Piston All-time Fantasy *Player Pool and Sign Up*

Laimbeer · Post #1 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:14 pm

Further discussion of the project started here...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1444549

Participants (please let us know in this thread if you would like to be added):
Pharaoh
Snakebites
Lionlifer
RexRyan
Warspite
Han Solo
Laimbeer
Timmaytime

Please do not sign up unless you can commit to finishing.

Player Pool

General consensus was post merger players with as much significance as possible with the Pistons. Lanier, Bing, and Debusschere were included since they were so iconic and add interest. I also showed bias to recent players! This will hopefully add depth and interest as well. Comments and suggestions needed and welcome regarding additions and deletions. These can be shuffled between positions depending on the number of participants, rules for drafting, and how many players we select per team (5,8,10?). I imagine the more participants, the less players per team.

Centers (19)

Andre Drummond
Greg Monroe
Ben Wallace
Theo Ratliff
Bill Laimbeer
Olden Polynice
James Edwards
Kent Benson
Earl Cureton
Paul Mokeski
Bob Lanier
Aron Baynes
Mark West
Amir Johnson
Eric Montross
Elden Campbell
Christian Laettner
Leon Douglas
Nazr Mohammed

Power Forwards (19)

Dave Debusschere
Anthony Tolliver
Jonas Jerebko
Josh Smith
Charlie Villanueva
Jason Maxiell
Rasheed Wallace
Antonio McDyess
Mehmet Okur
Clifford Robinson
Tobias Harris
Terry Mills
Bison Dele
Rick Mahorn
Otis Thorpe
John Salley
Cliff Levingston
Ersan Ilyasova
Chris Webber

Small forwards (18)

Marcus Morris
Tayshaun Prince
Kyle Singler
Austin Daye
Corliss Williamson
Jerome Williams
Grant Hill
Sean Elliott
Dennis Rodman
Mark Aguirre
Orlando Woolridge
Adrian Dantley
Kelly Tripucka
M.L. Carr
Stanley Johnson
Caron Butler
Terry Tyler
Phil Hubbard

Shooting Guards (18)

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Ben Gordon
Richard Hamilton
Carlos Delfino
Michael Curry
Jon Barry
Jerry Stackhouse
Jud Buechler
Allan Houston
Arron Afflalo
Vinnie Johnson
John Long
Ron Lee
Chris Ford
Jodie Meeks
Joe Dumars
Allen Iverson
Tracy McGrady

Point Guards (19)

Brandon Jennings
Reggie Jackson
Chauncey Billups
Rodney Stuckey
Will Bynum
Brandon Knight
Chucky Atkins
Lindsey Hunter
Isiah Thomas
Eric Money
Kevin Porter
Dave Bing
DJ Augustine
Jose Calderon
Steve Blake
Flip Murray
Dana Barros
Mike James
Darrell Walker

Lionlifer · Post #2 » by **Lionlifer** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:29 pm

No love for AI, TMAC, Webber, Coleman?

Laimbeer · Post #3 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:34 pm

Lionlifer wrote:No love for AI, TMAC, Webber, Coleman?

Definitely an area for discussion. Does the marquee value of their name overshadow what they actually were as Pistons? That was the concern.

Post #4 » by **Snakebites** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:37 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Further discussion of the project started here...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1444549

Participants (please let us know in this thread if you would like to be added):
Pharaoh
Snakebites
Lionlifer

Please do not sign up unless you can commit to finishing.

Player Pool

General consensus was post merger players with as much significance as possible with the Pistons. Lanier, Bing, and Debusschere were included since they were so iconic and add interest. I also showed bias to recent players! This will hopefully add depth and interest as well. Comments and suggestions needed and welcome regarding additions and deletions. These can be shuffled between positions depending on the number of participants, rules for drafting, and how many players we select per team (5,8,10?). I imagine the more participants, the less players per team.

Centers

Andre Drummond
Greg Monroe
Ben Wallace
Theo Ratliff
Bill Laimbeer
Olden Polynice
James Edwards
Kent Benson
Earl Cureton
Paul Mokeski
Bob Lanier
Aron Baynes

Power Forwards

Dave Debusschere
Anthony Tolliver
Jonas Jerebko
Josh Smith
Charlie Villanueva
Jason Maxiell
Rasheed Wallace
Antonio McDyess
Mehmet Okur
Clifford Robinson
Don Reid
Terry Mills
Christian Laettner
Bison Dele
Rick Mahorn
Otis Thorpe
John Salley
Terry Tyler
Cliff Levingston
Phil Hubbard
Leon Douglas
John Shumate

Small forwards

Marcus Morris
Tayshaun Prince
Kyle Singler
Austin Daye
Corliss Williamson
Jerome Williams
Grant Hill
Sean Elliott
Dennis Rodman
Mark Aguirre
Orlando Woolridge
Adrian Dantley
Kelly Tripucka
M.L. Carr
Stanley Johnson

Shooting Guards

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Ben Gordon
Richard Hamilton
Carlos Delfino
Michael Curry
Jon Barry
Jerry Stackhouse
Jud Buechler
Allan Houston
Vinnie Johnson
John Long
Ron Lee
Chris Ford

Point Guards

Brandon Jennings
Reggie Jackson
Chauncey Billups
Rodney Stuckey
Will Bynum
Brandon Knight
Chucky Atkins
Lindsey Hunter
Joe Dumars
Isiah Thomas
Eric Money
Kevin Porter
Dave Bing
DJ Augustine

I believe Warspite was interested. Also, aren't you doing it?

Post #5 » by **Snakebites** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:38 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Lionlifer wrote:No love for AI, TMAC, Webber, Coleman?

Definitely an area for discussion. Does the marquee value of their name overshadow what they actually were as Pistons? That was the concern.

I think anyone who played a season with us should be drafteble, as long as the understanding is that you're drafting the version of the player that actually played for us- not the prime version who actually played for someone else.

Personally, I won't be touching any of the mentioned players, but I could see someone wanting to sell AI.

RexRyan · Post #6 » by **RexRyan** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:39 pm

You had me at 'Olden Polynice' - I want in!

Laimbeer · Post #7 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:45 pm

Spoiler:

Warspite is very welcome, I just didn't see him explicitly say he was interested. If I'm running it I'd prefer to do just that.

Post #8 » by **Snakebites** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:47 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Spoiler:
Snakebites wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Further discussion of the project started here...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1444549

Participants (please let us know in this thread if you would like to be added):
Pharaoh
Snakebites
Lionlifer

Please do not sign up unless you can commit to finishing.

Player Pool

General consensus was post merger players with as much significance as possible with the Pistons. Lanier, Bing, and Debusschere were included since they were so iconic and add interest. I also showed bias to recent players! This will hopefully add depth and interest as well. Comments and suggestions needed and welcome regarding additions and deletions. These can be shuffled between positions depending on the number of participants, rules for drafting, and how many players we select per team (5,8,10?). I imagine the more participants, the less players per team.

Centers

Andre Drummond
Greg Monroe
Ben Wallace
Theo Ratliff
Bill Laimbeer
Olden Polynice
James Edwards
Kent Benson
Earl Cureton
Paul Mokeski
Bob Lanier
Aron Baynes

Power Forwards

Dave Debusschere
Anthony Tolliver
Jonas Jerebko
Josh Smith
Charlie Villanueva
Jason Maxiell
Rasheed Wallace
Antonio McDyess
Mehmet Okur
Clifford Robinson
Don Reid
Terry Mills
Christian Laettner
Bison Dele
Rick Mahorn
Otis Thorpe
John Salley
Terry Tyler
Cliff Levingston
Phil Hubbard
Leon Douglas
John Shumate

Small forwards

Marcus Morris
Tayshaun Prince
Kyle Singler
Austin Daye
Corliss Williamson
Jerome Williams
Grant Hill
Sean Elliott
Dennis Rodman
Mark Aguirre
Orlando Woolridge
Adrian Dantley
Kelly Tripucka
M.L. Carr
Stanley Johnson

Shooting Guards

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Ben Gordon
Richard Hamilton
Carlos Delfino
Michael Curry
Jon Barry
Jerry Stackhouse
Jud Buechler
Allan Houston
Vinnie Johnson
John Long
Ron Lee
Chris Ford

Point Guards

Brandon Jennings
Reggie Jackson
Chauncey Billups
Rodney Stuckey
Will Bynum
Brandon Knight
Chucky Atkins
Lindsey Hunter
Joe Dumars
Isiah Thomas
Eric Money
Kevin Porter
Dave Bing
DJ Augustine

I believe Warspite was interested. Also, aren't you doing it?

Warspite is very welcome, I just didn't see him explicitly say he was interested. If I'm running it I'd prefer to do just that.

I guess I just assumed he was in. He and I actually have a long history doing drafts like this.

Laimbeer · Post #9 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:48 pm

Snakebites wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Lionlifer wrote:No love for AI, TMAC, Webber, Coleman?

Definitely an area for discussion. Does the marquee value of their name overshadow what they actually were as Pistons? That was the concern.

I think anyone who played a season with us should be drafteble, as long as the understanding is that you're drafting the version of the player that actually played for us- not the prime version who actually played for someone else.

Personally, I won't be touching any of the mentioned players, but I could see someone wanting to sell AI.

Coleman played 50 minutes as a Piston - that's just a bridge too far. But Iverson, TMac, McAdoo, and Webber I'm open to if the group wants them.

RexRyan · Post #10 » by **RexRyan** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:52 pm

Can we add Jose Calderon and Steve Blake? I need a couple white guys at point guard for my team. John Crotty and Bob Sura will work too.

Laimbeer · Post #11 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu May 19, 2016 7:55 pm

Snakebites wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Spoiler:
Snakebites wrote:
I believe Warspite was interested. Also, aren't you doing it?

Warspite is very welcome, I just didn't see him explicitly say he was interested. If I'm running it I'd prefer to do just that.

I guess I just assumed he was in. He and I actually have a long history doing drafts like this.

OK he's drafted and will have to opt out if he doesn't want to. :lol:

Warspite · Post #12 » by **Warspite** » Thu May 19, 2016 8:32 pm

of course I'm in. I'm already working on a mock draft. The SF again seems to have great value. Even the bigmen seem pretty talented. Who here doesn't think Terry Mills couldnt have been a stretch 4 nightmare playing today?

bballnmike · Post #13 » by **bballnmike** » Thu May 19, 2016 9:49 pm

Curious, using this player pool, what's the weakest starting 5 you could build? (probably mostly guys from the past 7 years I'd assume)

Go!

Han Solo · Post #14 » by **Han Solo** » Thu May 19, 2016 10:02 pm

I want in.

RexRyan · Post #15 » by **RexRyan** » Thu May 19, 2016 10:26 pm

bballnmike wrote:Curious, using this player pool, what's the weakest starting 5 you could build? (probably mostly guys from the past 7 years I'd assume)

Go!

How about a lineup of

Bynum
Buechler
Daye
Reid
Mokeski

This group loses to today's Sixers by at least forty!

Post #16 » by **Snakebites** » Thu May 19, 2016 10:37 pm

Just to clarify, you ARE playing, right Laimbeer?

If you are, we now have 7 people with Han Solo added to the mix. I think one more would give us the perfect number, not sure I'm comfortable with more than 8 for this draft pool.

Post #17 » by **Snakebites** » Thu May 19, 2016 10:51 pm

Most hated team of all time:

PG: Allen Iverson
SG: Flip Murray (who should be in the pool, btw)
SF: Josh Smith
PF: Charlie Villanueva (nice guy, hated him as a player
C: Christian Laettner

Irony is Laettner might actually be a useful player on the right team and I could even see myself drafting him at some point, I just so personally disliked him when he was here.

And really, Iverson absolutely needs to be in this pool. Sure, he's predominantly known as a non Piston, but you can say the same for guys like Antonio McDyess, Theo Ratliff, heck, even dudes like Adrian Dantley and Mark Aguirre. All of those guys had both longer and far more successful stints with other teams. Heck, Sean Elliott is almost like the SF version of Iverson- never really bought into being here and was gone in a year!

Chris Webber is more of a gray area since he never played anything close to a full season with us (43 games to Iverson's 54, and Iverson was traded to us 2 days into the season). Would I draft him? No. Could I see someone else trying to sell him? Probably. He never really fit in with the group we had in place.

I envision 8 teams with 8 to 10 guys per team. Part of the challenge will be finding bench players with limited abilities who complement the rest of the team. Still unsure whether I'd rather have a high pick or a low pick, but I assume the randomizer will decide that.

BadMofoPimp · Post #18 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu May 19, 2016 11:22 pm

Not my thing, but you should put in William Bedford!

Pharaoh · Post #19 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu May 19, 2016 11:54 pm

If we can't get anyone else can't we just roll with 7?

Probably only pick 8 or 9 guys too so we all have an actual rotation

Laimbeer · Post #20 » by **Laimbeer** » Fri May 20, 2016 12:45 am

Pharaoh wrote:If we can't get anyone else can't we just roll with 7?

Probably only pick 8 or 9 guys too so we all have an actual rotation

It's definitely a go with what we have now. More would be nice, but I agree with Snakebites that 8 should probably be the max.