Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[cksdayoff]

how can we get dennis smith jr

[NJ SixerFan]

^^ Might as well sign KD too. And Conley.

Yeah because trading the 3rd pick in last year's draft who has shown tremendous offensive potential and their lottery pick back next season for 2 this year and picking up Teague a middle-ish of the pack pg in the nba equates to belief that kd is a possibility.

[OleSchool]

Odom was a long player that could handle it, but he wasn't a distributor. He also was the athlete that Simmons is.

And on top of that, he was a knucklehead crack smoker.

There is one other factor. He just wasn't as good as Simmons.

You must not have watched Odom too much then, if that's your opinion of him.

Odom, in his prime was a top 10 - 15 player in the league during his time.

* note, I'm not saying Odom was a top 10 - 15 player of all time.

I think Simmons is a quicker, more fluid athlete compared to Odom. Also think he has a better handle.

Maybe it cause Odom played on the West Coast....

[NJ SixerFan]

I say we make this easy and trade Okafor and the Lakers pick back to them for the 2nd pick and draft them both. Then go out and get Jeff Teague if possible and run:
Teague/tj
Ingram/stauskas
Simmons/Covington
Saric/holmes/grant
Embiid or noel depending on embiid health and how much the sixers let him play.

you're rushing the rebuild, at #4 next year we could get someone better than ingram and even simmons

In fairness the 2nd pick this year is worth more than the uncertainty of possibly getting their pick next year. Do you feel the same way if that pick ends up being 14th?

[joyeuxnoel]

I say we make this easy and trade Okafor and the Lakers pick back to them for the 2nd pick and draft them both. Then go out and get Jeff Teague if possible and run:
Teague/tj
Ingram/stauskas
Simmons/Covington
Saric/holmes/grant
Embiid or noel depending on embiid health and how much the sixers let him play.

you're rushing the rebuild, at #4 next year we could get someone better than ingram and even simmons

In fairness the 2nd pick this year is worth more than the uncertainty of possibly getting their pick next year. Do you feel the same way if that pick ends up being 14th?

my point is ingram wouldnt be a top 5 pick next year, and okafor would be a top 5 pick in almost any draft

[sixers23]

you're rushing the rebuild, at #4 next year we could get someone better than ingram and even simmons

In fairness the 2nd pick this year is worth more than the uncertainty of possibly getting their pick next year. Do you feel the same way if that pick ends up being 14th?

my point is ingram wouldnt be a top 5 pick next year, and okafor would be a top 5 pick in almost any draft

this just isnt true. next years draft is way deeper but no prospect is certainly better than ingram at this point

[OleSchool]

Whether it's Simmons or Ingram, so be it - I'm not dying on either hill.

This is where I'm at but, when some posters are touting Simmons like he's the 2nd coming and he's clearly head and shoulders above Ingram when in fact he's not.

Both players have warts and they are a lot closer them some posters want to believe.

Simmons in not some once in a decade player, like some poster posted. He wouldn't have went #1 last year over Towns, heck he might have went 4th only cause Zingis was such an unknown. He wouldn't go #1 next year and he wouldn't have went #1 in '14, again probably 4th. So how is Simmons some "once in a decade player?"

Drafting Simmons, with his alleged attitude problems creates too much of a headache. Too many 4's, no shooting, no defense, and still no perimeter players.

IMO opinion Saric gives you close to what Simmons can without the alleged attitude problems. Plus he (Saric) is further along in his development than Simmons.

Ingram is a plug and play type player. That being said I fully expect him to start slow and build up as the season/years progress

[OleSchool]

I say we make this easy and trade Okafor and the Lakers pick back to them for the 2nd pick and draft them both. Then go out and get Jeff Teague if possible and run:
Teague/tj
Ingram/stauskas
Simmons/Covington
Saric/holmes/grant
Embiid or noel depending on embiid health and how much the sixers let him play.

Lakers passed on Okafor last year, what has he done to justify the Lakers felt they made a mistake?

[joyeuxnoel]

In fairness the 2nd pick this year is worth more than the uncertainty of possibly getting their pick next year. Do you feel the same way if that pick ends up being 14th?

my point is ingram wouldnt be a top 5 pick next year, and okafor would be a top 5 pick in almost any draft

this just isnt true. next years draft is way deeper but no prospect is certainly better than ingram at this point

eh i take that back, i went too far.

[Ericb5]

For all the Simmons fans, can someone explain to me why he is not Lamar Odom 2.0?

Odom was a long player that could handle it, but he wasn't a distributor. He also was the athlete that Simmons is.

And on top of that, he was a knucklehead crack smoker.

There is one other factor. He just wasn't as good as Simmons.

You must not have watched Odom too much then, if that's your opinion of him.

Odom, in his prime was a top 10 - 15 player in the league during his time.

* note, I'm not saying Odom was a top 10 - 15 player of all time.

I watched plenty of Odom. I watched him as a freshman at Rhode Island too.

He was not a distributor by nature.

He had lots of skill, but he wasn't a superstar, and I think Simmons is a superstar. Sure it's an opinion, but that's all any of this is.

Simmons is the kind of player that you can build a team around. The fact that we can have him AND Embiid, who is an even better player, is ridiculous.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that we actually won the lottery and can get him.

For the last 6 months I was fantasizing about this possibility, trying to convince myself to be happy with Dunn because it just seemed too good to be true.

[Ericb5]

In fairness the 2nd pick this year is worth more than the uncertainty of possibly getting their pick next year. Do you feel the same way if that pick ends up being 14th?

my point is ingram wouldnt be a top 5 pick next year, and okafor would be a top 5 pick in almost any draft

this just isnt true. next years draft is way deeper but no prospect is certainly better than ingram at this point

That's hard to say. Ingram is a terrific prospect. However, I think that there are at least 3 players in next years draft that have a higher ceiling than him, as it stands today. They will have to have successful freshman years to stay ahead of him though.

I would say for sure that there are 6-7 players better than anyone after Simmons and Ingram though.

That's why I don't mind deferring the Lakers pick until next year. Even a pick in the 7-10 range next year will probably be in the same tier as the Murray's and Dunn's of the world.

I'm so pro Simmons that it can sound like I'm down on Ingram. I'm not. I like Ingram as much as I like Wiggins. I think that he can be an all star for sure, and can average over 20 points a game. I just see Simmons as a real and true franchise player. Someone who can be as good as Iverson or Barkley. Not that he necessarily WILL be that good, but that he CAN be that good.

[OleSchool]

Odom was a long player that could handle it, but he wasn't a distributor. He also was the athlete that Simmons is.

And on top of that, he was a knucklehead crack smoker.

There is one other factor. He just wasn't as good as Simmons.

You must not have watched Odom too much then, if that's your opinion of him.

Odom, in his prime was a top 10 - 15 player in the league during his time.

* note, I'm not saying Odom was a top 10 - 15 player of all time.

I watched plenty of Odom. I watched him as a freshman at Rhode Island too.

He was not a distributor by nature.

He had lots of skill, but he wasn't a superstar, and I think Simmons is a superstar. Sure it's an opinion, but that's all any of this is.

Simmons is the kind of player that you can build a team around. The fact that we can have him AND Embiid, who is an even better player, is ridiculous.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that we actually won the lottery and can get him.

For the last 6 months I was fantasizing about this possibility, trying to convince myself to be happy with Dunn because it just seemed too good to be true.

we'll just have to disagree about Simmons, cause I don't see what you see.

[76ciology]

The reason why your perception is Simmons is a franchise player and Ingram can't is because of the exposure they had in college.

The team was built for Simmons. They don't have a center so his rebounding numbers is SOMEWHAT padded. Jonathan Givony also said how he did some stat padding in some games. The team lacks talent so much that it revolves around Simmons. He's their PG on transition, C on defense and PF on halfcourt offense. That will get him those points, assists and rebounding numbers.

Ingram played on a team concept. But you can see Ingram's talent when he's comfortable scoring on PnR and Iso. He's not Marvin Williams, Tayshaun or Mike Dunleavy. He already has refined Iso, PnR and guard skills for his age.

What's the difference between odom and simmons? Simmons is quicker. Odom's also a better shooter.

[76ers 2020]

SImmons is a 20 point scorer with just his ability to get to the rim and the line. The harping over the jump shot is bizarre. Not even taking into account the play making abilities setting up others.

[76ciology]

SImmons is a 20 point scorer with just his ability to get to the rim and the line. The harping over the jump shot is bizarre. Not even taking into account the play making abilities setting up others.

And Ingram can't score 20 and set-up his teammates?

You'll have to hope simmons to be a lebron-ish shooter to be that guy. Ingram, you'll just have to have him pass more. Ingram is already THAT skilled of a scorer and is a willing passer. He scores/shoots like a guard. The only guy who can match-up size with him is KD.

[LongLiveHinkie]

He won't average 20 a game in the NBA just by driving. I think you're selling NBA caliber defense and coaching short. Plus it's not like the Sixers have a wide array of shooters to space the floor and open up driving lanes for him anyway. It's hard to average 20 a game at the NBA level. Defenders have to respect your ability to shoot somewhat.

Hell, I don't know if the guy can or can't shoot, the issue is he doesn't shoot. If he's not gonna take jumpers and always rely on driving, the NBA will figure him out real fast. It's not like he's Lebron quick or athletic. Hell, he's not even Blake Griffin quick or athletic.

[joyeuxnoel]

SImmons is a 20 point scorer with just his ability to get to the rim and the line. The harping over the jump shot is bizarre. Not even taking into account the play making abilities setting up others.

And Ingram can't score 20 and set-up his teammates?

You'll have to hope simmons to be a lebron-ish shooter to be that guy. Ingram, you'll just have to have him pass more. Ingram is already THAT skilled of a scorer and is a willing passer. He scores/shoots like a guard. The only guy who can match-up size with him is KD.

Does he though? Low FT% and meh 3 pt % for a guy who started slow and finished horribly

For all the talk about simmons dissapearing some games, ingram also sucked in many games.

Can he create enough spacing on his shots?

[snaquille oatmeal]

Odom was a long player that could handle it, but he wasn't a distributor. He also was the athlete that Simmons is.

And on top of that, he was a knucklehead crack smoker.

There is one other factor. He just wasn't as good as Simmons.

You must not have watched Odom too much then, if that's your opinion of him.

Odom, in his prime was a top 10 - 15 player in the league during his time.

* note, I'm not saying Odom was a top 10 - 15 player of all time.

I watched plenty of Odom. I watched him as a freshman at Rhode Island too.

He was not a distributor by nature.

He had lots of skill, but he wasn't a superstar, and I think Simmons is a superstar. Sure it's an opinion, but that's all any of this is.

Simmons is the kind of player that you can build a team around. The fact that we can have him AND Embiid, who is an even better player, is ridiculous.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that we actually won the lottery and can get him.

For the last 6 months I was fantasizing about this possibility, trying to convince myself to be happy with Dunn because it just seemed too good to be true.

I guess that's why Phil Jackson had him running the triangle offense at point forward

[76ciology]

SImmons is a 20 point scorer with just his ability to get to the rim and the line. The harping over the jump shot is bizarre. Not even taking into account the play making abilities setting up others.

And Ingram can't score 20 and set-up his teammates?

You'll have to hope simmons to be a lebron-ish shooter to be that guy. Ingram, you'll just have to have him pass more. Ingram is already THAT skilled of a scorer and is a willing passer. He scores/shoots like a guard. The only guy who can match-up size with him is KD.

Does he though? Low FT% and meh 3 pt % for a guy who started slow and finished horribly

For all the talk about simmons dissapearing some games, ingram also sucked in many games.

Can he create enough spacing on his shots?

Ingram shoots 41% from 3.

44% of offense comes from offense of a guard (PnR, Transition, hand-offs and Iso)

.94 points per possession on Iso vs KD @ .84

Can shoot/score anywhere

Tough to operate and score in the NBA when defenders don't respect your jumper. It's a big issue not to be disregarded.

[Ericb5]

The reason why your perception is Simmons is a franchise player and Ingram can't is because of the exposure they had in college.

The team was built for Simmons. They don't have a center so his rebounding numbers is SOMEWHAT padded. Jonathan Givony also said how he did some stat padding in some games. The team lacks talent so much that it revolves around Simmons. He's their PG on transition, C on defense and PF on halfcourt offense. That will get him those points, assists and rebounding numbers.

Ingram played on a team concept. But you can see Ingram's talent when he's comfortable scoring on PnR and Iso. He's not Marvin Williams, Tayshaun or Mike Dunleavy. He already has refined Iso, PnR and guard skills for his age.

What's the difference between odom and simmons? Simmons is quicker. Odom's also a better shooter.

People keep bringing up Odom and I think that is a lazy comparison. Just because he is the same size and could handle it doesn't make them similar.

Simmons is a point guard in a power forward's body. He was born to facilitate.

Some people are pro Ingram, some people are pro Simmons, and some people aren't sure. When it comes down to it though the Sixers will take Simmons simply because he is more talented. You don't want to be the gm that passed up in Simmons.

The conventional wisdom says take Simmons, AND the swinging for the fences wisdom says to take him too. He makes too much sense.