that Simmons is the better prospect and his ceiling is even higher than a more polished version of Paul George.

[CoreyGallagher]

Poll may be, but inclined to believe some Lakers' and other NBA teams' fans skew the result.

[76ciology]

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[76ciology]

LBJ was already shooting 35% on 3s when he was 20 that is composed of almost 20% of his FGs. Same age Simmons will be when he plays in the NBA next season.

[76ciology]

What's make the PnR hard to defend is the threat of the ball handler's at the perimeter. If not, it's easy to sag off to prevent penetration.

You've got to question why Simmons was rarely used on ISO or PnR on halfcourt setting in LSU. Nor does he take jumpers that defenders are willing to give.

I also recommend you guys reading..
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2016/2/16/10966798/ben-simmons-nba-draft-scouting-report-jump-shot

The way I read it, Simmons will start with a low base rate with his shooting. He might have start from scratch and develop his right hand. He may succeed in it, but why take that chance when you have an higher upside prospect in Ingram.

[Ericb5]

And Simmons is good with the ball in his hands and a playmaker, but he's not exactly James Harden breaking down a defender with the ball in his hands, or Steve Nash creating plays for his teammates. He's a forward with PG type skills, but I'm really just not sure that will translate in the NBA to a franchise changing player.

Sixers down 5 with 1:30 left, and the offense is struggling. Clear out, give the ball to Ben Simmons and let him do his thing? Just don't see him as that type of guy. Those are the guys you need picking #1 in a draft.

No.

In that situation, you give the ball to Okafor or Embiid.

Who better in a half court set to send the post entry pass than someone like Simmons?

[BenSimmons4MVP]

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wow, this poll is shocking. im hoping ingram wont get taken first. he will be the better player. this is starting to remind me of last yr when i hoped kat was gonna fall to lakers and instead he leapfrogged okafor for number 1. god dammit

as such, i voted that you guys should take simmons

[eyeatoma]

A fantastic article on the Case for Brandon Ingram as the #1 pick...

http://www.si.com/longform/brandon-ingram-2016-nba-draft

[76ciology]

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[r0drig0lac]

should take Ingram, for the simple fact that Simmons does not want to play for the 76ers imo

[Negrodamus]

should take Ingram, for the simple fact that Simmons does not want to play for the 76ers imo

If we didn't draft the players that didn't want to come, we'd have a D-League roster. Nobody wants to join a historically bad team.

[marcush]

should take Ingram, for the simple fact that Simmons does not want to play for the 76ers imo

Yeah, I really hope we have a better reason than that

Rich Paul will obviously do all he can but in the end they go where they are picked, like Okafor

[r0drig0lac]

should take Ingram, for the simple fact that Simmons does not want to play for the 76ers imo

If we didn't draft the players that didn't want to come, we'd have a D-League roster. Nobody wants to join a historically bad team.

maybe you're right, but this child seems to be worried about being the "new Lakers face" and Ingram may actually be a better basketball player than him. I would not venture into an unhappy Simmons if the second option is Ingram

[76ciology]

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spoiler: I know it seems eternal but he will move from that spot.

[BullyKing]

I can't answer who they should take in the abstract. If we take Simmons, what are teams offering for Noel and Okafor? If we're only getting terrible Ainge-type offers for those guys, then I'm more inclined to take Ingram.

[svnty6rs3]

Brown has some history with the Simmons family with coaching bens dad and being around Ben when he was younger. That should hopefully give the team an inside edge in scouting Ben and understanding the type of person he is. Especially with all these questions about his lack of effort and being a bad team member.