#3 pick

[Shamrock]

Just moving this to the appropriate thread.

One thing about Bender is that his measurements haven't been released since Eurocamp in June of 2015 when he was 17. He grew over a inch and a half from a year prior in 2014 at the adidas eurocamp. Good chance this dude has grown more since last June

FWIW in the beginning of this video, Dragan thinks he's grown since his last measurement of 6'11.5" without shoes. Says he think he's grown maybe another inch. I mean if this dude measures 7'2 with his skills that would be absolutely freaky.

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[165bows]

I don't think that is it all all. Lakers trade the second pick for George. Butler or Cousins all of a sudden they have a star player and now FA will start looking there which may not happen if they simply drafted Simmons or Ingram.

Celtics and Lakers trying to do the same thing, problem is LA has a better pick, more cap space and LA will always be a destination city.

Weird thing is a thread on the trade board I said I thought #2/Russell/Randle was an absolute no-brainer for George, and across the board Lakers fans thought it was a terrible idea and wouldn't do it.

Would we do Smart, No. 3, Brooklyn pick next year and Rozier/Mickey for George? How many here would absolutely whine about that?


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I do that, and I am about as stingy as possible on that 2017 pick. I also don't offer that for anybody else that has been discussed as remotely possibly as available. George is a top 8-9 player in the league for me, maybe a little higher depending.

[Ben-N1ce]

I don't think that is it all all. Lakers trade the second pick for George. Butler or Cousins all of a sudden they have a star player and now FA will start looking there which may not happen if they simply drafted Simmons or Ingram.

Celtics and Lakers trying to do the same thing, problem is LA has a better pick, more cap space and LA will always be a destination city.

Weird thing is a thread on the trade board I said I thought #2/Russell/Randle was an absolute no-brainer for George, and across the board Lakers fans thought it was a terrible idea and wouldn't do it.

Would we do Smart, No. 3, Brooklyn pick next year and Rozier/Mickey for George? How many here would absolutely whine about that?


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Danny would do that but George ain't on the block.

[jfs1000d]

Weird thing is a thread on the trade board I said I thought #2/Russell/Randle was an absolute no-brainer for George, and across the board Lakers fans thought it was a terrible idea and wouldn't do it.

Would we do Smart, No. 3, Brooklyn pick next year and Rozier/Mickey for George? How many here would absolutely whine about that?


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Danny would do that but George ain't on the block.

Danny does it. I would do it. But there are many people who would whine about it.


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[Celtic Esquire]

Edit: Also is there any reason to think PG is actually on the table? I don't get why he would be. A trade of this pick seems preferable...except for who it seems is actually available.

There have been no credible reports that George is on the trading block. The source of that rumor is Bill Simmons and I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Heck, Bill Simmons was on the radio this morning advocating a 3/16/23/31/35/Nets 2017 for #1 this year.

[jfs1000d]

Edit: Also is there any reason to think PG is actually on the table? I don't get why he would be. A trade of this pick seems preferable...except for who it seems is actually available.

There have been no credible reports that George is on the trading block. The source of that rumor is Bill Simmons and I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Heck, Bill Simmons was on the radio this morning advocating a 3/16/23/31/35/Nets 2017 for #1 this year.

U say no. Or does philly say no?


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[Pacino62]

Weird thing is a thread on the trade board I said I thought #2/Russell/Randle was an absolute no-brainer for George, and across the board Lakers fans thought it was a terrible idea and wouldn't do it.

Would we do Smart, No. 3, Brooklyn pick next year and Rozier/Mickey for George? How many here would absolutely whine about that?


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I do that, and I am about as stingy as possible on that 2017 pick. I also don't offer that for anybody else that has been discussed as remotely possibly as available. George is a top 8-9 player in the league for me, maybe a little higher depending.

I do that deal for George only. Top 5-6 player in the right situation IMO. I'd also do it for a handful of guys who aren't moving. However, not for butler, Boogie, Blake or the usual suspects.

[Celtic Esquire]

Edit: Also is there any reason to think PG is actually on the table? I don't get why he would be. A trade of this pick seems preferable...except for who it seems is actually available.

There have been no credible reports that George is on the trading block. The source of that rumor is Bill Simmons and I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Heck, Bill Simmons was on the radio this morning advocating a 3/16/23/31/35/Nets 2017 for #1 this year.

U say no. Or does philly say no?

I think Danny laughs at this trade, but Philly might consider it.

[jfs1000d]

There have been no credible reports that George is on the trading block. The source of that rumor is Bill Simmons and I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Heck, Bill Simmons was on the radio this morning advocating a 3/16/23/31/35/Nets 2017 for #1 this year.

U say no. Or does philly say no?

I think Danny laughs at this trade, but Philly might consider it.

Here's the thing. If the no. 1 pick is a franchise changer and the way to a title, then why not put all your chips in for No. 1? If no. 1 ain't worth it, then why all the tanking and whining?

I don't know where you come down, but the draft pick is either worth giving everything up for, or not. If you don't have that conviction, then you can't whine about not tanking.

I dont think Simmons is worth it. I thought Anthony Davis was worth it. So, depends on draft.


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[Bar Fight]

The 2017 Draft will be great. Danny needs to hold onto that pick unless he's getting a surefire star back.

[Slartibartfast]

There have been no credible reports that George is on the trading block. The source of that rumor is Bill Simmons and I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Heck, Bill Simmons was on the radio this morning advocating a 3/16/23/31/35/Nets 2017 for #1 this year.

U say no. Or does philly say no?

I think Danny laughs at this trade, but Philly might consider it.

I'd do that trade. Bird in the hand vs. 6 in the bush. Simmons (especially) and Ingram are both extremely desirable prospects.

[165bows]

The 2017 Draft will be great. Danny needs to hold onto that pick unless he's getting a surefire star back.

Agree in that even if it's not there is a chance it's great (same as every year).

So only want to give that pick up if a great (top 8-9 guy) player is available.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[ConstableGeneva]

Just trade the pick for Kawhi Leonard and call it a day. Spurs are done. They should start rebuild around Bender, Mickey, and maybe James Young.

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U say no. Or does philly say no?

I think Danny laughs at this trade, but Philly might consider it.

I'd do that trade. Bird in the hand vs. 6 in the bush. Simmons (especially) and Ingram are both extremely desirable prospects.

That just puts Philly in the situation of having absurdly many picks in the same draft.

[ConstableGeneva]

Silly exercise but I checked out guys with the most win shares per 48 minutes from the past 5 drafts (excluding the last one), minimum 20 minutes per game.

There are only three top 3-pick players among the top 20 on the list: Derrick Favors (3rd pick), Kyrie Irving (1st pick), and Anthony Davis (1st pick). Paul George (10th pick), Kawhi Leonard (15th pick), and Draymond Green (35th pick) are arguably current top 10 players in the league. There are several names in the top 20 that weren't even lottery picks. Being on a loser team likely hurts your standing here (hence it being a silly exercise).

I guess what I'm saying is HOW DO WE GET THE NEXT KAWHI LEONARD?

I was looking for the 5th 1st overall pick then remembered Anthony Bennett is no longer in the league lol.

[threrf23]

Silly exercise but I checked out guys with the most win shares per 48 minutes from the past 5 drafts (excluding the last one), minimum 20 minutes per game.

What's cool is that if you pull up sports-reference.com, you can run the same searches for collegiate seasons/careers. Although historical data is currently limited.

Min games played = 11, min. MPG = 20

Top undeclassmen since '10-11 in the Box Plus/Minus category (not sure how it is calculated) (Onuaku looks good here)

[GuyClinch]

If the Lakers want Bender we can throw in Sully or KO and swap picks.. If we aren't dealing with the Lakers directly we need to sit tight and see what they are going to do..

[GreenBloodedC]

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I got absolutely nothing from this

[SichtingLives]

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I got absolutely nothing from this

I thought it was pretty clear. We're either going to draft someone or trade the pick.