Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

phiphan · Post #1081 » by **phiphan** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:03 am

76ciology wrote:
phiphan wrote:
76ciology wrote:LBJ shoots 35% from his sweet spot. 45% at the mid range below it.

43.9%, actually. Care to guess what Simmons is shooting in that same spot? 43%...

33% actually and with low volume.

You're likely looking at a shot chart from December. This is from the recent Ingram SI piece:

phiphan · Post #1082 » by **phiphan** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:05 am

Interestingly, Ingram is not that much better than Simmons as far as mid-range is concerned.

76ciology · Post #1083 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:09 am

phiphan wrote:Interestingly, Ingram is not that much better than Simmons as far as mid-range is concerned.

Yes, he still a much better mid range shooter aside from that tied 42% mid range spot.

Unguardable at the upper left side. You sag off, he'll shoot 53% from that 3. stay close and you risk shooting 42% mid range and 60% at the rim. On top of that he's got 9'2" reach and has the skillset to drive into the paint.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1084 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:14 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Seriously. Can anyone tell me if they think Laker fans would be divided on choosing between Simmons and Ingram? Even Boston fans? This is why Sixers fans can't have anything nice. Smh. Some of you just want to hand a potential future MVP to the Lakers on a silver platter. You just want to hand a superstar to the Lakers. This is why the Lakers are always good. Some dumb team will mess up and just let a star waltz right to them. Smh.

Lakers fans are divided. They are debating it right now on their board, and while the majority there want Simmons as well, many want Ingram.

Mik317 · Post #1085 » by **Mik317** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:14 am

what if Ingram's shot doesn't translate? Russell for example took awhile, that started the bust talk.

Now imagine that here while Simmons is putting up $tat$ in LA.

That is my biggest fear.

Arsenal · Post #1086 » by **Arsenal** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:18 am

This debate is moot. We are taking

BEN SIMMONS

Once he improves his jump shot the guy is a legit superstar with top 3 in the NBA potential. Besides shooting (yet), there's nothing else he can't do on the court.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1087 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:21 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Seriously. Can anyone tell me if they think Laker fans would be divided on choosing between Simmons and Ingram? Even Boston fans? This is why Sixers fans can't have anything nice. Smh. Some of you just want to hand a potential future MVP to the Lakers on a silver platter. You just want to hand a superstar to the Lakers. This is why the Lakers are always good. Some dumb team will mess up and just let a star waltz right to them. Smh.

Lakers fans are divided. They are debating it right now on their board, and while the majority there want Simmons as well, many want Ingram.

They have the second pick. Some are just trying to talk their way into preferring Ingram over Simmons. If they had the top pick there would be no debate. Just about everyone would be all in on Simmons. Charlotte let Kobe go to the Lakers and some fans just want the Sixers to do the same thing for Simmons. Sad. Embarrassing.

phiphan · Post #1088 » by **phiphan** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:22 am

76ciology wrote:Yes, he still a much better mid range shooter aside from that tied 42% mid range spot.

Simmons 33% on mid-range jumpers this season, Ingram 37.6%. Anyway, I'm also done. You only see what you want to see.

http://hoop-math.com/Duke2016.php
http://hoop-math.com/LSU2016.php

76ciology · Post #1089 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 4:50 am

phiphan wrote:
76ciology wrote:Yes, he still a much better mid range shooter aside from that tied 42% mid range spot.

Simmons 33% on mid-range jumpers this season, Ingram 37.6%. Anyway, I'm also done. You only see what you want to see.

http://hoop-math.com/Duke2016.php
http://hoop-math.com/LSU2016.php

44% of BS shots are 2pt Js at 33FG%, that ain't bad.
40% of Ingram's shots are 3pt at 41FG%

ChokeFasncists · Post #1090 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sun May 22, 2016 5:07 am

Anyone has Simmon's HS senior stat vs LeBron's? (or scouting report)

sam-hinkie · Post #1091 » by **sam-hinkie** » Sun May 22, 2016 5:43 am

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76ciology · Post #1092 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 8:30 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:Anyone has Simmon's HS senior stat vs LeBron's? (or scouting report)

FWIW.

Lebron shot 38% on 3s in HS on 157 attempts. 68% from FT line.
Simmons shot 29% on 3s in HS on 51 attempts. 68% from FT line.
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/ben-simmons/x5R1fvTqEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm
Ingram shot 38% from 3s in HS on 139 attempts. 77% from FT line
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/brandon-ingram/VeYTZ_TqEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm

76ciology · Post #1093 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 9:27 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZTj8bQjrs[/youtube]
How can you watch this youtube and still think this kid is not special.

He protect the rim, run the break, shoot at halfcourt, post up, can attack off the dribble at halfcourt or at transition. He's just 18. There's no doubt in my mind that he can translate his game in the NBA.

Nobody can match-up with his size except for KD. He's impossible to defend at the left side of the floor. Shoots 53% from 3s, 42% from 2s and can dunk over people with his 9'2" reach and 40" vertical.

If you discount the first month of his college season, which seems like a transition month, he shot 43% from 3s.

76ciology · Post #1094 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 9:39 am

How good is another matter, a variable that often hinges on who he plays for and who is around him. His growth overall as a shooter will be the single biggest indicator of how special he becomes.

<= David Thorpe

eyeatoma · Post #1095 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun May 22, 2016 9:45 am

76ciology wrote:
How good is another matter, a variable that often hinges on who he plays for and who is around him. His growth overall as a shooter will be the single biggest indicator of how special he becomes.
<= David Thorpe

You might want to show the rest of that article... Context is key...

eyeatoma · Post #1096 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun May 22, 2016 9:46 am

76ciology wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZTj8bQjrs[/youtube]
How can you watch this youtube and still think this kid is not special.

He protect the rim, run the break, shoot at halfcourt, post up, can attack off the dribble at halfcourt or at transition. He's just 18. There's no doubt in my mind that he can translate his game in the NBA.

Nobody can match-up with his size except for KD. He's impossible to defend at the left side of the floor. Shoots 53% from 3s, 42% from 2s and can dunk over people with his 9'2" reach and 40" vertical.

If you discount the first month of his college season, which seems like a transition month, he shot 43% from 3s.

He has a 40 inch vertical????????? Where did you see that?

76ciology · Post #1097 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 10:34 am

eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZTj8bQjrs[/youtube]
How can you watch this youtube and still think this kid is not special.

He protect the rim, run the break, shoot at halfcourt, post up, can attack off the dribble at halfcourt or at transition. He's just 18. There's no doubt in my mind that he can translate his game in the NBA.

Nobody can match-up with his size except for KD. He's impossible to defend at the left side of the floor. Shoots 53% from 3s, 42% from 2s and can dunk over people with his 9'2" reach and 40" vertical.

If you discount the first month of his college season, which seems like a transition month, he shot 43% from 3s.

He has a 40 inch vertical????????? Where did you see that?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/07/incoming-duke-freshman-has-an-absolutely-insane-vertical-leap

13 ft minus 9'2" reach. That's more than 40" actually.

76ciology · Post #1098 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 10:35 am

eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote:
How good is another matter, a variable that often hinges on who he plays for and who is around him. His growth overall as a shooter will be the single biggest indicator of how special he becomes.
<= David Thorpe

You might want to show the rest of that article... Context is key...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Coach15602825/ben-simmons-nba-ceiling

eyeatoma · Post #1099 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun May 22, 2016 11:59 am

76ciology wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote: <= David Thorpe

You might want to show the rest of that article... Context is key...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Coach15602825/ben-simmons-nba-ceiling

As I said, context is key... This is an absolutely pro Simmons article that was posted on our board a couple of days ago, that says he could also be a DPOY... Yet you take one snippet out of the article to validate your argument about his shooting...

76ciology · Post #1100 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 22, 2016 12:07 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
You might want to show the rest of that article... Context is key...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Coach15602825/ben-simmons-nba-ceiling

As I said, context is key... This is an absolutely pro Simmons article that was posted on our board a couple of days ago, that says he could also be a DPOY... Yet you take one snippet out of the article to validate your argument about his shooting...

..which I acknowledged in my earlier post than that.

I was more pointing out on Thorpe's opinion that how special Simmons will be depends on his shooting. Which I think should be the biggest determining factor, since it's the trait that holds the highest value on offense. While we know both guys aren't slouches on defense.

It's something that gets overlooked IMO, with all the potential DPOY talk in the article.