The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

Post #1441 » by **ATTL** » Thu May 19, 2016 2:24 am

I've been thinking Knight for okafor would fit what BC is looking for and opens time for Ben Simmons.

Cutter · Post #1442 » by **Cutter** » Thu May 19, 2016 2:30 am

If Sixers draft Simmons, I could see them making Saric available for the right deal.

Maybe something like Knight for Saric might interest BC.

DirtyDez · Post #1443 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu May 19, 2016 3:49 am

I would be all for acquiring Jah at the right price. The guy is a freak of nature and would wreck some these undersized 5's in today's game. Tyson is the perfect guy to mentor him.

TeamTragic · Post #1444 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:18 am

Did I click on the wrong forum? I thought this was about our offseason and not the Blazers. The fact that we are even discussing that franchise when they are light years beyond this team both in players and front office is ridiculous.

We passed on McCollum. Instead we chose Len and he is not much better than Lopez. How about that discussion?

TeamTragic · Post #1445 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:26 am

Absolutely. We definitely would love Okafor. What do you think Philly would want in that trade?

darealjuice · Post #1446 » by **darealjuice** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:57 am

I'd take Okafor or Saric without a doubt, and wouldn't say no to Embiid or Noel either. If we could do the 4th and 28/34th pick or a package involving Knight and the 13th pick, I'd be all for it. I get the feeling that Colangelo won't be looking for more picks though, and they're looking to start winning now, so I get the feeling it'd have to involve Knight or Bledsoe to bring one of them in, which I could live with if we still have the 4th pick.

darealjuice · Post #1447 » by **darealjuice** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:32 am

GoranTragic wrote:Did I click on the wrong forum? I thought this was about our offseason and not the Blazers. The fact that we are even discussing that franchise when they are light years beyond this team both in players and front office is ridiculous.

We passed on McCollum. Instead we chose Len and he is not much better than Lopez. How about that discussion?

Lol I don't think you have any idea where our franchise is right now.

9 other teams passed on McCollum for players that are all worse than him, including the #1 pick who isn't even in the NBA anymore, how about that discussion? That's the draft, nothing is ever for sure and players who teams think will successful bust all of the time, time to stop crying over spilled milk.

Post #1448 » by **bwgood77** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:36 am

GoranTragic wrote:Absolutely. We definitely would love Okafor. What do you think Philly would want in that trade?

Some of the Boston media analysts predicted that they would trade the #3 pick for Okafor and Philly would draft Dunn. I don't know what BC is thinking or if he'd rather have a vet. I don't know that they would trade Okafor though until they see Embiid in real game action and if he can stay healthy.

LukasBMW · Post #1449 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:41 am

I agree 100%.

And we have been trade partners with Philly before.

You could argue that with Colangelo on board, there is a good rapport with the Suns front office.

Given that Colangelo usually likes guys of high character, Okafor could be on the hotseat given his rookie antics and Brandon Knight and/or pick #4 (potentially buddy) in return makes sense given their work ethic and character.

Unfortunately from the Suns side, Okafor doesn't seem to fit. Despite the fact that he has an AWESOME post game and would make a great inside/outside combo with Booker, it seems the Suns view players like him as oldschool and would prefer a stretch 4/5. Ryan and Sarver seem focused on GSW and forget that another California team wearing yellow once won 3 NBA titles with a dominate low post scorer and a dominant #2 guard.

I'd honestly trade Knight AND #4 for Okafor, And I'd be ecstatic. If we can also get Saric back...that's just gravy.

Bledsoe/Price
Booker/Archie
TJ/PJ
Okafor/Leur/#13
Len/Chandler

Sarver and Ryan can still use #13 to draft a 4/5 with range.

TeamTragic · Post #1450 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:47 am

LukasBMW wrote:I agree 100%.

And we have been trade partners with Philly before.

You could argue that with Colangelo on board, there is a good rapport with the Suns front office.

Given that Colangelo usually likes guys of high character, Okafor could be on the hotseat given his rookie antics and Brandon Knight and/or pick #4 (potentially buddy) in return makes sense given their work ethic and character.

Unfortunately from the Suns side, Okafor doesn't seem to fit. Despite the fact that he has an AWESOME post game and would make a great inside/outside combo with Booker, it seems the Suns view players like him as oldschool and would prefer a stretch 4/5. Ryan and Sarver seem focused on GSW and forget that another California team wearing yellow once won 3 NBA titles with a dominate low post scorer and a dominant #2 guard.

I'd honestly trade Knight AND #4 for Okafor, And I'd be ecstatic. If we can also get Saric back...that's just gravy.

Bledsoe/Price
Booker/Archie
TJ/PJ
Okafor/Leur/#13
Len/Chandler

Sarver and Ryan can still use #13 to draft a 4/5 with range.

#4/Knight for Okafor/Saric? Get it done

P.S. Trade Tucker/Archie. Bring over Bogdan.

TeamTragic · Post #1451 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:52 am

darealjuice wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:Did I click on the wrong forum? I thought this was about our offseason and not the Blazers. The fact that we are even discussing that franchise when they are light years beyond this team both in players and front office is ridiculous.

We passed on McCollum. Instead we chose Len and he is not much better than Lopez. How about that discussion?

Lol I don't think you have any idea where our franchise is right now.

9 other teams passed on McCollum for players that are all worse than him, including the #1 pick who isn't even in the NBA anymore, how about that discussion? That's the draft, nothing is ever for sure and players who teams think will successful bust all of the time, time to stop crying over spilled milk.

Please enlighten me about where our franchise is right now. I don't care who was picked #1. I said we passed on McCollum because everyone was afraid he would be Kendall Marshall 2.0 (non-athletic guard).

We can blame our previous GM (Blanks) who was not only a clown but was paired up with Babby. Had this team actually drafted well we would be in a much better position.

At this point I say give Len one more season and if he doesn't step up ship him out.

TeamTragic · Post #1452 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:56 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:Absolutely. We definitely would love Okafor. What do you think Philly would want in that trade?

Some of the Boston media analysts predicted that they would trade the #3 pick for Okafor and Philly would draft Dunn. I don't know what BC is thinking or if he'd rather have a vet. I don't know that they would trade Okafor though until they see Embiid in real game action and if he can stay healthy.

Boston did say that if they don't get #1/#2 they would shore up their backcourt. Are they going after any FA this offseason?

darealjuice · Post #1453 » by **darealjuice** » Thu May 19, 2016 6:37 am

GoranTragic wrote:
darealjuice wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:Did I click on the wrong forum? I thought this was about our offseason and not the Blazers. The fact that we are even discussing that franchise when they are light years beyond this team both in players and front office is ridiculous.

We passed on McCollum. Instead we chose Len and he is not much better than Lopez. How about that discussion?

Lol I don't think you have any idea where our franchise is right now.

9 other teams passed on McCollum for players that are all worse than him, including the #1 pick who isn't even in the NBA anymore, how about that discussion? That's the draft, nothing is ever for sure and players who teams think will successful bust all of the time, time to stop crying over spilled milk.

Please enlighten me about where our is franchise is right now. I don't care who was picked #1. I said we passed on McCollum because everyone was afraid he would be Kendall Marshall 2.0 (non-athletic guard).

We can blame our previous GM (Blanks) who was not only a clown but was paired up with Babby. Had this team actually drafted well we would be in a much better position.

At this point I say give Len one more season and if he doesn't step up ship him out.

Sure, I'll bite. In terms of record, if we're healthy next year we'll be where we have been for the last 6 years, right in the middle of the pack. But unlike the Babby era, we're set up well for the future right now. We have 10 first draft picks in the next 5 drafts, a potential franchise player in Booker (and even if he doesn't reach that level, he'll be a very good NBA player), young talent in TJ Warren and Alex Len (although my patience is starting to run out with his development), talented young guards and potential trade pieces in Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, and veteran leadership to steer all of our incoming young talent in the right direction in Tyson Chandler and PJ Tucker. Some of them, especially Tyson Chandler, are on not-so-attractive contracts right now, but once the cap goes up next year and we see the Dellavadovas and Conleys of the NBA getting $8-10 million/year contracts and $20+ million/year respectively in Free Agency, they'll start to look a lot better. We have a good collection of assets right now, so there's hope that he can pile something together and get us another high talent young player to go with Booker, Warren, and maybe Len. The Blazers are definitely ahead of us in terms of competing for a title, but our franchise isn't as deep in the hole as you seem to think, and if we draft well, keep players happy, and play our cards right we can get there.

I agree we drafted like **** in the Blanks/Babby era, that's why we are where we are now. But even with all of the drama with Dragic, the Morrii, etc. etc. we've rebounded from some of the mess Blanks and Babby made relatively well. I'm not saying we're title contenders in 3 years or anything like that, but we're not the steaming pile of crap some people seem to think we are after the ticking time bomb that was Markieff exploded and half our team got severely injured last year. It was a blessing in disguise to tank last year, even if we didn't end up in the top 2 like we had hoped.

I'm inclined to agree with you about Len though, he shows some improvement every year, but not near enough to become what we want as our starting center of the future. If he's starting next year and doesn't average at least 12 points and 10 rebounds on at least 50% shooting then we should draft his replacement or replace him in free agency. His finishing at the rim and post game are mediocre, he has like no confidence in his jump shot and tends to fade unnecessarily, he gets in foul trouble too much, and his rim protection didn't seem as good as previous years.

Damkac · Post #1454 » by **Damkac** » Thu May 19, 2016 6:50 am

What was the point of trading Morris twins if Suns would acquire another thug?

DRK · Post #1455 » by **DRK** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:20 am

I would do Tyson Chandler, #4 and #13 for Jahlil and Covington.

Chandler can help mentor Noel and Embiid, and we shed salary.Philly also hit the salary cap floor with Chandler's contract. They also get two more lottery picks, and PHI can select Dunn as their PG of the future.

We get a 3+D player in RoCo and get a future building block at C in Jahlil.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1456 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu May 19, 2016 9:57 am

I prefer Ellenson to Jahlil. Jahlil's a pure 5 - we'd have to move Len to bring him in. Ellenson can play 4 and 5, shoot the long ball, will probably board just as well, should be at least as good defensively.

I like the IDEA of making a deal with a team that has too many bigs, but the problem is Philly's bigs - they're simply not the players we need, with the possible exception of Saric. Philly fans are really high on him, though, and seem to prefer to move Jahlil or Noel. Of the two, Noel's the better fit, but he'd be taking Len's place. I'd like to give Alex more time.

Not bad in theory, it just doesn't work out when you get into the particulars, imo.

Post #1457 » by **bwgood77** » Thu May 19, 2016 2:16 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:Absolutely. We definitely would love Okafor. What do you think Philly would want in that trade?

Some of the Boston media analysts predicted that they would trade the #3 pick for Okafor and Philly would draft Dunn. I don't know what BC is thinking or if he'd rather have a vet. I don't know that they would trade Okafor though until they see Embiid in real game action and if he can stay healthy.

Boston did say that if they don't get #1/#2 they would shore up their backcourt. Are they going after any FA this offseason?

Well that's according to Ford who isn't terribly reliable. Makes sense to me for shooting but they also need a PF. Most fans want Bender.

Boston will try and swing a major trade with some of their picks and players first though and then try in FA.

alphagorilla · Post #1458 » by **alphagorilla** » Thu May 19, 2016 2:59 pm

Bledsoe, #4, Warren for Clarkson, SwagyP, #2. Lakers get a win now PG who can play with Snitch and make the Lakers more attractive for FA. They have already said that they are open to trade the pick. Suns get a young PG who will be RFA and get ether Ingram or Simmons to build the future next to Booker. What do you guys think, possible?

TheXgasm · Post #1459 » by **TheXgasm** » Thu May 19, 2016 3:30 pm

alphagorilla wrote:Bledsoe, #4, Warren for Clarkson, SwagyP, #2. Lakers get a win now PG who can play with Snitch and make the Lakers more attractive for FA. They have already said that they are open to trade the pick. Suns get a young PG who will be RFA and get ether Ingram or Simmons to build the future next to Booker. What do you guys think, possible?

Never trade with the Lakers.

AtheJ415 · Post #1460 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:32 pm

I'd be open to trading for Okafor or Saric, but I wouldn't want to give up a lot. Okafor isn't really a player of need since it creates an issue with Len, and Okafor has never shown interest in playing defense, so we'd have to run the offense around him to be effective, when our best bet is to run the offense around Booker. I think with Warren and Booker, we really need guys who can make an impact defensively at the 4 and 5, while also being athletic enough to run the court and not kill our spacing/no non-shooters. Len fits that. Some of the PFs available in the draft and FA fit that too.

Saric makes a lot of sense for us since he's a 4. I don't know if they'd take Knight straight up for him. I don't see the logic in including any of our guys on rookie deals for Saric.