2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Worm Guts]

So Dunn a 6'4 who is at best a mediocre shooter, a bellow 70% FT shooter and who lacks defensive discipline is now the candidate to be Wolves starting SG? If you add than he is 22 and was playing mostly against 18-19y old players then you understand that even his current mediocre numbers are highly inflated.
Wolves fans never stop to amaze me.
A mediocre PG in a year that has zero quality PGs is MIN's solution for the SG position. FACEPALM!!!!

There's probably zero players in this draft where you couldn't site some fault, then act like it's outrageous to draft him.

This is a very weak draft. Everybody is saying it.
Outside of Simmons and Ingram, everybody else is projected to be a role player.
The outrageous thing is that you consider one of these players who has inflated numbers due to his age difference to be your starting SG. On top of that the guy is not even a SG. He doesn't have the height nor the shooting skills to play SG.
If you want to trade Rubio, yes pick Dunn and pray he can someday become a better player than Rubio. If not, Dunn makes zero sense.

Who else are you going to consider? He's as big as the 2 other SG's being considered at the spot and a better defender and better at attacking the basket. I don't think it's outrageous.
Maybe you could draft a big but they are generally projected lower. I don't really care as long as we draft the best player but Dunn is typically projected in the top 6.

[Saltine]

There's probably zero players in this draft where you couldn't site some fault, then act like it's outrageous to draft him.

This is a very weak draft. Everybody is saying it.
Outside of Simmons and Ingram, everybody else is projected to be a role player.
The outrageous thing is that you consider one of these players who has inflated numbers due to his age difference to be your starting SG. On top of that the guy is not even a SG. He doesn't have the height nor the shooting skills to play SG.
If you want to trade Rubio, yes pick Dunn and pray he can someday become a better player than Rubio. If not, Dunn makes zero sense.

If you dont think dunn has the physical measurements to play sg, then neither does lavine.

Dunn is 6 "4, but has similar reach and a longer wingspan. Yes, he isnt the greatest shooter right now, but his shot isnt broken. He is a "do stuff" kind of guy; this team can use more of that.

Id prefer to trade out, but wouldnt be upset with dunn.

Zach Lavine is 6'4.5"
Dunn is 6'3"
Facts, get to know em.

Zach has proven himself in the NBA, and he can shoot, with excellent form. He also is younger, and doesn't have a major injury history

What about Denzel Valentine, he's got much nicer numbers, and is a SG.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Denzel-Valentine-58739/
or Furkan, whose 6'8" and awesome? yet only 18 years old.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Furkan-Korkmaz-73273/

[Crazy-Canuck]

This is a very weak draft. Everybody is saying it.
Outside of Simmons and Ingram, everybody else is projected to be a role player.
The outrageous thing is that you consider one of these players who has inflated numbers due to his age difference to be your starting SG. On top of that the guy is not even a SG. He doesn't have the height nor the shooting skills to play SG.
If you want to trade Rubio, yes pick Dunn and pray he can someday become a better player than Rubio. If not, Dunn makes zero sense.

If you dont think dunn has the physical measurements to play sg, then neither does lavine.

Dunn is 6 "4, but has similar reach and a longer wingspan. Yes, he isnt the greatest shooter right now, but his shot isnt broken. He is a "do stuff" kind of guy; this team can use more of that.

Id prefer to trade out, but wouldnt be upset with dunn.

Zach Lavine is 6'4.5"
Dunn is 6'3"
Facts, get to know em.

Mistyped the height. I know zach is taller, but dunn has him beat in wingspan by more than an inch when zach is 1.5 inch taller.

Zach is basically a trex. That was my point.

[Saltine]

If you dont think dunn has the physical measurements to play sg, then neither does lavine.

Dunn is 6 "4, but has similar reach and a longer wingspan. Yes, he isnt the greatest shooter right now, but his shot isnt broken. He is a "do stuff" kind of guy; this team can use more of that.

Id prefer to trade out, but wouldnt be upset with dunn.

Zach Lavine is 6'4.5"
Dunn is 6'3"
Facts, get to know em.

Mistyped the height. I know zach is taller, but dunn has him beat in wingspan by more than an inch when zach is 1.5 inch taller.

Zach is basically a trex. That was my point.

Zach is a proven Trex

[Feilong]

Seriously you can't compare a freak athlete like Zach to Dunn.
On top of that Zach has 2 full years of NBA experience playing ton of minutes and he is still a bad defender. Imagine how lost will Dunn look. If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

Edit: In my opinion there are 3 options.
a) If you want someone who has a good chance to make an impact immediately, pick Hield who is 22y and who can help with his shooting.
b) If you want to develop someone then pick Murray or Bender who are 18y.
c) If no one excites you, trade the pick. There are a lot of options here.

[Murphs56]

Seriously you can't compare a freak athlete like Zach to Dunn.
On top of that Zach has 2 full years of NBA experience playing ton of minutes and he is still a bad defender. Imagine how lost will Dunn look. If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

One of Dunn's biggest projected strengths at the NBA level is his potential as a shutdown defender. Don't know why you're saying that.

[Klomp]

If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

He's an inch taller than Smart

[Worm Guts]

Seriously you can't compare a freak athlete like Zach to Dunn.
On top of that Zach has 2 full years of NBA experience playing ton of minutes and he is still a bad defender. Imagine how lost will Dunn look. If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

Edit: In my opinion there are 3 options.
a) If you want someone who has a good chance to make an impact immediately, pick Hield who is 22y and who can help with his shooting.
b) If you want to develop someone then pick Murray or Bender who are 18y.
c) If no one excites you, trade the pick. There are a lot of options here.

I'm fine with drafting Hield or Murray, but it's silly to complain about Dunn's size if you are. It's also kind of silly to complain about Dunn's age if you want to draft Hield.

[Feilong]

Seriously you can't compare a freak athlete like Zach to Dunn.
On top of that Zach has 2 full years of NBA experience playing ton of minutes and he is still a bad defender. Imagine how lost will Dunn look. If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

One of Dunn's biggest projected strengths at the NBA level is his potential as a shutdown defender. Don't know why you're saying that.

He wasn't a shutdown defender in college when he was guarding shorter/younger PGs, you expect him to become a shutdown defender when he will guard taller/stronger SGs?
Yes he has the potential to become a good defender in the NBA someday (maybe in 2-3 years) but the projections you are talking, are about guarding PGs, not SGs. There is a difference.

[Feilong]

Seriously you can't compare a freak athlete like Zach to Dunn.
On top of that Zach has 2 full years of NBA experience playing ton of minutes and he is still a bad defender. Imagine how lost will Dunn look. If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

Edit: In my opinion there are 3 options.
a) If you want someone who has a good chance to make an impact immediately, pick Hield who is 22y and who can help with his shooting.
b) If you want to develop someone then pick Murray or Bender who are 18y.
c) If no one excites you, trade the pick. There are a lot of options here.

I'm fine with drafting Hield or Murray, but it's silly to complain about Dunn's size if you are. It's also kind of silly to complain about Dunn's age if you want to draft Hield.

Hield will get destroyed on defense (same as Dunn) but at least we know Hield is a lights out shooter. All we can hope is they become better defenders in 1-2 years.
And i am not complaining about his age. All i am saying is that Dunn's numbers (same as Hield's) are inflated because they played against much younger opponents.
No one is saying Hield (25ppg 29.6 PER) is a must pick, so how come Dunn (16.4ppg 23.5 PER) gives you confidence he can become a starter in his 1st season and on top of that playing out of position is something i simply don't understand.

[vagelis]

Dunn is good in all aspects. He is not extraordinary in something but he is very balanced and above average in many aspects.
I don't understand why to play him out of position as a sg. He can play some minutes as sg but he is a pg.
He can play together with Lavine.
His main asset is that he has the direction change ability and because of that he is a slasher. He can go to the basket with his dribbling ability and can pass or score.
I think we need a guy like that, who has the ability to destroy the opponent's defense. Lavine is an athletic freak but he has not the direction change ability of Kris Dunn. He runs with tremendous speed but mainly in one direction. But Lavine is a very good shooter, he has a lot of assets.

I think they could combine good together.

I also like Jaylen Brown for the same reasons, although he plays in a different position.
Brown is also a two way player like Dunn. he is also a slasher and a very good athlete.
And they are both talented basketball players. The only disadvantage is shooting but they are not bad shooters. They can improve in that aspect.
Lebron James was a bad shooter when he came in nba. And now he is above average.

Comparing Kris Dunn and Jaylen Brown, Jaylen Brown is 3 years younger and has more potential to become something very special.
Kris Dunn fits better to the need of a scoring play maker that we currently don't have.

[moss_is_1]

LeBron is still a pretty mediocre shooter. He's just nearly unstoppable attacking the basket.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Wolves need a disciplined PG who can get the ball to Towns and stay the fck away, if Towns is covered get the ball to Wiggins and do the same. Dunn is not what we need, he plays too much hero ball, his game will keep away the ball from our best players who are much better than him. And let's wait till he hits the league before we proclaim him a good defender. Wiggins was also considered a good defender, but there's much more to defense than athleticism and wingspan.

[Worm Guts]

Dunn is good in all aspects. He is not extraordinary in something but he is very balanced and above average in many aspects.
I don't understand why to play him out of position as a sg. He can play some minutes as sg but he is a pg.
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If he only plays PG, he has to be better than Rubio, which he probably isn't. The ability to play both positions would allow him to play with Lavine and Rubio, which would be big.

[sky4it]

a) If you want someone who has a good chance to make an impact immediately, pick Hield who is 22y and who can help with his shooting.

Agreed. Buddy has got that long wingspan, I believe, which should help him improve defensively. Has a great work ethic, which means he should be a Thibs type of guy.

Its possible the Celtics grab him but if they dont, he should be there at number 5.

As far as Dunn goes, Dunn has a 1.78 Assist to turnover ratio, which is pretty stinky. Tyus Jones 3.27. Jones gives you much better ball security. I dont see Dunn as an upgrade immediately. We have waited to damn long in Minnesota, I just dont watch yet another rookie making the same old mistakes.

[Tukkerwolf]

With the amount of talent already present I think the FO should look at mentality more than ever. Find the guy that fits in the group; work hard, be prepared to be no 3 option on the team, etc...

[Krapinsky]

Scoring isn't an issue for Dunn. He averaged 16 ppg and had a higher PER than Murray, Brown and Ingram.

At age 21/22, Dunn had a 23.3 PER on a 28% usage rate. Dunn also had a 54.1 TS%.
At age 18/19, Murray had a 22.7 PER on a 27.% usage rate. Murray also had 59.0 TS%.
At age 18, Ingram had a 22.5 PER on a 25.6% usage rate. Ingram also has 55.2 TS%.


But let's compare Dunn with the similarly aged point guards that were picked last year:

At age 21/22, Dunn had a 23.3 PER on a 28% usage rate. Dunn also had a 54.1 TS%.
At age 20, Cameron Payne had a 30.1 PER on a 31.5% usage rate. Payne also had a 57.3 TS%. (Pick #14)
At age 22/23, Delon Wright had a 29.2 PER on a 22.8% usage rate. Wright also had a 61.9 TS%. (Pick #20)
At age 22, Jerian Grant had a 25.5 PER on a 25.5% usage rate. Grant also had a 59.2 TS%. (Pick #19)

Last year, Dunn was mocked to be taken #13, where Payne ended up being taken. See DX history: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kris-Dunn-6440/mock-draft-history/

[Murphs56]

Seriously you can't compare a freak athlete like Zach to Dunn.
On top of that Zach has 2 full years of NBA experience playing ton of minutes and he is still a bad defender. Imagine how lost will Dunn look. If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

One of Dunn's biggest projected strengths at the NBA level is his potential as a shutdown defender. Don't know why you're saying that.

He wasn't a shutdown defender in college when he was guarding shorter/younger PGs, you expect him to become a shutdown defender when he will guard taller/stronger SGs?
Yes he has the potential to become a good defender in the NBA someday (maybe in 2-3 years) but the projections you are talking, are about guarding PGs, not SGs. There is a difference.

I'm talking about him as the wolves point guard. I have no delusions of him playing the 2. I don't think thibs drafts him with that intent


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[Murphs56]

Tension from where?

Rubio being worried about his status with the team.

Why would there be tension if they are starting in the backcourt together?

If anyone is going to be irked, its going to be jones. Even if dunn starts at sg, lavine will still get 30 minutes a game. We'll even see some dunne/lavine backcourt starting games when rubio needs a breather or his hurting.

They won't be, thibs isn't drafting Dunn to be a 2


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[Worm Guts]

Well, I think he would be drafted as a combo guard with decisions being made from there. If Rubio and Dunn are both on the team, there's no doubt they are going to share the court at times.