Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[Jkam31]

No way Phoenix is giving up 4 for Gay or to love back 4 spots.

It would be Gay/8 for Bledsoe/13 than we take Valentine.


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[City of Trees]

No way Phoenix is giving up 4 for Gay or to love back 4 spots.

It would be Gay/8 for Bledsoe/13 than we take Valentine.


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8 is a great spot for PHX if Bender is off the board at 4. Your idea is another good one. All depends on the Suns approach.

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[SacKingZZZ]

No way Phoenix is giving up 4 for Gay or to love back 4 spots.

It would be Gay/8 for Bledsoe/13 than we take Valentine.


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The Kings take on Bledsoe and Chandler in my version. That's a decent money dump right there.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm all for Gay/8 for 4/Bledsoe or Knight, if other filler needs to be involved I'd be ok with it. Speaking of the Suns, I'd love it if we could snag Teletovic as a cheaper Anderson if we don't get him, I'm sure Vlade and Peja could work some connections there.

Bledsoe or Knight won't be the filler in a Gay/ #8 trade to PHX for #4. Unless Kings add more value like WCS which won't happen.

I was thinking Tucker as well SacKingzzz. Your larger trade I'd stay away from.

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It's a huge risky deal but might be the only way they budge on the move back down the draft board, even though we all know what might not mean much in a draft like this anyway.

[Statlanta]

There has been this Hezonja/Vucevic/'11 pick of 2016 idea floating around the Magic board. Do you think Vlade would bite or consider? Gives you the Offensive piece with WCS, the potentially talented wing you've probably hoped for over Stauskas and Mclemore, and let's you develop with a pick to pair with your own this draft. I know he's on record for keeping Cousins and is most vehement on keeping him but that was last season.

[SacKingZZZ]

Value wise it's not terrible, but Cuz isn't being traded as he just recently said he isn't trading him this year for sure.

[Jkam31]

There has been this Hezonja/Vucevic/'11 pick of 2016 idea floating around the Magic board. Do you think Vlade would bite or consider? Gives you the Offensive piece with WCS, the potentially talented wing you've probably hoped for over Stauskas and Mclemore, and let's you develop with a pick to pair with your own this draft. I know he's on record for keeping Cousins and is most vehement on keeping him but that was last season.

Who is it for? Not Cousins cause he's unavailable unless LA offers
Russell/Ingram and Randle

Also no disrespect but there's absolutely no way in hell I'm trading cousins to Orlando and Goordon isn't involved. No way no how


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[Statlanta]

There has been this Hezonja/Vucevic/'11 pick of 2016 idea floating around the Magic board. Do you think Vlade would bite or consider? Gives you the Offensive piece with WCS, the potentially talented wing you've probably hoped for over Stauskas and Mclemore, and let's you develop with a pick to pair with your own this draft. I know he's on record for keeping Cousins and is most vehement on keeping him but that was last season.

Who is it for? Not Cousins cause he's unavailable unless LA offers
Russell/Ingram and Randle

Also no disrespect but there's absolutely no way in hell I'm trading cousins to Orlando and Gordon isn't involved. No way no how


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None taken just checking the pulse of the Sac-town board on Cousins and pieces. Got a real star in your hands

[Jkam31]

There has been this Hezonja/Vucevic/'11 pick of 2016 idea floating around the Magic board. Do you think Vlade would bite or consider? Gives you the Offensive piece with WCS, the potentially talented wing you've probably hoped for over Stauskas and Mclemore, and let's you develop with a pick to pair with your own this draft. I know he's on record for keeping Cousins and is most vehement on keeping him but that was last season.

Who is it for? Not Cousins cause he's unavailable unless LA offers
Russell/Ingram and Randle

Also no disrespect but there's absolutely no way in hell I'm trading cousins to Orlando and Gordon isn't involved. No way no how


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None taken just checking the pulse of the Sac-town board on Cousins and pieces. Got a real star in your hands

I think Vlade knows that's probably why DMC won't be traded till next off season if things do go bad. Have to give him a chance with a real coach


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[rpa]

Value wise it's not terrible, but Cuz isn't being traded as he just recently said he isn't trading him this year for sure.

Disagree. I think the value is pretty awful.

Herzonja looked average (at best); the #11 (in this draft) is a sweetener; and Vucevic, well, I'm of the opinion that he's the exact opposite of the kind of big you want. He's a poor defender, doesn't stretch the floor, and doesn't get to the line at even a below average clip for his position (just over 2 free throw attempts PER36). I mean, he's basically Al Jefferson: high percentage/low turnover scorer who doesn't get to the line, plays poor defense, doesn't stretch the D, and rebounds the ball well. In fact, I've seen more than a few Magic fans mention that Vogel may end up bringing him off the bench (mostly due to defense).

It's the same reason that I roll my eyes at the trades on the trade board where the centerpiece of a Cousins trade is Okafor.

It's not unreasonable to say that the offer amounts to 3 bench players.

[Nyce_1]

hey guys, just want to gauge your pulse on possibly moving back to #11? Assuming the top guards are off the board, could the Magic entice you with Ilyasova (stetch PF) #11, 2nd rounder for #8? at 11, you can pick Valentine. Unless you're happy with spending big money on Anderson, then this makes no sense, but at least you'll have Sova for sure, and he'll be cheaper this year and allows you the chance to re-sign him next summer using bird rights.

[rpa]

hey guys, just want to gauge your pulse on possibly moving back to #11? Assuming the top guards are off the board, could the Magic entice you with Ilyasova (stetch PF) #11 for #8? at 11, you can pick Valentine. Unless you're happy with spending big money on Anderson, then this makes no sense, but at least you'll have Sova for sure, and he'll be cheaper this year and allows you the chance to re-sign him next summer using bird rights.

At $8m it's hard to argue that he even has positive value. He'd also be eating that amount in cap space (which further limits what the Kings could do in free agency) and, to top it off, would be the team's 4th best big man to start the offseason and could become 5th best if the Kings make a move for Anderson (which, ironically, this trade would make far more difficult).

Furthermore, the Magic traded up from 12=>10 just 2 years ago and it cost them a future 2nd (in the next draft) and a future 1st (in a draft 3 years from the time of the trade). This offer pales in comparison to that one.

[Kings2013]

hey guys, just want to gauge your pulse on possibly moving back to #11? Assuming the top guards are off the board, could the Magic entice you with Ilyasova (stetch PF) #11 for #8? at 11, you can pick Valentine. Unless you're happy with spending big money on Anderson, then this makes no sense, but at least you'll have Sova for sure, and he'll be cheaper this year and allows you the chance to re-sign him next summer using bird rights.

Let me guess, you want Poetl ahead of Vuc?

[Nyce_1]

hey guys, just want to gauge your pulse on possibly moving back to #11? Assuming the top guards are off the board, could the Magic entice you with Ilyasova (stetch PF) #11 for #8? at 11, you can pick Valentine. Unless you're happy with spending big money on Anderson, then this makes no sense, but at least you'll have Sova for sure, and he'll be cheaper this year and allows you the chance to re-sign him next summer using bird rights.

At $8m it's hard to argue that he even has positive value. He'd also be eating that amount in cap space (which further limits what the Kings could do in free agency) and, to top it off, would be the team's 4th best big man to start the offseason and could become 5th best if the Kings make a move for Anderson (which, ironically, this trade would make far more difficult).

Furthermore, the Magic traded up from 12=>10 just 2 years ago and it cost them a future 2nd (in the next draft) and a future 1st (in a draft 3 years from the time of the trade). This offer pales in comparison to that one.

If Anderson is your target, then this trade makes no sense for you guys. Though, you will have to compete against other teams trying to sign him and risk not getting him at all. This route, you know you at least get a competent stretch 4 with bird-rights to re-sign next summer (if you want).

As for the the 2014 draft. Philly snooped us out and picked Payton with the sole purpose of extorting the return of their 1st rounder from the Dwight trade. Our GM felt it was worth it to give them back the pick that would've likely turned to 2nds. That draft was also stronger than this one. I don't think Orlando would give up a future 1st to move 2 spots in this draft (depends on the draft board).

What would your asking price be? Would throwing in a 2nd (this draft, OR a future one) make the offer better?

[Nyce_1]

hey guys, just want to gauge your pulse on possibly moving back to #11? Assuming the top guards are off the board, could the Magic entice you with Ilyasova (stetch PF) #11 for #8? at 11, you can pick Valentine. Unless you're happy with spending big money on Anderson, then this makes no sense, but at least you'll have Sova for sure, and he'll be cheaper this year and allows you the chance to re-sign him next summer using bird rights.

Let me guess, you want Poetl ahead of Vuc?

No; want either Davis or Chriss, but I think Tor and Mil are capable of selecting one, or both, before #11.

[City of Trees]

hey guys, just want to gauge your pulse on possibly moving back to #11? Assuming the top guards are off the board, could the Magic entice you with Ilyasova (stetch PF) #11 for #8? at 11, you can pick Valentine. Unless you're happy with spending big money on Anderson, then this makes no sense, but at least you'll have Sova for sure, and he'll be cheaper this year and allows you the chance to re-sign him next summer using bird rights.

I'd rather pay Anderson... open to moving back but not for Ilyasova

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[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, Ilyasova would be a strike out on the first move onto the 2nd option type. He's not the difference in moving back in the draft unless the Kings can dump some salary back on Orlando.

[KF10]

Don't like downgrading the pick if the consolation prize is Ilyasova. Ilyasova is a rental and will be UFA after the 16-17 season. He has zero value. A second rounder doesn't bridge the gap in value from #11 to #8.

No deal.

[teerfour+40LG]

I'd rather have Ryno than Ilyasova regardless of price.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Barnes + Bogut + Conditional 1st Round Pick for Cousins?