2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Takingbaconback]

There's really no substantive reason I can think of for Hield not being an elite prospect. His #s are off the charts, his quick-release perimeter bomber style is what the NBA loves right now, and his measurements are good. People feel kinda uncomfortable with seniors sometimes, and w/ Hield specifically, there seems to be this idea that he blew up over night, but he's been good for awhile, just started his freshman year slowly and then flew under the radar playing for a second tier program that's never been known as an NBA talent producer. But his sophomore year beats Oladipo's sophomore year for example, so he's been putting up nice #s for awhile, he just completely took it to another level this year.

He's an elite shooter but not really elite at anything else. If he stays an elite shooter and is able to create his own shot in the NBA, he'll be good. If his shooting regresses to where it was as a junior or he's not able to create the same type of space he did in college he's probably going to be pretty average.

I agree with this. I don't see too much of that ball handling skills or finishing at the rim that tank brought up. He is also undersized and isn't particularly known for defense. It's hard to take a guy like Hield who is a very good shooter with not many other strengths over a Murray or Dunn who can get their fingerprints all over the game in many different ways. Will Hield be better than JJ Redick even? If they are comparable in role and production, I don't think he's worth taking this high.

[firyGM]

I would have to respectfully disagree with you on Faried's defense, he's a below average defender. IMO Luwawu or Sabonis isn't worth taking on Faried and trading the 5th pick, the value just isn't there for me.

Ok, I respect your opinion. Is there some player, realistic and not Ibaka, that you want to trade the pick?

[thinktank]

You may regret weighing positional flexibility so heavily if Hield fulfills his potential as a lights-out scorer.

Not when we already have two players who should be locked in for 30 mpg.

If you want Hield to get 20+ minutes as a rookie, prepare yourselves for the PG LaVine Show, boys and girls....

How Hield performs as a rookie makes no difference to me.

How Hield performs long-term makes all the difference to me.

And Hield can get 20 minutes off the bench anyway.

We need a 10 man deep team and right now we're at between 5 and 7 players deep.

[Dewey]

I like Dunn if he's there. Hield does not do it for me at the NBA level.

[Klomp]

How Hield performs as a rookie makes no difference to me.

How Hield performs long-term makes all the difference to me.

If he was sitting behind a 35 year old, you might have a point, but he'd be behind two guys who are younger than him and will probably be here for the next 5-10 years. There isn't a potential opening there.

If you want to draft him as a bench player, fine. Just don't be mad if they aren't able to get him starter's minutes, because this could be seen from a mile away.

[Devilzsidewalk]

There's really no substantive reason I can think of for Hield not being an elite prospect. His #s are off the charts, his quick-release perimeter bomber style is what the NBA loves right now, and his measurements are good. People feel kinda uncomfortable with seniors sometimes, and w/ Hield specifically, there seems to be this idea that he blew up over night, but he's been good for awhile, just started his freshman year slowly and then flew under the radar playing for a second tier program that's never been known as an NBA talent producer. But his sophomore year beats Oladipo's sophomore year for example, so he's been putting up nice #s for awhile, he just completely took it to another level this year.

He's an elite shooter but not really elite at anything else. If he stays an elite shooter and is able to create his own shot in the NBA, he'll be good. If his shooting regresses to where it was as a junior or he's not able to create the same type of space he did in college he's probably going to be pretty average.

I agree with this. I don't see too much of that ball handling skills or finishing at the rim that tank brought up. He is also undersized and isn't particularly known for defense. It's hard to take a guy like Hield who is a very good shooter with not many other strengths over a Murray or Dunn who can get their fingerprints all over the game in many different ways. Will Hield be better than JJ Redick even? If they are comparable in role and production, I don't think he's worth taking this high.

6'5" and a ripped 212 is pretty good size. Same reach and wingspan as Klay Thompson. & like Klay, I think people are overly critical of the other facets of his game b/c of his dominance from the arc and conclusions are made that he's 1 dimensional

[thinktank]

If you want to draft him as a bench player, fine. Just don't be mad if they aren't able to get him starter's minutes, because this could be seen from a mile away.

How about you just don't be mad that I don't care if Hield starts.

Which I don't, have never said, even disavowed this opinion in my previous post, etc.

This is your second post on this strawman angle.

Maybe one of the mods can save us all from you repeating it a third time.

[john2jer]

If you think Buddy Hield is a JJ Redick clone, you sprint to the podium and draft him. Redick is way underrated.

I personally don't think he is. Hield is probably 3rd on my list of the 3 guards, but ahead of a lot of other options.

[Klomp]

How about you just don't be mad that I don't care if Hield starts.

Which I don't, have never said, even disavowed this opinion in my previous post, etc.

I'm not mad. I don't care, and was never meaning 'you' in the singular sense. Just trying to manage expectations for him on the whole.

Drafting him would give us more depth, but important to remember that most of our wings can't really play multiple positions. Do we really want to add another player who only can play one spot?

[Takingbaconback]

He's an elite shooter but not really elite at anything else. If he stays an elite shooter and is able to create his own shot in the NBA, he'll be good. If his shooting regresses to where it was as a junior or he's not able to create the same type of space he did in college he's probably going to be pretty average.

I agree with this. I don't see too much of that ball handling skills or finishing at the rim that tank brought up. He is also undersized and isn't particularly known for defense. It's hard to take a guy like Hield who is a very good shooter with not many other strengths over a Murray or Dunn who can get their fingerprints all over the game in many different ways. Will Hield be better than JJ Redick even? If they are comparable in role and production, I don't think he's worth taking this high.

6'5" and a ripped 212 is pretty good size. Same reach and wingspan as Klay Thompson. & like Klay, I think people are overly critical of the other facets of his game b/c of his dominance from the arc and conclusions are made that he's 1 dimensional

Don't think he has good size as a SG, I would say he's a bit undersized at 6 4, 6 5 at SG. Klay Thompson has more than 2 inches on him. I can see where you are going with that Klay comparison because they are fantastic shooters but Klay legitimately can be one of the best shooters ever when it's all said and done. I don't think people are being overly critical, it's just that he isn't a good ball handler, he doesn't attack the basket often, he doesn't create plays for others. Those are just facts about the player.

[Takingbaconback]

If you think Buddy Hield is a JJ Redick clone, you sprint to the podium and draft him. Redick is way underrated.

I personally don't think he is. Hield is probably 3rd on my list of the 3 guards, but ahead of a lot of other options.

I will not be sprinting up there to take JJ redick over Murray or Dunn, that much is for sure. I do agree he isn't Redick, but I think he's going to play a similar role seeing that he isn't good handling the ball or creating for others. I really don't see how he's supposed to be an upgrade over LaVine who is 15 months younger than he is, I think he is the most underrated player on this team.

[Klomp]

6'5" and a ripped 212 is pretty good size. Same reach and wingspan as Klay Thompson.

Yeah, I know I've definitely stepped back from calling him undersized. He's average SG size. He's just not big enough to play SF and doesn't have PG skills.

[john2jer]

How about you just don't be mad that I don't care if Hield starts.

Which I don't, have never said, even disavowed this opinion in my previous post, etc.

I'm not mad. I don't care, and was never meaning 'you' in the singular sense. Just trying to manage expectations for him on the whole.

Drafting him would give us more depth, but important to remember that most of our wings can't really play multiple positions. Do we really want to add another player who only can play one spot?

This is why Murray is so high on my list. Positional flexibility. Not just a buzzword in the bedroom.

[Klomp]

Positional flexibility. Not just a buzzword in the bedroom.

Hey-yo!

[john2jer]

If you think Buddy Hield is a JJ Redick clone, you sprint to the podium and draft him. Redick is way underrated.

I personally don't think he is. Hield is probably 3rd on my list of the 3 guards, but ahead of a lot of other options.

I will not be sprinting up there to take JJ redick over Murray or Dunn, that much is for sure. I do agree he isn't Redick, but I think he's going to play a similar role seeing that he isn't good handling the ball or creating for others.

Murray is my #1 choice.

[Takingbaconback]

If you think Buddy Hield is a JJ Redick clone, you sprint to the podium and draft him. Redick is way underrated.

I personally don't think he is. Hield is probably 3rd on my list of the 3 guards, but ahead of a lot of other options.

I will not be sprinting up there to take JJ redick over Murray or Dunn, that much is for sure. I do agree he isn't Redick, but I think he's going to play a similar role seeing that he isn't good handling the ball or creating for others.

Murray is my #1 choice.

I know I'm just saying I kinda expect more in 5th overall selection than JJ Redick lol. I would be very disappointed if Hield became a Redick is where I was getting at, but at the same time I don't see how he can have a significantly different role.

[Klomp]

I know I'm just saying I kinda expect more in 5th overall selection than JJ Redick lol. I would be very disappointed if Hield became a Redick is where I was getting at.

That's what you're going to get out of this draft.

[Takingbaconback]

I know I'm just saying I kinda expect more in 5th overall selection than JJ Redick lol. I would be very disappointed if Hield became a Redick is where I was getting at.

That's what you're going to get out of this draft.

Strongly disagree. Dunn and Murray will have much bigger impact than JJ Redick, and I expect Hield to bring more than him too. I also think this draft is underrated because there are a lot of unknowns that people just assume to be busts. Like Thon Maker and Qi, nobody are talking about them at all. There are more huge boom or bust type of guys than recent memory. Add in some more european prospects and there will be guys better than JJ Redick throughout the first round.

[GopherIt!]

This is why Murray is so high on my list. Positional flexibility. Not just a buzzword in the bedroom.

Not to mention the ability to get to the rim.

[wablty]

All Hield does is potentially curb the development of LaVine, who's got a lot more potential. You need guys that can play and guard multiple positions. Hield is 6'3" barefoot but doesn't have the handle to run an offense. He's basically Ben Gordon- Not bad. Definitely has a place in the league, but maybe not a fit here.

A guy like Jaylen Brown who's big enough to play 2, 3 and small 4 is probably more valuable down the line if Murray and Bender are both gone. Even if you trade back, I think you can get 3 and D and another contributor.

Additionally, if you are accepting that we aren't swinging for a star and instead just a roleplayer type, we'd be better off taking Ellenson over Hield. I'm not a huge fan, but he's big (measured just under 7' in shoes at the combine with a long reach) and he can shoot. That's not the easiest combination to find and you have to think Thibs can turn him into a pretty good positional defender.