The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[AtheJ415]

I would do Tyson Chandler, #4 and #13 for Jahlil and Covington.

Chandler can help mentor Noel and Embiid, and we shed salary.Philly also hit the salary cap floor with Chandler's contract. They also get two more lottery picks, and PHI can select Dunn as their PG of the future.

We get a 3+D player in RoCo and get a future building block at C in Jahlil.

I would try to get McConnell in this scenario, and throw in somebody like Tucker.

[AtheJ415]

Let's trade Chandler and Tucker for Adams. Would OKC do that?

[NTB]

Get Batum
Draft Bender or Brown
Trade Knight for a wing or PF.

A+ offseason for me.

[Saberestar]

[Woj] Suns may target Jimmy Butler with picks, will be aggressive in targeting star.

https://sports.yahoo.com/video/vertical-draft-lottery-show-205210503.html

[rsavaj]

Knight+28 for Okafor, Knight + ? for Saric...I'd be down. Just not sure Colangelo is that dumb.

[alphagorilla]

[Woj] Suns may target Jimmy Butler with picks, will be aggressive in targeting star.

https://sports.yahoo.com/video/vertical-draft-lottery-show-205210503.html

Love it

[letsgosuns]

[Woj] Suns may target Jimmy Butler with picks, will be aggressive in targeting star.

https://sports.yahoo.com/video/vertical-draft-lottery-show-205210503.html

There it is.

[Kerrsed]

[Woj] Suns may target Jimmy Butler with picks, will be aggressive in targeting star.

https://sports.yahoo.com/video/vertical-draft-lottery-show-205210503.html

Butler will totally cost us our #4 pick (along with either Bledsoe or Knight). They will ask for Booker, we will counter offer with Warren or Goodwin. With Noah most likely being gone and Gasol being toast, Chicago will also want Len added to the deal. Butler will be very expensive for us to obtain, but if we could possibly go forward with a Bledsoe/Booker/Butler core going forward, i would be ecstatic with the Killer B's.

Knight/Len/Warren/#4 for Butler/#14

From there maybe go after a FA like Horford?

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Horford/Chandler

IDK.

With Butler and Horford on board we could........wait for it........


.......wait for it.........


.....ready to hate me?




.......wait for it some more........




....sign Howard to a low cost deal. Look, Howard is what he is. Is he a good rebounder? Hell yeah. Is he a competent defender? Totally. Is he a 1st or 2nd scoring option for a winning team? Nope. With the line-up i posted would we need him to be a 1st or 2nd option? Not at all. We just need him to do what he is still good at, grabbing rebounds, being a defensive threat, and providing a presence in the paint. He's already made a ton of money, tried his hand at being the face of "Winning franchises", now see what he can do with actual good teammates that play both to his strengths and weaknesses (all the while playing along with his buddy Horford).

Use both the #13 and #14 draft picks to snag a back-up PG. Trade both picks to move up and take Dunn or Murry if they fall down the board (which may happen due to teams already having young starting caliber PG's) or use one of those picks to reach for Dejounte Murray, who will need plenty of time to develop and mature, but has a very high ceiling.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Horford/Howard ------- (Draft PG)/Goodwin/Tucker/(Draft PF)/Chandler

Ok, flame on!

[letsgosuns]

Woj said in that video the Suns will be aggressive trying to acquire a star and will target Jimmy Butler, but it remains to be seen if he is actually available. He mentioned the Suns will also try to use the future first round picks they own as well. Now that the draft order has been set and arguably the best player available at the Suns spot could be a point guard, I think it is understandable the Suns might trade the pick.

[TeamTragic]

Lol I don't think you have any idea where our franchise is right now.

9 other teams passed on McCollum for players that are all worse than him, including the #1 pick who isn't even in the NBA anymore, how about that discussion? That's the draft, nothing is ever for sure and players who teams think will successful bust all of the time, time to stop crying over spilled milk.

Please enlighten me about where our franchise is right now. I don't care who was picked #1. I said we passed on McCollum because everyone was afraid he would be Kendall Marshall 2.0 (non-athletic guard).

We can blame our previous GM (Blanks) who was not only a clown but was paired up with Babby. Had this team actually drafted well we would be in a much better position.

At this point I say give Len one more season and if he doesn't step up ship him out.

Sure, I'll bite. In terms of record, if we're healthy next year we'll be where we have been for the last 6 years, right in the middle of the pack. But unlike the Babby era, we're set up well for the future right now. We have 10 first draft picks in the next 5 drafts, a potential franchise player in Booker (and even if he doesn't reach that level, he'll be a very good NBA player), young talent in TJ Warren and Alex Len (although my patience is starting to run out with his development), talented young guards and potential trade pieces in Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, and veteran leadership to steer all of our incoming young talent in the right direction in Tyson Chandler and PJ Tucker. Some of them, especially Tyson Chandler, are on not-so-attractive contracts right now, but once the cap goes up next year and we see the Dellavadovas and Conleys of the NBA getting $8-10 million/year contracts and $20+ million/year respectively in Free Agency, they'll start to look a lot better. We have a good collection of assets right now, so there's hope that he can pile something together and get us another high talent young player to go with Booker, Warren, and maybe Len. The Blazers are definitely ahead of us in terms of competing for a title, but our franchise isn't as deep in the hole as you seem to think, and if we draft well, keep players happy, and play our cards right we can get there.

I agree we drafted like **** in the Blanks/Babby era, that's why we are where we are now. But even with all of the drama with Dragic, the Morrii, etc. etc. we've rebounded from some of the mess Blanks and Babby made relatively well. I'm not saying we're title contenders in 3 years or anything like that, but we're not the steaming pile of crap some people seem to think we are after the ticking time bomb that was Markieff exploded and half our team got severely injured last year. It was a blessing in disguise to tank last year, even if we didn't end up in the top 2 like we had hoped.

I'm inclined to agree with you about Len though, he shows some improvement every year, but not near enough to become what we want as our starting center of the future. If he's starting next year and doesn't average at least 12 points and 10 rebounds on at least 50% shooting then we should draft his replacement or replace him in free agency. His finishing at the rim and post game are mediocre, he has like no confidence in his jump shot and tends to fade unnecessarily, he gets in foul trouble too much, and his rim protection didn't seem as good as previous years.

Well done. Welcome to the board

[Woj] Suns may target Jimmy Butler with picks, will be aggressive in targeting star.

https://sports.yahoo.com/video/vertical-draft-lottery-show-205210503.html

Butler will totally cost us our #4 pick (along with either Bledsoe or Knight). They will ask for Booker, we will counter offer with Warren or Goodwin. With Noah most likely being gone and Gasol being toast, Chicago will also want Len added to the deal. Butler will be very expensive for us to obtain, but if we could possibly go forward with a Bledsoe/Booker/Butler core going forward, i would be ecstatic with the Killer B's.

Knight/Len/Warren/#4 for Butler/#14

From there maybe go after a FA like Horford?

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Horford/Chandler

IDK.

With Butler and Horford on board we could........wait for it........


.......wait for it.........


.....ready to hate me?




.......wait for it some more........




....sign Howard to a low cost deal. Look, Howard is what he is. Is he a good rebounder? Hell yeah. Is he a competent defender? Totally. Is he a 1st or 2nd scoring option for a winning team? Nope. With the line-up i posted would we need him to be a 1st or 2nd option? Not at all. We just need him to do what he is still good at, grabbing rebounds, being a defensive threat, and providing a presence in the paint. He's already made a ton of money, tried his hand at being the face of "Winning franchises", now see what he can do with actual good teammates that play both to his strengths and weaknesses (all the while playing along with his buddy Horford).

Use both the #13 and #14 draft picks to snag a back-up PG. Trade both picks to move up and take Dunn or Murry if they fall down the board (which may happen due to teams already having young starting caliber PG's) or use one of those picks to reach for Dejounte Murray, who will need plenty of time to develop and mature, but has a very high ceiling.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Horford/Howard ------- (Draft PG)/Goodwin/Tucker/(Draft PF)/Chandler

Ok, flame on!

Adding Butler/Horford in the offseason? Killer. We need to move Goodwin/Tucker/Knight. Do we need to include Len in the trade? I think we can flip him for a future pick or bring him off the bench.

Definitely love that deal even though Howard is garbage. What makes you think he will accept a lower salary?

[rsavaj]

[Woj] Suns may target Jimmy Butler with picks, will be aggressive in targeting star.

https://sports.yahoo.com/video/vertical-draft-lottery-show-205210503.html

Butler will totally cost us our #4 pick (along with either Bledsoe or Knight). They will ask for Booker, we will counter offer with Warren or Goodwin. With Noah most likely being gone and Gasol being toast, Chicago will also want Len added to the deal. Butler will be very expensive for us to obtain, but if we could possibly go forward with a Bledsoe/Booker/Butler core going forward, i would be ecstatic with the Killer B's.

Knight/Len/Warren/#4 for Butler/#14

From there maybe go after a FA like Horford?

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Horford/Chandler

IDK.

With Butler and Horford on board we could........wait for it........


.......wait for it.........


.....ready to hate me?




.......wait for it some more........




....sign Howard to a low cost deal. Look, Howard is what he is. Is he a good rebounder? Hell yeah. Is he a competent defender? Totally. Is he a 1st or 2nd scoring option for a winning team? Nope. With the line-up i posted would we need him to be a 1st or 2nd option? Not at all. We just need him to do what he is still good at, grabbing rebounds, being a defensive threat, and providing a presence in the paint. He's already made a ton of money, tried his hand at being the face of "Winning franchises", now see what he can do with actual good teammates that play both to his strengths and weaknesses (all the while playing along with his buddy Horford).

Use both the #13 and #14 draft picks to snag a back-up PG. Trade both picks to move up and take Dunn or Murry if they fall down the board (which may happen due to teams already having young starting caliber PG's) or use one of those picks to reach for Dejounte Murray, who will need plenty of time to develop and mature, but has a very high ceiling.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Horford/Howard ------- (Draft PG)/Goodwin/Tucker/(Draft PF)/Chandler

Ok, flame on!

you know why I don't want Dwight Howard? It's not even the fact that he's not a franchise dude anymore. It's the fact that he doesn't know his role, doesn't know his strengths and weaknesses, and has an overinflated sense of his skills. Today he complained about not getting enough touches in Houston, when it turns out he almost had the most post touches in the LEAGUE. They gave him the ball in the post plenty of times...he just sucks at it.

Give me a dude who knows his role and accepts that his ONLY job is gonna be to guard the rim and rebound over Dwight Howard any day.

The rest of your plan is very solid. I think it'll take a lot more to get Butler, especially since Boston has a ton of assets, and Philly/LA can offer Ingram or Simmons. Still, I'd give up pretty much anything to create a Blesoe/Booker/Butler trio. Throw every pick we have in there. Get Butler and then figure out the rest from there.

[thamadkant]

I mentioned Suns trading for Butler in the draft thread and i believe they will try for sure.



Then i can see them signing Barnes.

Barnes... To me looks like a smaller more modern version of Robert Horry.... Horry was 6'10 with ling arms and had SF/PF skills... Barnes is similar... His defense is bad against taller players though. But against other wings... He is good.

If not.. Like if Barnes wants too much money... Go for Batum.


Have to move one of Knight or Bledsoe though... To open up minutes for Warren... Assuming Butler can be had.... As he can play SG and SF.

[thamadkant]

Knight and Pick 12 for Okafor more like it.

[TeamTragic]

I mentioned Suns trading for Butler in the draft thread and i believe they will try for sure.



Then i can see them signing Barnes.

Barnes... To me looks like a smaller more modern version of Robert Horry.... Horry was 6'10 with ling arms and had SF/PF skills... Barnes is similar... His defense is bad against taller players though. But against other wings... He is good.

If not.. Like if Barnes wants too much money... Go for Batum.


Have to move one of Knight or Bledsoe though... To open up minutes for Warren... Assuming Butler can be had.... As he can play SG and SF.

Warriors will max out Barnes. I don't see them getting Durant. Besides that would be a massive overpay for this franchise.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Knight, #4, Len and MIA '18 is the offer I make. See if another team can beat it. Take Sabonis at #13. Under no circumstance do I include Warren in the deal.

[Dr Manute]

Knight and Archie for Saric. Please!

[Kerrsed]

Adding Butler/Horford/Howard in the offseason? Killer. We need to move Goodwin/Tucker. Can we flip Len for a future pick or do we bring him off the bench?

Definitely love that deal even though Howard is garbage

IMHO Len will HAVE to be included in the deal to obtain Butler.

As for Howard, he is only garbage if you compare him to the player that he once was and the player everybody thought he would be. If he understands his role on the team (being a rebounder and defender) and realizes that he isnt going to be the #2 scoring option, he will be extremely serviceable.

you know why I don't want Dwight Howard? It's not even the fact that he's not a franchise dude anymore. It's the fact that he doesn't know his role, doesn't know his strengths and weaknesses, and has an overinflated sense of his skills. Today he complained about not getting enough touches in Houston, when it turns out he almost had the most post touches in the LEAGUE. They gave him the ball in the post plenty of times...he just sucks at it.

Give me a dude who knows his role and accepts that his ONLY job is gonna be to guard the rim and rebound over Dwight Howard any day.

The rest of your plan is very solid. I think it'll take a lot more to get Butler, especially since Boston has a ton of assets, and Philly/LA can offer Ingram or Simmons. Still, I'd give up pretty much anything to create a Blesoe/Booker/Butler trio. Throw every pick we have in there. Get Butler and then figure out the rest from there.

See, i think what happened in Houston helped create the problem with Howard. I think they talked him up and made him feel like he was going to be the man in Houston, told him everything he wanted to hear so they could sign him, then tried to pull a bit of a switch-a-roo on him. Thats where todays story comes from. Sounds very very similar to what we did with Isiah Thomas. We made him feel like he was going to be the man for us, but once Bledsoe was re-signed and Dragic was on board, things changed. In a way we also did the same thing to Dragic. Both Goran and IT had very very similar quotes/stories that echo what Howard said about not knowing his role.

I also think it was a major hit to his ego being told he was going to be the man, coming onto the team being the 2nd best player, then becoming the 4th option on offense. With my trade idea, he would know that he isnt the 2nd option as he isnt even the 2nd (3rd or 4th) best player in the starting 5. Be straight up with him when trying to sign him and explain what his role would be and why it would work the best for our team. We need to start being honest with guys instead of telling them what they want to hear, then saying and doing something else the moment they are signed.

[Walt_Uoob]

[Woj] Suns may target Jimmy Butler with picks, will be aggressive in targeting star.

https://sports.yahoo.com/video/vertical-draft-lottery-show-205210503.html

Butler will totally cost us our #4 pick (along with either Bledsoe or Knight). They will ask for Booker, we will counter offer with Warren or Goodwin. With Noah most likely being gone and Gasol being toast, Chicago will also want Len added to the deal. Butler will be very expensive for us to obtain, but if we could possibly go forward with a Bledsoe/Booker/Butler core going forward, i would be ecstatic with the Killer B's.

Knight/Len/Warren/#4 for Butler/#14

At first I thought that sounded like too much for Butler but it is really hard to land a TWO-WAY star and Butler would give us that. I would love to keep Len though. I think there's still a good chance it all comes together for him and I would hate for it to happen on another team. Bledsoe-Booker-Butler-XXX-Len would be a really nice core with shooting, slashing, athleticism, and plus defenders at at least three positions.

[Kerrsed]

Whiteside is also available as a FA this year. Who knows what Miami is planning on doing this season with questions about Bosh and Wade being another year older and a FA as well.

Whiteside could rebound and defend (block shots) just as good as Howard, but surprisingly Miami was better on defense with Whiteside ON THE BENCH.

Weird.

But still, if we lose Len in a Butler trade, Whiteside could be a fee-sable option for us.

[letsgosuns]

I mentioned Suns trading for Butler in the draft thread and i believe they will try for sure.



Then i can see them signing Barnes.

Barnes... To me looks like a smaller more modern version of Robert Horry.... Horry was 6'10 with ling arms and had SF/PF skills... Barnes is similar... His defense is bad against taller players though. But against other wings... He is good.

If not.. Like if Barnes wants too much money... Go for Batum.


Have to move one of Knight or Bledsoe though... To open up minutes for Warren... Assuming Butler can be had.... As he can play SG and SF.

If the Suns get Jimmy Butler, I think they will slot him at small forward since he is 6'7" and start Booker at shooting guard. I do not know if they would then go after Batum or Barnes because the biggest need by far would be a power forward. Plus I do not think they want to send Booker to the bench.

The big thing is that the Suns need to be cautious on what they are willing to give up in a trade. I am extremely hesitant to include any players other than Knight, Tucker, or Goodwin. If the Suns gave the Bulls a package of the 4th pick, the 2018 top-7 protected Miami pick, plus Knight, Tucker, and maybe Goodwin, that is a five for one deal. Pretty good deal. The reason I am not inclined to give up Len or Warren or more than two picks is because I am thinking about what the Diamondbacks just did. That Shelby Miller trade looks horrible right now. The team gave up so much for a young pitcher they thought was an ace. I would hate for the Suns to do a similar thing like that and get back Butler and not see an improvement of wins.

Let's be clear who Butler is. He is awesome and an all-star but he is not Curry, Lebron, or Durant. There is a reason he might be available in a trade at 26 years old and locked up long-term. Teams usually do not have discord with a true superstar like the ones I just mentioned or have persistent trade rumors about their star unless they are willing to deal him. The Suns have the pick and player package the Bulls would probably want and also offer something the Celtics cannot. That is the fact that the Bulls would be shipping Butler to the Western Conference. They most likely have no interest in shipping him to their rival and potentially have to play him in the playoffs for several years.