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Post#181 » by timLH » Sat May 21, 2016 3:08 am

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timLH wrote:Simmons, Saric and Okafor defense will be awwwwful. If we pick Simmons, I hope we trade Saric for a top-5 pick (Murray), or let him stay in Europe for one more year (mutually beneficial).


1.Saric isnt getting you a top 5 pick.
2.Please tell me how Saric staying overseas benefits the Sixers?

I think we are in a dilemma that we have to choose one to pair with Embiid. What if:
1. We trade Okafor and find Noel and Biid cant play together;
2. vice versa; and
3. Biid himself can't stay healthy.

If Saric stays in Europe for one more year, we have time to experiment. Play Biid at 5 and Noel/Okafor at 4. Then you decide who to trade next deadline or off season.

If you are high on Saric, you have been waiting for two seasons, why not wait for one more and let him finish his contract in Europe.
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Post#182 » by timLH » Sat May 21, 2016 3:18 am

Mik317 wrote:I like Murray too but it is a funny that you trade Saric because of his poor defense...for a guy with poor defense.

It is because I am a pure believer of Simmons. Pick him as the cornerstone of our team and build around him. To me, Saric's role is somehow redundant to Simmon's. Point forward with passing and great vision, able to rebound...
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Post#183 » by CoreyGallagher » Sat May 21, 2016 3:23 am

I don't believe it's redundant, when they would play together you'd the have two guys that can rebound and immediately push the break. What you're trying to do is catch the defense off guard, every second matters and when a big is attempting to find a Guard to give the ball to it can usually give defenses those valuable seconds to set back up.

I don't view Saric as a cornerstone, I still believe he should come off the bench, but I think they'd work when we'd want to pair them. Saric seems like he can shoot as well.
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Re: Bryan Colangelo recap from 97.5 interview 

Post#184 » by PhilasFinest » Sat May 21, 2016 3:30 am

timLH wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:
timLH wrote:Simmons, Saric and Okafor defense will be awwwwful. If we pick Simmons, I hope we trade Saric for a top-5 pick (Murray), or let him stay in Europe for one more year (mutually beneficial).


1.Saric isnt getting you a top 5 pick.
2.Please tell me how Saric staying overseas benefits the Sixers?

I think we are in a dilemma that we have to choose one to pair with Embiid. What if:
1. We trade Okafor and find Noel and Biid cant play together;
2. vice versa; and
3. Biid himself can't stay healthy.

If Saric stays in Europe for one more year, we have time to experiment. Play Biid at 5 and Noel/Okafor at 4. Then you decide who to trade next deadline or off season.

If you are high on Saric, you have been waiting for two seasons, why not wait for one more and let him finish his contract in Europe.


Saric can play some 3. Id much rather have him over here, working on his game under our control and adapting to the country/NBA game then oversea's.

I think 1 of Noel/Okafor is gone by the start of the season and possibly by draft night.
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Post#185 » by joyeuxnoel » Sat May 21, 2016 3:32 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:I don't believe it's redundant, when they would play together you'd the have two guys that can rebound and immediately push the break. What you're trying to do is catch the defense off guard, every second matters and when a big is finding a Guard it usually gives defenses those valuable seconds to set back up.

I don't view Saric as a cornerstone, I still believe he should come off the bench, but I think they'd work when we'd want to pair them. Saric seems like he can shoot as well.


saric to me is too good to come off the bench, we'll see how well his skills translate when he gets to the nba
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Re: Bryan Colangelo recap from 97.5 interview 

Post#186 » by PhilasFinest » Sat May 21, 2016 3:34 am

timLH wrote:
Mik317 wrote:I like Murray too but it is a funny that you trade Saric because of his poor defense...for a guy with poor defense.

It is because I am a pure believer of Simmons. Pick him as the cornerstone of our team and build around him. To me, Saric's role is somehow redundant to Simmon's. Point forward with passing and great vision, able to rebound...


Simmons and Saric could absolutely play together.

Saric is gritty, he runs the floor and go inside and put up and make shots from the perimeter as well. I fail to see how having more than 1 player on the floor capable of handling the ball and passing is redundant. If anything, its intriguing and potentially deadly.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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Re: Bryan Colangelo recap from 97.5 interview 

Post#187 » by Mike X » Sat May 21, 2016 3:37 am

PhillySixers22 wrote:Honestly the amount of hate for Simmons in this thread is baffling. A petulant child, a prima dona and a headcase? What are we basing this all on? Unless you know him personally these all sound like baseless claims. I've also noticed that in all this there isn't any dissecting of Ingams weaknesses and flaws. What exactly did Ingram do or accomplish that suddenly he'sa much better prospect?

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Most of it comes from a series of articles or tweets from renowned psychologist Jonathon Givony p.h.d.

Ive followed Ben since he was 15, so therefore Im aware of Givony' long held thoughts on him. Now going back to when Exum and Simmons were first starting to make waves Givony' opinion was that Exum was by far the better talent, a view not held by most in Australia. Which is fine, he's allowed that pov no matter how wrong.

It was pretty clear from early into Bens junior year at Montverde he was the number #1 in that class, from memory it took along time for DX to put him above Jaylen Brown as the #1 pick of 2015, and then he didnt hold it long. All it took was for Skal Labissiere to hit a few jumpers over Thon Maker at hoops summit to move him to the top spot and have Givony and Evan Daniels gushing over how apparent it is that Skal is easily the best prospect. Again, its an opinion to which one is justified, no matter how laughable in hindsight.

When the college season was a couple of months old and it was clear Skal was hopeless and Simmons was a stud a few NBA scouts commented on how ridiculous Skal was still #1 on mock-drafts i.e. DX as its the most popular or how he was even #1 in the first place. Givony had a bit of a melt-down on twitter and from that point on his articles on Simmons took a weird, and frankly, unprofessional turn.

Every bad decision or act was highlighted with a trace of smugness or satisfaction, while all the good stuff was overlooked. When it was clear LSU was doomed he started assasinating his character and even stating his Aussie team-mates didnt think much of him (denied by every-one). All this just becasue a 19 year-old had the temerity to prove him very wrong.

You can also throw in the fact he signed with klutch sports, while Givony is now a lackey of Woj, has made things even more interesting.

PS. There is a belief that Rich Paul is directing Simmons on what he will do. Bens sister works for Klutch and is married to former NFL running back Michael Bush, so theyll make sure Klutch do what is in Bens best interests.

Rant over lol.
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Post#188 » by 76ciology » Sat May 21, 2016 3:46 am

If BB drafts Simmons, I'm going to assume that all those attitude problems of Simmons that Givony and Carlesimo said are overblown. Because BB hs known Simmons for the longest time.
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Post#189 » by Mik317 » Sat May 21, 2016 5:41 am

It does seem like Givony has a little bit of something to prove with Simmons at times.
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Post#190 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat May 21, 2016 5:57 am

I would trust Brett Brown with Simmons, because he knows him better than anybody. Then again, you just gotta hope he doesn't let his closeness to the family blind him of any of his flaws. Plus, Brett Brown might not even be here past next season anyway, so if the Colangelos are the ones making the pick, then would they allow a guy who may not be here long-term be the deciding factor in drafting him, if it's a really close call?

Whatever, now I'm confused.
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Post#191 » by Sportfan73 » Sat May 21, 2016 6:00 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:I would trust Brett Brown with Simmons, because he knows him better than anybody. Then again, you just gotta hope he doesn't let his closeness to the family blind him of any of his flaws. Plus, Brett Brown might not even be here past next season anyway, so if the Colangelos are the ones making the pick, then would they allow a guy who may not be here long-term be the deciding factor in drafting him, if it's a really close call?

Whatever, now I'm confused.

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Post#192 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat May 21, 2016 6:47 am

We don't know that.
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Post#193 » by marcush » Sat May 21, 2016 7:03 am

More information is good. If Brown trusts him, that's a good thing but his talent as a basketball player will be the deciding factor.
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Bryan Colangelo recap from 97.5 interview 

Post#194 » by Ericb5 » Sat May 21, 2016 11:53 am

Mike X wrote:
PhillySixers22 wrote:Honestly the amount of hate for Simmons in this thread is baffling. A petulant child, a prima dona and a headcase? What are we basing this all on? Unless you know him personally these all sound like baseless claims. I've also noticed that in all this there isn't any dissecting of Ingams weaknesses and flaws. What exactly did Ingram do or accomplish that suddenly he'sa much better prospect?

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Most of it comes from a series of articles or tweets from renowned psychologist Jonathon Givony p.h.d.

Ive followed Ben since he was 15, so therefore Im aware of Givony' long held thoughts on him. Now going back to when Exum and Simmons were first starting to make waves Givony' opinion was that Exum was by far the better talent, a view not held by most in Australia. Which is fine, he's allowed that pov no matter how wrong.

It was pretty clear from early into Bens junior year at Montverde he was the number #1 in that class, from memory it took along time for DX to put him above Jaylen Brown as the #1 pick of 2015, and then he didnt hold it long. All it took was for Skal Labissiere to hit a few jumpers over Thon Maker at hoops summit to move him to the top spot and have Givony and Evan Daniels gushing over how apparent it is that Skal is easily the best prospect. Again, its an opinion to which one is justified, no matter how laughable in hindsight.

When the college season was a couple of months old and it was clear Skal was hopeless and Simmons was a stud a few NBA scouts commented on how ridiculous Skal was still #1 on mock-drafts i.e. DX as its the most popular or how he was even #1 in the first place. Givony had a bit of a melt-down on twitter and from that point on his articles on Simmons took a weird, and frankly, unprofessional turn.

Every bad decision or act was highlighted with a trace of smugness or satisfaction, while all the good stuff was overlooked. When it was clear LSU was doomed he started assasinating his character and even stating his Aussie team-mates didnt think much of him (denied by every-one). All this just becasue a 19 year-old had the temerity to prove him very wrong.

You can also throw in the fact he signed with klutch sports, while Givony is now a lackey of Woj, has made things even more interesting.

PS. There is a belief that Rich Paul is directing Simmons on what he will do. Bens sister works for Klutch and is married to former NFL running back Michael Bush, so theyll make sure Klutch do what is in Bens best interests.

Rant over lol.



Good post.

I knew that Givony wrote a lot of bad things about him, but i didn't know the history.

I love Givony's site, and trust his analysis usually, but I definitely disagree with him here.
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Post#195 » by freshie2 » Sat May 21, 2016 12:48 pm

Difficult to gauge some of the traits folks are commenting on when none of us will actually spend sufficient time with the individuals to gauge their 'character' or desire to win. The visits/interviews will be huge in this draft. It may come down to how much the analytics are valued over the eye test. If BC/BB want an all analytic team, Ingram is the choice. If they trust their basketball experience in evaluating a player, Simmons will be the choice. Neither are necessarily awful in the other aspect of assessment, but there is clearly a difference in Ingram's measurables, and in Simmons on the court presence/skill.

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